Mushy was not elected but seized power,he has no authority to ask others to follow the law if he has not himself....
We have to be a bit more pragmatic about the realities on the ground dabong sahab. Regardless of what systems and institutions we would like, we have what we have. To argue that Musharraf should do absolutely nothing to combat crime and lawlessness, because he took power in a coup, is ludicrous. You are once again, performing logical contortions, and twisting and turning different issues into one another to somehow get the Mullahs off the hook.
The issue is simple; Are the militants committing crimes? Yes they are; suicide bombings, ambushes on government troops, unlawful restrictions on the residents in their areas etc. Whats the solution? The government, regardless of whether its elected or not, has to try and control this. If you do not like Musharrafs government, try and convince the masses to go to the streets, try and get a peaceful revolution to overthrow him; do what the lawyers movement did to reinstate the Chief justice. But you have no right to say that the Government should do absolutely nothing to reign in lawless elements. Will you tell the widows, orphans and mothers, who lost their husbands, parents and sons in suicide bombings, that Musharraf should do nothing to reign in criminals and terrorists? Will you tell the people of Pakistan that Musharraf should disband the police and let robbers, rapists, dacoits and murderers have their day because, "he has no authority to ask others to follow the law if he has not himself"?
Your argument is intellectually bankrupt. You know very well that the actions of the militants are criminal, but in order to hide from having to condemn them and discuss how to solve the problem, you keep spinning into other issues. No human can claim to be perfect, and to argue that a government official should only be able to uphold the law if they themselves have never violated any, or are morally and ethically unstained...well you might as well disband every government in the world, including the first four caliphates, because they too were not led by perfect individuals. The idea is absurd!
Yes i agree if it is a crime arrest the person and put them infront of a court,but do not go around attacking masjids,we all know they could have a peaceful outcome to lal masjid "drama" and not got into all this bombings.
Mushy refused .
I am not talking about the LM issue here (The Lal Masjid Issue is already being discussed in its own thread so I wont comment here), but the suicide bombings and attacks occurring in the Tribal areas, that the Tribal Taliban have taken responsibility for. The Tribals don't accept the Pakistani court system, and the Taliban have pretty much rendered the Jirga system of Justice inconsequential, because of their own "shariat courts" and the "trials and punishments" they have been handing out. So at this point there is no option for the State, but to try and "patch" things up through what little of the Jirga system remains, and back up those negotiations with a show of force, and finally utilize force to neutralize the criminals if the talks fail. What options do you have?
So you think that the army had nothing to do with bringing the MMA "unelected Mullah thugs" together and giving them control of NWFP/ Baluchistan?
It is really simple do you want a pakistan that allows alcohol/homosexuality/promotion of single mothers/call girls ect ect or a islamic pakistan that follows the sharia.
They very well may have, though I believe that keeping in mind the conservative mindset of the people in the NWFP, the election of the MMA was very likely "free and fair". I am also not calling the MMA "unelcted Mullah thugs"; they were "elected", in some fashion. The "Mullah thugs" are the LM bradran, the Mullahs who go on violent "morality and vice" campaigns without being a part of any state institution, and ofcourse our "Tribal Taliban".
The MMA is however sympathizing with the criminal actions being committed by the "mullah thugs". The situation is quite similar to the Afghan war militant situation; where the government supported a group because it might offer some sort of strategic advantage for Pakistan, and unfortunately, as they say in urdu; "kuch logon ko ungli do to pura bazoo pakr latay hain" (paraphrasing here
) People make mistakes and governments make mistakes. Time to rectify this one too perhaps.
One of the greatest islamic hero's in modern times is Mullah Omar.
To compare busharaff or attadog to him is insulting.
Pray tell, how is that?
The demolition of "Buddhist Statues", allowing Al Qaeda "safe haven", despite being presented evidence, that convinced almost every other country that saw it, that Osama was responsible. Not allowing women to get an education. Punishing men for shaving beards and women for not wearing burqas. Wow. What a hero. As if the Muslim world was not struggling to catch up in Science, Technology and development anyway, we need catalysts like these to really accelerate our downward slide.
But please feel free to start a thread to enlighten us on why "Mullah Omar" was so "great".
