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an off topic ques.Which part in particular?? The downfall of the marathas?
was jijabai a yadav or Jadhav?
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an off topic ques.Which part in particular?? The downfall of the marathas?
Shocking how low some people would get. And they must be Kashmiri, as Kashmir doesn't reall have kaasbis I imagine. Also, Aziz Bhatti's nishan-e-haider was challenged by brigadier tajammal malik. And Aziz Bhatti's full name was Raja Aziz Bhatti. I noticed the rathore Kashmiris from Kashur regions quickly adapting the Raja title in the AJK. I find this all rather strange..
And I had thought Raheel was a Chibh, but Chibhs are only found in northern and Serai Alamgir parts of Gujrat. I also noticed that Chibs look rather different compared to Gujjars, Jatts etc.
Its hardly matter because at the end that family have given 2 nishane haider and current COAS, another nail in the coffin martial race theory
Anyway if you are interested in how chib looks then just seach "kharian chib" in facebook. People with surname chib will come out.
Infact there are no bhattis in the entire valley
There are a few Pashtun speaking Pathans in baramulla and some ahmadiyyas who are called mirzai in baramulla
Well most people think it was the Peshwas who led to the downfall of the Maratha empire .
Although independent Maratha barons had equal share in its downfall .
Brother Can you share a bit more about it
Of course it doesn't. Brave individuals can be found in every race but that doesn't negate the martial race theory. As I mentioned earlier, Nanda was a shudra, but that doesn't prove that there's no difference between the fighting capabilities of a hindustani rajput and a shudar for comparison. Similarly, Uzbeks as a nation would be much more martial than, say, Seraiki jatts. Martial theory is correct to a large extent. Martial race might have more to do with culture than genetics though.
They look like the people of Bhimber... Bhimberites and Chibs are originally Dogras. You still have Chib Dogras in Jammu.
And I had thought Raheel was a Chibh, but Chibhs are only found in northern and Serai Alamgir parts of Gujrat. I also noticed that Chibs look rather different compared to Gujjars, Jatts etc.
Raheel's paternal side is using the title ' Rana'. I would assume that it's more than one group that does so in Gujarat and some would not necessarily be local but historic migrants during the British era most likely or even before that. It seems that Punjab and potohar had lots of movement in those times but of course there's no way to 100% find out. Though it'll be something to see these 'Ranas' turn out to be fakers lol.
As for different areas having different pockets of people, Zafar Ali Khan , famous Khilafat movement scholar and intellectual has been written in history as Janjua Rajput but was from Wazirabad, Gujranwala. I read about his rajput origins. So these 'Ranas' could be rajputs that have moved from parts of Punjab to Gujarat etc . or something along those lines.
Central Punjabi rajputs use Rana while Potohari ones use Raja. As far as if they are fake or not, only someone from from Kunjah can confirm this. People here believe Raheel paternal side is also kasbi/kashmiri because mother is kasbi.
i found this after googling kasbi, some bhatti kasbi from Dadyal.
''I'm a Bhatti also known as kasvi(kasbi) from dadyal, i grew up in dadyal and most of my friends are jats,rajas,gujjars
when i came to england then i realised that pakistanis of England really don't know any thing about casts,
yes casfi's are known to be lower cast then rajas and jatts but they are not the lowest cast in Pakistan
You tell me How can we be lower then any cast, we are the one's who have covered your bodies with clothing otherwise you so cold upper class people
would still be running around with leaf's on your bodies
To my knowledge most of the land jats have was given to them by the British rulers if you don't believe me then do your own research (traters)farmers with no education''
Is it insulting to call a Muslim Kasfi? [Archive] - Ummah.com - Muslim Forum
Also notice this from bhatti family timeline
''1925 89 marlas of land (1 1/8 acres of land) bearing Khasra No. 335, originally property of Allah Ditta Gujjar (alias "Tala Bala") transferred in Tehsil Kharian Revenue Records to Nur Din's sons''
So the land given to Bhattis in Ladian originally belonged to some gujjar, or maybe they brought it.
All Muslims in South asian like to claim foreign ancestry like Pakistanis for example. that doesn't make it true. I can't tell the difference between a Hyderbadi Muslim and a Tamil Muslim. They look the same and they are the same.
Which part in particular?? The downfall of the marathas?
Are there Awans in Kashmir valley? A friend of mine claims to be an Awan from there. I know there are Pahari awans, but what about Kashmir valley?
And man, Marhattas are overrated. Biharis are the most martial people in India. They made the Mauryan Empire, and rule India with an iron fist now.
I was reading shuhdra meaning. In hinduism shudra is basically like punjabi "kammi" who serve zamindars. And work in other people homes/zameen for food/money. Kasbi bhattis for exemple are not zamindar but neither they are kammi in punjabi caste system.
Shudra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bhimber have lots of tribes, search bhimber awan, gujjar etc on facebook. Usually i just seach clan surnames+location on facebook.
Raheel's paternal side is using the title ' Rana'. I would assume that it's more than one group that does so in Gujarat and some would not necessarily be local but historic migrants during the British era most likely or even before that. It seems that Punjab and potohar had lots of movement in those times but of course there's no way to 100% find out. Though it'll be something to see these 'Ranas' turn out to be fakers lol.
As for different areas having different pockets of people, Zafar Ali Khan , famous Khilafat movement scholar and intellectual has been written in history as Janjua Rajput but was from Wazirabad, Gujranwala. I read about his rajput origins. So these 'Ranas' could be rajputs that have moved from other parts of Punjab to Gujarat etc . or something along those lines.
Central Punjabi rajputs use Rana while Potohari ones use Raja. As far as if they are fake or not, only someone from from Kunjah can confirm this. People here believe Raheel paternal side is also kasbi/kashmiri because mother is kasbi.
i found this after googling kasbi, some bhatti kasbi from Dadyal.
''I'm a Bhatti also known as kasvi(kasbi) from dadyal, i grew up in dadyal and most of my friends are jats,rajas,gujjars
when i came to england then i realised that pakistanis of England really don't know any thing about casts,
yes casfi's are known to be lower cast then rajas and jatts but they are not the lowest cast in Pakistan
You tell me How can we be lower then any cast, we are the one's who have covered your bodies with clothing otherwise you so cold upper class people
would still be running around with leaf's on your bodies
To my knowledge most of the land jats have was given to them by the British rulers if you don't believe me then do your own research (traters)farmers with no education''
Is it insulting to call a Muslim Kasfi? [Archive] - Ummah.com - Muslim Forum
Also notice this from bhatti family timeline
''1925 89 marlas of land (1 1/8 acres of land) bearing Khasra No. 335, originally property of Allah Ditta Gujjar (alias "Tala Bala") transferred in Tehsil Kharian Revenue Records to Nur Din's sons''
So the land given to Bhattis in Ladian originally belonged to some gujjar, or maybe they brought it.
The most people with foreign blood are Kashmiris.Many muslims settled from outside South Asia, i am pretty sure they left their decendents behind. One even see many different tribes with non-hindu/indigenous origins in Pakistan.
The Janjuas of Potohar are quite distinct and different from the Janjuas from central, east and south Punjab. I doubt if the people from the regions I mentioned are related even distantly to the ones from Potohar, and I'm sure they're not recognized as rajput by the dominant rajput tribes which live there. I know a guy from Lahore, who says he is "Janjua tarkhan". I think these people might be descendants of janjua migrants from Potohar who got too diluted to be considered rajputs, or might not be janjua at all originally. As save_ghenda's posts mentioned, these fake surnames were taken by a lot castes and clans to get land grants from the british and to be enrolled into their army. I once also read a Sikh Janjua's post somewhere, where he said he was a maliyar(Arayeen).
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If they are from Kashmir, then they can't be Kasbis. And if they're Kasbi, then they can't be Bhatti. And Bhatti is a rather notorious surname. Almost every Christian, Mirasi, Nai etc etc uses the surname Bhatti nowadays. Heck, even the mirasis from my village call themselves "Bhatti rajput". The true rajput bhattis are only found in the Pindi-Bhattian, Sargodha, Rawalpindi and Jhang(I think). The ones from Gujranwala have mixed with the Jatts, and are more or less Jatts now. The true bhattis from the regions I mentioned are rather light skinned and tall usually, unlike the Christian Bhattis etc. They usually use the title "Rai", which is a very old greater Punjab title.
With that said, most Bhatti rajputs have divided into sub-castes now. The Bhattis of Bhakkar for example are now called "Dhandla". The Noons, Uttras and Wattoos are also sub-castes of Bhattis. Manj Rajputs are also descended from the Bhattis. As for the title, in central Punjab, rajputs use the title "Rai" most of the times. The title Rana is usually used by the Manj rajputs, who are mostly found in Nankana Sahib and Sheikhupura. I think someone mentioned that the Khokhars of Jhang also use the title Rana.
With that said, most Bhatti rajputs have divided into sub-castes now. The Bhattis of Bhakkar for example are now called "Dhandla". The Noons, Uttras and Wattoos are also sub-castes of Bhattis. Manj Rajputs are also descended from the Bhattis. As for the title, in central Punjab, rajputs use the title "Rai" most of the times. The title Rana is usually used by the Manj rajputs, who are mostly found in Nankana Sahib and Sheikhupura. I think someone mentioned that the Khokhars of Jhang also use the title Rana.
Yes the downfall