A Straight Talk with Israel

[Solomon2]

for the sake of Palestinians i support a two state solution

Oh please
Bored of your semantics on "facts" and your self righteous delusions , we know all about hoover's controls and yet many future lobbyists and firms made it through, and unlike your high horse;

As pointed out many, many times Pakistanis are SPECTACULARLY ILL-EQUIPPED TO JUDGE Israel-Arab matters, since Pakistan's education system forbids portraying Israel in a positive light: link.

So Pakistanis have never been allowed to address such REAL questions Israel's leaders dealt with, as, "Should Arabs be expelled for having sold the Jews near-worthless land at grossly inflated prices and then trying to murder the Jews to take it back after the Jews improved it and the British left, or should Arabs be allowed to remain? Since under international law the Jews were not to sacrifice any of the civil or property rights that they possessed under the Turks, while the Arabs knew that laws of crime had not changed, either."

Israel has never shown interest in the region and it might be good to ignore this region since its not much of her concern.

I think Israel does ignore South Asia, save for trade and tourism purposes. It is Pakistan that can benefit most from friendly relations with the Jewish State.

you don't see me claiming Pakistan as holier than thou.

If you care about the "holier than thou" thing, then the next step is to honestly address the question, "Is Israel a better state and its Jews a better people than Pakistan and Pakistanis, or not?"

 

[El Sidd]

As pointed out many, many times Pakistanis are SPECTACULARLY ILL-EQUIPPED TO JUDGE Israel-Arab matters, since Pakistan's education system forbids portraying Israel in a positive light: link.

So Pakistanis have never been allowed to address such REAL questions Israel's leaders dealt with, as, "Should Arabs be expelled for having sold the Jews worthless and and then trying to murder the Jews to take it back after the Jews improved it and the British left, or should Arabs be allowed to remain? Since under international law the Jews were not to sacrifice any of the civil or property rights that they possessed under the Turks, while the Arabs knew that laws of crime had not changed, either."

I think Israel does ignore South Asia, save for trade and tourism purposes. It is Pakistan that can benefit most from friendly relations with the Jewish State.

You are partly true on education but still that is not an issue.

I ignore topics on Israel for this purpose alone. That Israel has a superiority complex fuelled by its greed.

On state level i think its a stalemate both are more than happy about.

 

[Solomon2]

I ignore topics on Israel for this purpose alone. That Israel has a superiority complex fuelled by its greed.

There is a literary device the French were fond of using for a hundred years: many writers wanted to criticize the Roman Catholic Church but were forbidden to do so by law. So instead of "the Church" they would end their sentences by writing "the Jews". It made no sense to do so, not just in fact but even in the context of the discussion, but it did serve to keep the writers from being arrested.

On state level i think its a stalemate both are more than happy about.

I'm sure the Mossad treasures a secret relationship with Pakistan, if only for its own bureaucratic reasons. Because every bureaucracy will protect its own turf. So if the Mossad is a stumbling block, Pakistan's leaders are going to have to go around it by making a public demonstration of their desire for better relations, like Sadat did when he stunned everyone by vowing to go to Jerusalem in the cause of peace.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

new gen Pakistanis don't tend to hate Israel and India as their forefathers did.

you can't say the same thing about the new gen of Indians.

 

[Big Tank]

Israeli =/= Zion
Zion =/= Jew
Jew =/= blind supporter of Israeli policies.

Blind supporter of Israeli policies = Intruder, Exploiter, Mass Murderer, Hypocrite.
Intruder, Exploiter, Mass Murderer, Hypocrite = Dangerous for the humanity.
Dangerous for the humanity. = Must be eliminated anywhere found.

 

[El Sidd]

There is a literary device the French were fond of using for a hundred years: many writers wanted to criticize the Roman Catholic Church but were forbidden to do so by law. So instead of "the Church" they would end their sentences by writing "the Jews". It made no sense to do so, not just in fact but even in the context of the discussion, but it did serve to keep the writers from being arrested.

I'm sure the Mossad treasures a secret relationship with Pakistan, if only for its own bureaucratic reasons. Because every bureaucracy will protect its own turf. So if the Mossad is a stumbling block, Pakistan's leaders are going to have to go around it by making a public demonstration of their desire for better relations, like Sadat did when he stunned everyone by vowing to go to Jerusalem in the cause of peace.

I am sure sooner or later if not peace war may bring both to the table.

But as far as the religious and racial superiority complex exists in Israel it will have an impossible task convincing Pakistanis.

Both actually share quite a lot of business similarities but idealism is always ill advised.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Blind supporter of Israeli policies = Intruder, Exploiter, Mass Murderer, Hypocrite.
Intruder, Exploiter, Mass Murderer, Hypocrite = Dangerous for the humanity.
Dangerous for the humanity. = Must be eliminated anywhere found.

I'm sorry, are we talking about Israel or Saudi Arabia?

 

[Big Tank]

I'm sorry, are we talking about Israel or Saudi Arabia?

Both. But at least normal Saudi citizens are never interested to occupy or intrude into other's property like Israelis do.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Both. But at least normal Saudi citizens are never interested to occupy or intrude into other's property like Israelis do.

Yeah, much easier to throw around a couple $Billion to organize coups and have puppets.

 

[Big Tank]

Yeah, much easier to throw around a couple $Billion to organize coups and have puppets.

That's what their Monarch does. Saudi citizens have live and let live policy. Israelis are opposite.

Yeah, much easier to throw around a couple $Billion to organize coups and have puppets.

Just the way US citizens are. Your government funds International Terrorist Orgs, Invades other land, Plots coup attempts. Sends its Agents for Sabotage and Espionage. While your citizens have no idea whats going on. Busy eatin Pizza and gurking coke eh...

 

[Corona]

you can't say the same thing about the new gen of Indians.

What makes you say that?

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

What makes you say that?

my observation of Indians all over the internet.you could simply go to any video about Pakistan on youtube and you'll see these disgusting comments and remarks that are uncalled for, no one provokes them. And you will never see any Pakistani doing the same on any of the videos relating to India. i think a lot of this has to do with their media which is obsessed with Pakistan.

 

[Pakistani E]

Is there anything that Pakistanis won't drag us in to?

 

[SabzShaheen]

The problem is that this statement is incorrect. That it is widely held and propagated throughout Pakistan, generation after generation, does not make it any more accurate.

The core ideal of Zionism isn't religion; it is nationalism, the idea that the Jewish people - like the French, Italians, Turks, etc. - are a nation and as such entitled to self-determination.

"The Jews are a people and Judaism is their religion" is the correct formulation.

You can see right away that Israel thus avoided, to a great degree, the problems afflicting Pakistan: the question of who is or isn't a Jew is settled by blood or adoption, not religious observance. (Very close to the German formulation, really, where Germans - even if their forebears had lived in Russia for hundreds of years - are still welcomed back to Germany and entitled to automatic citizenship.)

So having been founded upon a flawed premise, the reasoning that follows it in the essay is flawed as well, and therefore its conclusions are logically invalid.

This is really confusing imo.
So you're saying that Jews aren't necessarily followers of Judaism and instead are a nation? If so, what would determine if a person is a Jew or not?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Those who think Pakistan can have normal relations with Israel are living in fools paradise. We have reached a point of no return where the best of scenarios would be we rather going in direct conflict, try to screw each other via third party.

Israel is already neck deep with India. While Pakistan is sitting on its backside with no clear direction on how to deal with this meance. Isreal is surrounded with destability. We need to create our own proxy force or work with existing ones to give them jolt here and there so they won't get ahead of themselves. How America will take this should not be a concern anymore because there is no other choice but to confront aggressively.