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Church Attack Was According to the Shariah: TTP

Dude, you must be kidding me. Haven't you ever seen it?

It's bound by such treacherous terrain:

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Hey buddy it's lack of will, man if determined enough can hunt the lion in it's den itself. US doesn't have to stay here hence they are not commiting themselves but Pakistan can't change it's geography , they lack will and don't want to loose their assets to control their background ie Afghanistan.
 
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They exist very much in Pakistan. And at least I don't rejoice on any crime committed against them. I am very different from you guys. :)

Don't pretend to be so self righteous. I remember you saying that Pakistani hindus should be thrown in the sea. (Yes you said that, and I don't have time to search it up.) It was on a thread about Pakistani hindus requesting asylum in India. I asked you a few times if that is what you really meant, and you confirmed it.

Dude, you must be kidding me. Haven't you ever seen it?

It's bound by such treacherous terrain:

No I haven't seen it, which is why I'm asking you. Anyway, shouldn't the treacherous terrain apply to both sides, why just to the state? In fact shouldn't it assist the state more than the insurgents, because the PA has helicopters at its disposal, but the insurgents don't? Doesn't that make maneuver easier?
 
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This should be printed and pasted in every wall on these places.... 2 advantage..... 1) The brainwashed guys brains can be formatted and re installed.... 2) People outside islam get educated and understand the actually what prophet said and wanted...

This literature is only for Shias, Sunnies goes by many Hadiaths too.
 
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Go read it first before shooting in dark.

I havent read that and i admit it.... But then if you have read that or have an info on this subject, I would love to see that... I can educate myself...
 
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"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

Imran khan and PTI, and all those who defend them, tell me one more time how these people are just reacting to drone strikes. How they are still muslims, how are they still allowed to pollute my beloved Pakistan?

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The TTP Sharia is not based on Islam. However, it is a core element of the Salafi doctrine. The TTP thugs are directly influenced by AQ and their Salafi benefactors in Saudi. The goal of the TTP is to carve out a Salafi emirate covering Fata and some of the settled areas such as Swat. Ths is why they are always talking about dismantling the constitution and the democratic system.

The Salafi doctrine is in direct conflict with the real teachings of Islam and it prophet, while promoting so called 'Sharia' concocted over the last 200 years by its founder.

The cleric mentioned below is from the As Shiekh tribe, the original followers of Abdul Wahhab - the founder of the Wahhabi/Salafi sect to which the TTP and its affliates subscribe today.


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In late April of this year, the Wahhabi grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdul Aziz Ibn Abdullah Aal Ash-Sheikh, who controls all Sunni Muslim clerics in the desert kingdom, announced that girls could be forced into marriage at age 10 or 12, without their consent, by contractual arrangement between families.

The Saudi chief cleric then proceeded to conflict with repeated promises of the Saudi King, Abdullah, to foster interfaith respect and dialogue, by calling, in mid-March, for the destruction of all Christian churches in the Arabian Peninsula. Responding to a query in Kuwait by Muslim clerics affiliated with the "Revival of Islamic Heritage Society," favorable to Wahhabism, Aal Ash-Sheikh based his argument on a weakly-transmitted hadith, or oral commentary on the life of Muhammad, in which the Prophet allegedly mandated that there should not be "two religions" in Arabia.

"How could the grand mufti issue a fatwa of such importance behind the back of his king? We see a contradiction between the dialogue being practiced, the efforts of the king and those of his top mufti," said leaders of the Catholic Bishops' Conference in Vienna, where, with the cooperation of Austria and Spain, Saudi foreign minister Saud al-Faisal had inaugurated the "King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz International Centre for Interreligious and Intercultural Dialogue" in 2011.


Aal Ash-Sheikh owes his position to his lineal descent from the 18th century religious ideologue, Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab, after whom the ultra-fundamentalist, ultra-exclusivist Wahhabi sect – the official and sole recognized Islamic interpretation in Saudi Arabia – is named. The family of Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab has, for generations, intermarried with the royal Al-Saud clan. Along with their claims to a "pure Islam" imitative of the Prophet Muhammad, Wahhabis are known for their violent hatred of spiritual Sufism, of Shia Muslims, and for their hostility to non-Muslims. It must be emphasized that Wahhabi shariah is new, representing a break with traditional Muslim jurisprudence and a radical innovation in Islamic law.

In Muslim lands and Muslim minority communities around the world, radical Islamist tendencies following, or imitating, Wahhabism have gained new energy in the aftermath of the faded "Arab Spring." As the pro-democracy mobilizations in Arab lands have resulted instead in victories for the radical Muslim Brotherhood in Tunisia, Morocco, and Egypt, and with the increasing prominence of radical Salafi groups in Syria, Libya and Yemen, Islamist victories have coincided with a new offensive by inspirers of the Taliban and TTP, and allied with the Saudi Wahhabis/Salafis.

In Nigeria, a similarly extremist, Wahhabi-oriented group, the "Boko Haram" [literally, "Western Education is a Sin"] has spread terror, especially targeting Christians, across the Muslim north.
 
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Are they telling the truth? Any shariah expert?

In Islam, it is prohibited to call other religions by bad names or anything like that
Then obviously killing christians, hindus, etc is far from shariah

These so called holy warriors make up their own shariah, whatever laws/rules suits their needs, they call that shariah.
I'm sure they don't even know the proper meaning of Quran
 
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In Nigeria, a similarly extremist, Wahhabi-oriented group, the "Boko Haram" [literally, "Western Education is a Sin"] has spread terror, especially targeting Christians, across the Muslim north.

Boko haram is growing into an influential group, unfortunately. Just check out their most recent activity, where they laid carnage to a university hostel. It is enough to make anybody's blood curdle. Anyway, I don't think it is appropriate to compare them to the ideologies that pak is facing today. They are both very different. (Both are odious and revolting, no doubt, but the similarity ends there.)

To make a larger point, one of the reasons that the world is facing so many pernicious ideologies for so long is precisely because of the attitude of the thread title. What I am trying to explain is the euthyphro dilemma. The question people should ask themselves is whether an action is moral or immoral, and then ask whether their religious texts which advocate it are right or wrong. Not first ask whether it is in accordance with their religious texts, and therefore right or wrong.

Many Pakistanis here miss the point when they try to argue that the actions of the TTP are unislamic, and therefore wrong. The right approach would be the exact opposite.

Euthyphro dilemma: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?"
 
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This is very inhuman on part of TTP, US help too must have been taken if pak leadsership is so much reluctant or unable to crush them
 
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weapons and fought with weapons , ideology with ideology and propaganda with bigger propaganda .

The three step solution to solve Trolliban problem .

1. Kill people who wudn't let go go guns . "One who lives by the sword , shall die by it " .

2. Shove education down their throats with force for a couple of generations .

3. Open state sponsored madrassas to impart a peaceful version of Islam .

and within couple of decades , hopefully problem will be solved ....

But for that all state and non state machinery will have to act as one , which as of now looks impossible .
 
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@Oscar can you please look at it .. :whistle:
 
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Don't pretend to be so self righteous. I remember you saying that Pakistani hindus should be thrown in the sea. (Yes you said that, and I don't have time to search it up.) It was on a thread about Pakistani hindus requesting asylum in India. I asked you a few times if that is what you really meant, and you confirmed it.

Would be great if you show me the bold sentence. Go and bring it up. It is challenge. I don't care if you have time to search for that or not. I want you to present it or shut up and stop lying. :)

I am not a hypocrite like you guys. Being secular and modi fan at the same time. Huh.
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You might be banned troll but still do check this out. See if your compatriot can proof his allegation or not. As I said I am not a hypocrite like you guys.
 
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