A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[war&peace]

Last check , its pending 40 J10

He said neither Chinese nor American and J-10 is Chinese aircraft and that's not highend by any means...bigger than JF-17 but not really high end, It can either be EF, SU-35 or Mirage 2009

 

[Shah Xaib]

Or maybe a trainer? btw who is haris khan?

 

[dadeechi]

Its a win win situation isnt it.....purchase of Typhoons may open up other avenues of co operation like Aesa for thunders and who knows we may opt for EJ 200 for JF 17s to maintain engine commonality of our fleet

That would be a masterstroke.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India no longer has much leverage over Russia and it has been consistently going down by the day.

$50BN in defence deals between India and Russia in the next 10 years is HUGE leverage with a country in recession (as Russia is).

 

[dadeechi]

Euro Fighter Typhoon was designed fromm the outset to be the best fighter in nhe world to tackle the Flankers and mig29S

many experts claim in pure air superiority role the Typhoon is second only to F22 raptor even today.

40 meteore equipped Typhoons would give even 100 flankers a nightmare.

PAF need to find a way to pay $8 billion to buy them.

Saudi can help you.

Also historically both UK & Italy have been closer to Pakistan.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

ooooh what is that?

Ladu..

 

[New World]

the typhoon is possible but its a 10 year old's wish list and they wont be ready till 2023 which is when pakistan will induct the 5th gen fighter so no need. remember oman ordered the typhoons in 2012 and are getting them in 2017 and that was when they needed orders and kuwait has ordered them recently so there is a backlog

Fifth generation jets will be a very small number and inducted slowly. The Typhoon will be just as important then. You're right about Oman.
Oh well, we will just have to wait and see. It would be great for us, if Pakistan does pick the jet.

sir, i read somewhere that BAE's production line will be shutdowned in 2018 because of lack of orders...

http://www.janes.com/article/53305/bae-systems-may-gap-typhoon-production-in-2018

 

[Ultima Thule]

No US or NO China meaning it is Russia

Either SU-35 or MIG-35.



Pakistan cannot afford to wait until J-31 matures. It would have to go for either SU-35s or MIG-35s

Sir Not possible because of Indian pressure on Russia

 

[dadeechi]

$50BN in defence deals between India and Russia in the next 10 years is HUGE leverage with a country in recession (as Russia is).

India would have leverage over Russia if

1) India is buying something from Russia in spite of India having alternate options. This is not the case today as India has been buying things from Russia that no other country is willing to sell to India. This is changing rapidly as most of the West including US is now happy to sell everything to India and India is not disappointing them either.

2) Russia does not have any alternate options other than selling to India. With India diversifying to other suppliers, Russia no longer feels obligated to not to sell to Pakistan. This has been happening for almost a decade now.

Sir Not possible because of Indian pressure on Russia

See my post above (post #76)

 

[Abingdonboy]

India would have leverage over Russia if

1) India is buying something from Russia in spite of India having alternate options. This is not the case today as India has been buying things from Russia that no other country is willing to sell to India. This is changing rapidly as most of the West including US is now happy to sell everything to India and India is not disappointing them either.

2) Russia does not have any alternate options other than selling to India. With India diversifying to other suppliers, Russia no longer feels obligated to not to sell to Pakistan. This has been happening for almost a decade now.



See my post above (post #76)

I'll say it again, India and Russia will have at least $50BN USD worth of defence deals in the next 10 years and will remain their largest defence customer, there is no way to ignore India has signifcant leverage over Russia, especially where Pakistan is concerned.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Operating costs are not that easy to determine because they are to be calculated according to each and every environment (country).

Operating Costs are based on these:

1) Airplane Related Operating Cost (AROC);

2) LIFE-CYCLE COST (LCC) CATEGORIES

3) Systems Related Operating Cost (SROC).

Airplane Related Operating Cost (AROC)

This comprises on two major parts CAPITAL COSTS and CASH AIRPLANE RELATED OPERATING COSTS.

Capital Cost is the price to be paid which can be done upfront or through financing, it also includes Insurance and Depreciation.

CASH AIRPLANE RELATED OPERATING COSTS includes Crew, Fuel, Maintenance, Landing, Ground Handling, GPE Depreciation, GPE Maintenance Control & Communications.

Non-Recurring Cost

Cost incurred one time only:

-Engineering

- Airframe design/analysis

- Configuration control

- Systems engineering Tooling

- Design of tools and fixtures

- Fabrication of tools and fixtures Other

- Development support

- Flight testing

Recurring Cost

Cost incurred per unit:

Labor

- Fabrication

- Assembly

- Integration Material to manufacture

- Raw material

- Purchased outside production

- Purchased equipment Production support

- QA

- Production tooling support

- Engineering support

Cost Modeling

• Aircraft is broken down into modules – Inner wing, outer wing, …

– Modules are classified by type

• Wing, Empennage, Fuselage, …

• Cost per pound specified for each module type

– Calibrated from existing cost models

– Modified by other factors

• Learning effects

• Commonality effects

• Assembly & Integration: a separate “module”

• 2 cost categories: development & manufacturing Production run: a collection of modules

LIFE-CYCLE COST CATEGORIES

Life-cycle cost is defined as the sum of four major cost categories:

(1) Research and development costs;

(2) Investment costs, consisting of procurement, military construction, and acquisition-related operations and maintenance (O&M) associated with the production and deployment activities;

(3) O&S costs; and

(4) Disposal costs.


Hence it can vary for the same aircraft in two different environments i.e if F-16’s are flown by both PAF and PN. For PN the operating cost would be higher as compared to PAF because of the requirement.

 

[Zarvan]

Dam where are those people who were making fun of me all the time ???? Yes we are buying and most probably they are SU-35.

@Arsalan @waz

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

$50BN in defence deals between India and Russia in the next 10 years is HUGE leverage with a country in recession (as Russia is).

Because india is literally dependent on Russia .. From T-90 parts to ammo and that formula goes for each and every Russian system used by india.... From Brahmos down to your nuclear subs .. It's indja that's dependent on Russia not the other way around.

Apart from that geopolitics shifts are crazy things



Just saying.


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@Topic ; Could very well be the J series flankers.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I'll say it again, India and Russia will have at least $50BN USD worth of defence deals in the next 10 years and will remain their largest defence customer, there is no way to ignore India has signifcant leverage over Russia, especially where Pakistan is concerned.

you are on thee spot sir, i totally agree with you

 

[Benign Persona]

Sir Not possible because of Indian pressure on Russia

what pressure? where was that pressure when russia was selling s 400 to china? where was that pressure when russian was selling su 35 to china? putin dont give a damn about anything what i hear from my russian friends, so it can happen.