A Question for Pak Patriots: Why fight for Kashmir

[mudas777]

Its not an April fool joke is it?? Thought we are at the end of August. Its an unfinished business from the partition era and some one took it from us by deception and its rightfully belongs to us morally, culturally and religion wise etc. If some thief took something away from you immorally, then you need to be a man enough to take what's rightfully yours. End of the story and non negotiable issue.

 

[HAIDER]

Kashmir is the alter ego of Pakistan with respect to India...So if not Kashmir, Pakistan will find alternate reason to dominate India due to an belief that India was ruled by 1000 years Muslim rulers...:So they deserve to rule us in future too...

Modi failed economic plan now diverted toward Kashmir. Now all office will be taken overy RSS top boys. Kashmir will filled with Modi lovers. Modi has huge plan to alienate the Kashmiri and confiscate there land.
If you remember when a journalist ask about Muslims death in Gujrat this your PM replied " agar koi kutta meri car ka samna ajai tu ma kia karon " ........... he called dog to Muslims of India.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Why fight for Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta ? Same is the reason for Kashmir

 

[SkyWolf]

Looks like I have angered many people. I take my question back. It was ill-informed and insensitive. Let me just say Pakistan ZINDABAD. Gangadesh MURDABAD.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Before anyone goes ballistic, please hear me out. I am a patriotic Pakistani. I feel terrible about what is being done to Kashmiris by Indian brutal occupation.

That said, I would like to ask -- why should Pakistanis fight for Kashmir given the following situation:

1. Kashmiris prefer independence over Pakistan.
2. Sheikh Abdullah put in his fortunes with India.
3. 1965 war, Kashmiris did not provide much support.
4. Kashmiris seem unwilling or incapable of an Afghan, Vietnam type insurgency.
5. Even after India's annexation, I am hearing Kashmiris say we want freedom from Pakistan as well as India.
6. Kashmiris only want to use us to fight against India. The minute we liberate Kashmir, the Kashmiris will ask for Gilgit/Baltistan.
7. To retain the moral upper ground, we would have to give GB to an independent Kashmir
8. We did not get much rear support during the Kargil episode
9. Why should Pakistani mothers sacrifice their sons if Kashmirs don't appreciate Pakistan's sacrifices?
10. We could focus on our own development and avoid radicalization if we didn't have the Kashmiri issue.
11. Why fight for someone that has rejected us?

I am very happy to learn from folks here. Thanks.

Attn Bharatis: I don't want your input so don't bother responding.

I have no quarrels if Kashmir becomes independent instead of joining Pakistan, our waters will be in much safer hands than if they are in Hindustani hands. As for GB joining Kashmir, we can have a referendum there and let them decide. Its exactly like Afghanistan wants Pukhtoon lands but we don't want to join them.

 

[Kaniska]

That is completely made up

Guys...All of you need to really take one stand with respect to relationahip with India...Pakistan always stands for the rights of Muslims....Now if you are really fighting with India only for Kashmir then why are you all worried about Gujurat riot or Babri Mosque demolition in India???This is not anyway related with Kashmir issue..
So your narrative that Pakistan has a political problem with India for Kashmir is not something that we can trust it...
Your sensitivity towards Islamic cause impacts us beyond Kashmir issue..

That is completely made up

Guys...All of you need to really take one stand with respect to relationahip with India...Pakistan always stands for the rights of Muslims....Now if you are really fighting with India only for Kashmir then why are you all worried about Gujurat riot or Babri Mosque demolition in India???This is not anyway related with Kashmir issue..
So your narrative that Pakistan has a political problem with India for Kashmir is not something that we can trust it...
Your sensitivity towards Islamic cause impacts us beyond Kashmir issue..

 

[jericho]

Guys...All of you need to really take one stand with respect to relationahip with India

There are different minds in every nation, I dont know what "one" stand your want us to take, our PM said in his first ever address to the nation when he won the election that the only issue between us is Kashmir, on the other hand, the following is what the National General Secretary of BJP said in his discussion with a famous British journalist

Now if you are really fighting with India only for Kashmir then why are you all worried about Gujurat riot or Babri Mosque demolition in India???

I dont really lose sleep about what is happening in any part of India, but there is a difference between the extent people are willing to go to to defend Kashmir and criticizing the wrong doings of another country, if Pakistanis have criticized your country for killings of Gujarat it is because killings of innocents is wrong, any other country including the US would criticize you, it doesn't mean we are going to attack you

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Guys...All of you need to really take one stand with respect to relationahip with India...Pakistan always stands for the rights of Muslims....Now if you are really fighting with India only for Kashmir then why are you all worried about Gujurat riot or Babri Mosque demolition in India???This is not anyway related with Kashmir issue..
So your narrative that Pakistan has a political problem with India for Kashmir is not something that we can trust it...
Your sensitivity towards Islamic cause impacts us beyond Kashmir issue..



Guys...All of you need to really take one stand with respect to relationahip with India...Pakistan always stands for the rights of Muslims....Now if you are really fighting with India only for Kashmir then why are you all worried about Gujurat riot or Babri Mosque demolition in India???This is not anyway related with Kashmir issue..
So your narrative that Pakistan has a political problem with India for Kashmir is not something that we can trust it...
Your sensitivity towards Islamic cause impacts us beyond Kashmir issue..

Incorrect. Those issues are DIRECTLY related to Kashmir because that is the precise event we wish to avert in Kashmir. Article 370 mitigated the risk of another Gujarat happening in IoK but that safeguard has gone. You may think it will not happen but Kashmiris are a proud bunch. They will resist the torture, the oppression, the inevitable discrimination against Muslims that will happen when Hindu settlers gentrify kashmiri real estate. You will have little guarded Hindu compounds for rich Hindus popping up, where landlords will actively prohibit Muslim rental. This already happens all over India so don't pretend it doesn't. The institutionalized discrimination together with the brutal barbarism of occupying forces will cause Muslims to revolt. Then when Hindus reach critical numbers they will go on a rampage, PROTECTED BY HINDU SECURITY FORCES.

a repeat of Gujarat will be attempted - Mark my words - unless we nip the whole scheme in the bud soon.

 

[tman786]

I'm kashmiri and fiercely patriotic pakistani.. Reading your questions is an insult to kashmiris like me

 

[Kaniska]

There are different minds in every nation, I dont know what "one" stand your want us to take, our PM said in his first ever address to the nation when he won the election that the only issue between us is Kashmir, on the other hand, the following is what the National General Secretary of BJP said in his discussion with a famous British journalist

I dont really lose sleep about what is happening in any part of India, but there is a difference between the extent people are willing to go to to defend Kashmir and criticizing the wrong doings of another country, if Pakistanis have criticized your country for killings of Gujarat it is because killings of innocents is wrong, any other country including the US would criticize you, it doesn't mean we are going to attack you

If you guys are so much sensitive about killings of people, how much time your public come to the street for the killing of Pandit in J&K....How many times Pakistan stood for killing of Tamils in Srilanka and how many times your people stood for Muslims who are at difficult situation in Western province in China??
In the current times...Muslims are killing Muslims than any one else..Did you guys hit the street about why Arabs are killing Houthi’s???

Incorrect. Those issues are DIRECTLY related to Kashmir because that is the precise event we wish to avert in Kashmir. Article 370 mitigated the risk of another Gujarat happening in IoK but that safeguard has gone. You may think it will not happen but Kashmiris are a proud bunch. They will resist the torture, the oppression, the inevitable discrimination against Muslims that will happen when Hindu settlers gentrify kashmiri real estate. You will have little guarded Hindu compounds for rich Hindus popping up, where landlords will actively prohibit Muslim rental. This already happens all over India so don't pretend it doesn't. The institutionalized discrimination together with the brutal barbarism of occupying forces will cause Muslims to revolt. Then when Hindus reach critical numbers they will go on a rampage, PROTECTED BY HINDU SECURITY FORCES.

a repeat of Gujarat will be attempted - Mark my words - unless we nip the whole scheme in the bud soon.

Good luck with you and Pakistan..That is the only thing i can say in PDF..

 

[jericho]

In the current times...Muslims are killing Muslims than any one else..Did you guys hit the street about why Arabs are killing Houthi’s???

A lot of Muslims and non-Muslims have critisized Yemen war, you wont know because Gobar Swamy will not tell you that on his channel, and as far as the other part of your post, its not even relevant to your original claim in this thread, so im not going to bother with that

now, since you asked a non-relevant question to twist and turn the argument to your favor, let me ask you one also, tell me, if Indians are so protective about Cow and consider it your mother then why are you guys the number 1 beef exporter in the world

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Good luck with you and Pakistan..That is the only thing i can say in PDF..

Say whatever you like to me. I will respond. I personally think it's wrong for mods to silence the Indian contributors on pdf, unless you break the standard rules of course. Let the Indians talk, and let me answer them.

That said, I do realise things have changed in recent weeks hence standards are a bit different now for obvious reasons.

 

[Kaniska]

A lot of Muslims and non-Muslims have critisized Yemen war, you wont know because Gobar Swamy will not tell you that on his channel, and as far as the other part of your post, its not even relevant to your original claim in this thread, so im not going to bother with that

now, since you asked a non-relevant question to twist and turn the argument to your favor, let me ask you one also, tell me, if Indians are so protective about Cow and consider it your mother then why are you guys the number 1 beef exporter in the world

Your argument itself proves my point..For you Kashmir issue is not a political issue rather linked your stand to support with anything that is related to Muslim cause...So how can you say that you will be fine even if India hand over Kashmir valley to you??

A lot of Muslims and non-Muslims have critisized Yemen war, you wont know because Gobar Swamy will not tell you that on his channel, and as far as the other part of your post, its not even relevant to your original claim in this thread, so im not going to bother with that

now, since you asked a non-relevant question to twist and turn the argument to your favor, let me ask you one also, tell me, if Indians are so protective about Cow and consider it your mother then why are you guys the number 1 beef exporter in the world

Your argument itself proves my point..For you Kashmir issue is not a political issue rather linked your stand to support with anything that is related to Muslim cause...So how can you say that you will be fine even if India hand over Kashmir valley to you??

 

[jericho]

Your argument itself proves my point..For you Kashmir issue is not a political issue rather linked your stand to support with anything that is related to Muslim cause...So how can you say that you will be fine even if India hand over Kashmir valley to you??

You conveniently skipped almost half of what I replied to you and somehow concluded that what I say cannot be trusted, is this some Gangaland logic? Anyways, you dont really have any evidence to support your own claim while I have shown what your politician said and what our PM said, I have nothing else to say beyond this

 

[SkyWolf]

To be concerned with Gujrat riots is not a matter of being Pakistan but simply human. I was saddened by what happened to Sikhs in 1984. What happened to minorities in Pakistan. Another thing is many Pakistani have relatives in India. We even have to send them money (in our family anyway) because Muslims in India are not doing well minus your tokens: Shahrukh, Salman, Premji etc. Stop diverting the topic.