A Straight Talk with Israel

[YeBeWarned]

It is time to talk straight to Israel. Israel is a legitimate party to the conflict in the Middle East but its illegitimate efforts to weaken Pakistan must be checked through offensive measures.

Right to the point .. its time we sit with them and talk , lets face each other as Enemies , but doubt that cause Israel never face its enemies in open battle field and whenever they did they lost miserably .. Israel will sit on the back of Holy cow and blow the Charge , while the Eagle will be on sky to keep check ..

P.S holy Cow is India , Eagle is US ..

 

[Jugger]

Both nations were created for religion but here the similarity ends, Israel is a secular democracy whereas Pakistan is still not, although trying hard.

But anyways the new gen Pakistanis don't tend to hate Israel and India as their forefathers did.

 

[Ilay]

Allies to who?
Here comes the zionist crap propoganda again

Israel the supposed holier than thou ally of the USA had spies within US military and US defence contractors.
Israel fired at and attacked a US navy ship in the 60s.
Israel sent both US derived and proprietary technology to China
Israel the ally of the europeans conducted espionage against them, allowed hit men to run amok.

Israel is the perfect example of a backstabbing ally

The only reason it truly has an alliance in the Us has to do with a very strong euro Jewish lobby that came from those zionists escaping Europe who brought their wealth into the US to invest and then eventually create powerful lobbies.

So if by ally means essentially legally bribing and coercing elected officials to carry out biddings, yes; Israel is a great ally.

We can never allow ourselves to completely trust another nation by 100% simply on the basis of friendship, yes it won't be too kind but reality and history for the Jewish people weren't kind to us either so there is no place for complete trust no mater how it looks. Beside British and American intelligence agencies have already spied on Israel in the past, it is expected of them so no grudge will be held though. It's not like we sell them out to their enemies or on open espionage war with them so what's the deal here?

but doubt that cause Israel never face its enemies in open battle field and whenever they did they lost miserably

"Lost miserably" are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

 

[Solomon2]

It's not like we sell them out to their enemies or on open espionage war with them so what's the deal here?

I think it's that in Pakistan the military runs foreign policy nearly unmoderated by elected politicians. So everything reduces to military questions of capability and control, while questions of intent are ignored or ceded to religious ideology: there are no friendly nations, someone who has the capability to destroy you is either an enemy or potential enemy, allies must be controlled, and superior powers must be appeased.

 

[Corona]

Right to the point .. its time we sit with them and talk , lets face each other as Enemies , but doubt that cause Israel never face its enemies in open battle field and whenever they did they lost miserably .. Israel will sit on the back of Holy cow and blow the Charge , while the Eagle will be on sky to keep check ..

P.S holy Cow is India , Eagle is US ..

Thanks for clarifying that friend, I thought holy cow was Montenegro and the eagle was Saint Kitts and Nevis.

 

[Big Tank]

Yet for some reason Israel is the most reliable and steadfast of allies and somehow the Zionists are very incompetent at the "lie, exploit and massacre" role you've attributed to them. I suppose that's all a mystery to you, isn't it?

I'd second Oscar. Allies to whom? They confronted RAF jets during 1948 who were just there to survey the refugee movements. Later fired Missiles at US Navy Vessels along with confronting USAF Jets. Turkey being a so-called Islamic Leader maintained relations with them. In return got back-stabbed numerous times. While you're here advocating Pakistan's relations with Israel which isn't possible till we're existing. No matter how much the Politicians or Generals try. Pakistani awam regardless of Sunnis or Shias are always Anti Zionist and will be.

 

[Sully3]

He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?

well Iran is a elephant in the room. Saudis take a keen interest in the border between Pak and Iran, why can't Israel work alongside them.

 

[Ilay]

I'd second Oscar. Allies to whom? They confronted RAF jets during 1948 who were just there to survey the refugee movements. Later fired Missiles at US Navy Vessels along with confronting USAF Jets. Turkey being a so-called Islamic Leader maintained relations with them. In return got back-stabbed numerous times. While you're here advocating Pakistan's relations with Israel which isn't possible till we're existing. No matter how much the Politicians or Generals try. Pakistani awam regardless of Sunnis or Shias are always Anti Zionist and will be.

Precisely, neither Pakistan nor Israel desire relations with each other so we can just end this discussion here and now.

 

[Big Tank]

Precisely, neither Pakistan nor Israel desire relations with each other so we can just end this discussion here and now.

it is a thread and discussion can't be ended.

 

[Solomon2]

I'd second Oscar. Allies to whom? They confronted RAF jets during 1948 who were just there to survey the refugee movements.

In 1948 the Brits were the enemy.

Later fired Missiles at US Navy Vessels along with confronting USAF Jets.

Just like Oz, you're not entitled to portray inventions as "fact".

Turkey being a so-called Islamic Leader maintained relations with them. In return got back-stabbed numerous times.

No examples given? Then it didn't happen.

While you're here advocating Pakistan's relations with Israel which isn't possible till we're existing. No matter how much the Politicians or Generals try. Pakistani awam regardless of Sunnis or Shias are always Anti Zionist and will be.

So you're aware that Israel only wishes the best for Pakistan's people but that at the same time these are awash in religiously-inspired Israel-hatred that you feel helpless to confront?

Or are you merely hopeless? There is a difference. @El Sidd

Precisely, neither Pakistan nor Israel desire relations with each other so we can just end this discussion here and now.

I think open relations would be good for Pakistan and Israel. There are so many things Pakistanis can't talk about because being pro-Israel is verboten yet justifying Israel-hate requires all sorts of twists and lies. So open relations would be good for Pakistanis' political and mental health and of course Israelis would like another country to trade with and travel to.

 

[Big Tank]

So you're aware that Israel only wishes the best for Pakistan's people but that at the same time these are awash in religiously-inspired Israel-hatred that you feel helpless to confront?

with and travel to.

Never said that mate. Only the Politicians and Couple of Generals. 97% Pakistan Army Personnel actually hate Israel. While 96 of Pakistan Population would oppose establishing relations with Israel not the religiously influenced only.

 

[SQ8]

@Mini Tank knows at least some of the details: maybe he'll share the rest of what he knows.

Uh-uh. Naughty, naughty! You can't pass judgment on alleged deeds if you fail to prove the veracity or are omitting their context.

And you're clearly out of your realm of knowledge here. The State Department allowed very few Jews into the U.S. from Hitler's Europe and those that did had to leave their money behind.

You're entitled to your own opinion, Oscar, but not your own "facts". Which means you're not entitled to portray convenient inventions as facts. Sure, it's unfair that some peoples have a cleaner slate than others. Is the right reaction to slander the good guys or to model your own conduct after theirs?

Oh please
Bored of your semantics on "facts" and your self righteous delusions , we know all about hoover's controls and yet many future lobbyists and firms made it through, and unlike your high horse; you don't see me claiming Pakistan as holier than thou.

 

[El Sidd]

In 1948 the Brits were the enemy.

Just like Oz, you're not entitled to portray inventions as "fact".

No examples given? Then it didn't happen.

So you're aware that Israel only wishes the best for Pakistan's people but that at the same time these are awash in religiously-inspired Israel-hatred that you feel helpless to confront?

Or are you merely hopeless? There is a difference. @El Sidd

Its a diverse society Solomon.

Everyone has his own opinion.

for the sake of Palestinians i support a two state solution

But we Pakistanis do things differently.

Whatever the decision. It should be democratic.

Israel has never shown interest in the region and it might be good to ignore this region since its not much of her concern.

Symbolic gestures are just symbolic

 

[SQ8]

Just like Oz, you're not entitled to portray inventions as "fact".

Most of your posts fall under inventions or outright lies that even official Israeli or zionist circles dont claim.

So lets not waste each other's time in this "Im right so you shut up" dance.
Id rather discuss with people who have less of a stuck cassete narrative than yours.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

These Zionists can never be sincere with the Muslims no matter what. Its in their blood to lie, exploit and massacre.

Israeli =/= Zion
Zion =/= Jew
Jew =/= blind supporter of Israeli policies.

Pakistan holding out because of some sense of "solidarity" with Palestinians is bullsh!t. When Palestinians themselves send concrete, fruits, and labor to support Israeli policies.

Arab nations themselves have dealings with Israel, embassies/consulates/trade offices. You can see the battle now over who's a bigger friend the original nation in the GCC that has a trade office, or the one that let Israeli agents kill a Hamas member, or the original "strongman".

And rather shoot each other based on being Hamas or Fatah.