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Afghan foreign minister - "Stop blaming Afghanistan and take care of your own problems"

What delusion you living in man? And most of the people in this thread are so delusional as well.

Just one US consul general William K Makaneole "macaroni" was enough to engineer regime change in Pakistan April, 2022.

At least for Ukraine it had to be an assistant to undersecretary Victoria Newland.

This past year was a year where an unprecedented number of countries voted against American tabled resolution for Ukraine in UN. And same year has been an unprecedented year for number of Controlled Democratic regime changes.
Please look at the context of the discussion, I am very clearly referring to large military presence, as is relevant in times of war.

You seem to be parroting the same radical extremist lines of the kind that blew themselves up in the 2010s.

There is no American war when it comes to Afghanistan, you are just misinformed between the relations of the two states which have never been good. Now that America has left and they are back to their delusional extremist grandeur, things are returning as they were.
 
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Have you been living under a rock for the past 20 years, my friend? If it was that easy, it would already have been done. No amount of Turkish weapons or advisors will be enough. First deal with your Syrian problem.
Pakistan has the manpower and such ease of logistics to keep a war going for more than 20 years.

And Turkey has such technology and assymetrical warfare expertise that majority of the fighting would take place in caves where you hide. You would be hunted down like pigs.
 
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Pakistan has the manpower and such ease of logistics to keep a war going for more than 20 years.

And Turkey has such technology and assymetrical warfare expertise that majority of the fighting would take place in caves where you hide. You would be hunted down like pigs.
Should be done by Pakistan and natural resources extracted for $$$

It's only right as their terrorism has cost us our economy, countless lives and infrastructure. Not to mention the countless illegal refugees that have completely filled society with drugs and radicalism, and polarisation.
 
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Should be done by Pakistan and natural resources extracted for $$$

It's only right as their terrorism has cost us our economy, countless lives and infrastructure. Not to mention the countless illegal refugees that have completely filled society with drugs and radicalism, and polarisation.
Sounds good to me. Most natural resources of Afghanistan are near the Pakistani border. Villages around these sites that cause problems can be evacuated.

Obedient ones can be rewarded with work.
 
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What you need to understand is that Americans failed because their world view wasn't compatible with the territorry.

They tried to bring their indiviudlalistic western philosophy to the tribalistic world of Afghanistan. You can't treat Afghans like individuals you need to go tribe by tribe basis.

If an Afghan kills a Pakistani soldier, you need to punish his whole tribe. If one of them does something good, you need to reward that whole tribe. And punishments must be so severe that they can't offend again.
 
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Where are those F-16s and Wing Loong 2s and SSGs?

I agree with him we should stop blaming people and let the firepower do the talking

Just IN:— "Pakistan should take care of its own problems and stop blaming Afghanistan for Peshawar attack." - Afghan foreign minister Muttaqqi


@villageidiot @hussain0216 @epebble @Menace2Society @Signalian @PanzerKiel @Goenitz @Jazzbot @Areesh @AlKardai

Afghan FO is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. The mess and blood-letting in Pakistan is the creation of those who call themselves 'Pindi Boys'.
 
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U guys r just fooled by establishment again. Meanwhile today in all KPK poloce protested and mostlysaid ye jo namaloom hein ye hamey maloom hay. So when even the police comes out against the army then i guess even a dumb moron should see the reality.
 
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Where are those F-16s and Wing Loong 2s and SSGs?

I agree with him we should stop blaming people and let the firepower do the talking

Just IN:— "Pakistan should take care of its own problems and stop blaming Afghanistan for Peshawar attack." - Afghan foreign minister Muttaqqi


@villageidiot @hussain0216 @epebble @Menace2Society @Signalian @PanzerKiel @Goenitz @Jazzbot @Areesh @AlKardai


Well MR afgandoo you did release the terrorist TTP did you not ?
 
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Have you looked at successful and disastrous counterinsurgency history.

Rule # 1: no permanent collective punishment; such as mass killings. Temporary travel and trade embargoes can work for a time.

Alienating the public is what you hope the miscreants do, not the counter-insurgent forces.

You are advocating a France in Algeria strategy, when you need something more akin to the smart parts of the British in Malaya strategy.

Don’t do this

Study what worked in this.



Always remember, they’re our our citizens and we can’t use the full tactics of foreign colonizers, they need to be studied and only applied selectively and without extrajudicial means.

in the end it is in Pakistan’s interest to have the Afghans facilitate our interests, not be the enabling environment of continuous problems. One possible solution, is beating the TTP back over to the Afghan side of the border, and preventing them and their families from ever returning to Pakistan. If we can host millions of Afghans in Pakistan, the Afghan Talib can put the TTP under some kind of open air house arrest. In the mean time, we heavily fortify our border and require anyone wanting to cross to go through proper channels. If the TTP or their family try to cross they will be detected and denied entry.

If you wondering why I advocate the border fortification model, if you look at Roman fortifications with trade posts on the Rhine and in Northern England/Scotland, they were the model that succeeded for centuries in a self-sustaining manner.

Good Lessons from the two video summarized

1. Don’t make any political parties operating within the constitution illegal as they are pressure relief mechanism. This also broadens the support the government. Could have when trying to build as much local support for a final settlement to hostilities and getting the local people to go along with it.
2. Use intelligence to detect, monitor and interdict insurgents and their logistics tail
3. Protect local allies and critical infrastructure and mining resources. Incentivize the local populace (medical and food aid disproportionately higher than a regular area to deal with the extra burden the state is placing on the local people for their troubles) to help protect these people and assets. Hoping this local populace would be a source of intelligence and potential troops for the fight. Also, making sure this population’s governance institutions are working quickly and fairly; so they see the system they are fighting for providing good governance and services.
4. Disrupt insurgent funding and arms resupply
5. depopulating areas and clearing vegetation along logistical routes make detecting insurgent logistics easier
6. Equipping and paying local troops adequately to Jee morale high and casualties to a minimum, so troops are motivated to keep the pressure on the enemy.
7. Helicopter assault troops to quickly intercept miscreants.
8. Detecting (in a manner even if the public doesn’t report it) any food stolen from the public to track any food the insurgents maybe taking to keep themselves fed. Letting the elements degrade the insurgents ability or live off the land.
9. Providing enough resources and jobs and educational opportunities (including facilitating students getting into good schools in the rest of the country and even going abroad to maximize their utility to their region, if they merit it based on merit) in the region to provide an alternative “Career path” for the youth.
10. Making sure local and provincial governance is as corruption and nepotism free as possible, so that young people with no connections can see a pathway, if they play by the rules, to earn a way into a good living and live a prosperous life.
11. Make any investment go to any area a win-win for the local people (dominant tribe and other people in the area) and the state. Shared risk and shared reward. Don’t antagonize local land owners, and offering to invest in their ventures for a share of the profits instead of buying local land or setting up wholly government owned projects/industries in their area. Do “joint venture” with the locals; their “equity” and the state’s capital.
12. don’t allow other countries from carrying out military operations (I.e. drone strikes) or even operating in your territory as it undermines the authority of the state and its monopoly on legitimate use of force.
13. Identifying any international supporters of the miscreants and using lawfare and diplomacy with the host country to combat their ability to aid the miscreants groups in your country.
14. Minimize the number of army troops, especially troops from outside the province to operate in the province, and try to do all operations with provincial police, preferably with police as local to the area of operation as possible, as not to create any perception amongst the people that could unknowingly cause alienation. Don’t make the population feel like they are under siege, but rather their local police is strong enough (and had intelligence means) to handle any attacker and push back hard; deterrence. This will require rebuilding local police stations to look normal on the outside but be strong as forts on the inside of their compounds.
15. No mass reprisals (don’t galvanize Afghans across the border or Afghans (as well as any Pakistani) residing in other parts of Pakistan to support the insurgents, financially or physically), but identifying all responsible kingpins and hunting them down and putting them in front of a court to show the rule of law will be upheld.
16. Having a police QRF force (but able to call in army attack helicopters) ready to respond to an attack ASAP and wiping out attackers quickly and methodically during a battle, with forensic evidence used to follow back killed miscreants to their regions and taking legal action against their direct supporters.
17. Don’t give the perception any dramatic change of governmental structure or laws are going or be negotiated, don’t even hypothetically in any back channel negotiations or through intermediaries. Stick to the constitution of the state, so all parties know salami slicing won’t work.
17. Working to minimize any discrimination people from these regions have in the rest of the country. Generally working on minimizing discrimination in the country and creating a merit based system, everywhere in the country. Opening a percentage of jobs to non-locals everywhere in the country, so opportunities to work in other areas are always possible as well as non-locals able to come to the locals areas to share their knowledge and skills.
18. Don’t kill the most incompetent or divisive leaders of the insurgents. Dot kill the moderates, Let them keep the miscreant organization unstable from the inside and eventually more likely to negotiate a surrender or exile to another country.
19. Built up the economy and government services/jobs/education so the insurgents can’t wear down the government in a war of attrition.
20. Don’t alienate the local police, whose role is central to long term to maintaining any gains.
21. Don’t allow local allies or police to form paramilitaries, to take things into their own hands in case of a major attack. Only allow the chain of command to have the legal authority to use force as per the constitution and the law.
22. don’t allow a ceasefire that only allows the insurgents to regroup and rearm. Only allow a censure if the insurgent give up at least some of the capabilities.
23. Don’t allow an environment to persist during the COIN operation in which the best and the brightest want to leave the region if not the country. Their presence will be necessary to quickly rebuild ASAP after the miscreants have been pushed back if jot neutralized.
24. Don’t allow the insurgents from operating a shadow government, such as courts, and undermining the rule of the principal and local governments.
 
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I never called you an Indian agent for this one. People have been talking and waiting for Afghan Taliban to show their true colors soon after they took over. Nothing you predicted really.
Your obsession to provoke Pakistanis against Afghans still makes you sound like an Indian.
not to mention slip-ups every now and again into indian vernacular/phraseology
 
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U guys r just fooled by establishment again. Meanwhile today in all KPK poloce protested and mostlysaid ye jo namaloom hein ye hamey maloom hay. So when even the police comes out against the army then i guess even a dumb moron should see the reality.

Except for a few illiterate dumb arses sitting in villages of Punjab, Everyone knows who the REAL Culprits are, and these culprits are sitting inside Pakistan in high offices.
 
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This is the end goal for Afghans and TTP :lol:

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Keep glorifying this crap in your textbooks and produce more sympathizers.
Duranni empire.
There was no afghanistan back then

Also this is not ttp goal. U dmbfck .ttp call themselves Pakistanis..
Where do you make this sh!t up from..
 
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He is correct, don't know why Pakistanis are cursing and abusing Afghans, don't Pakistanis have problems, huge problems? Haven't we failed million times in securing our citizens and cities? Aren't we the ones who play double games, who have always kept their people in dark and made deals that were never in interest of the country and its people but for some petty individual gains?

Ask your FM to issue a counter statement.

BC apnay ghar may atta hy nai aur chaly ho border band karny, produce kya karty ho jo unhay dhamkia laga rahy ho? They get what they want, your atta, your electricity, your dollars, your everything, because the morons guarding your side of the borders crossing love their daily share. NATO kay container kaisay chori huay thay?
 
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Where are those F-16s and Wing Loong 2s and SSGs?

I agree with him we should stop blaming people and let the firepower do the talking

Just IN:— "Pakistan should take care of its own problems and stop blaming Afghanistan for Peshawar attack." - Afghan foreign minister Muttaqqi


@villageidiot @hussain0216 @epebble @Menace2Society @Signalian @PanzerKiel @Goenitz @Jazzbot @Areesh @AlKardai
he is absolutely right. our ISI is busy in making porno instead of dealing with real issues.
 
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