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Sure, ان شا اللہcan you further explain the bold part..
Madinah means City
Tayyabah means Pure, پاک
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Sure, ان شا اللہcan you further explain the bold part..
UAE with India is pure business and every country does so in the national interest. However, a military march is a bit over w.r.t. our old relations and India being our Rival though anger is valid if it is depending upon NO Call over Yemen subject. Moreover, there are plenty of Pakistanis that still living in the UAE and are still going there for the jobs/earning and on other hand, our business elite has been spending in Dubai as well. It depends that how farther UAE-Indian relations may go in future and to what extent but one thing that IMO, we shouldn't be facing a greater threat of such nexus except a business rivalry in subject of UAE.
There are chances that UAE Business Elite did not like the idea of Gwadar as well due to creating a tough competition in this region. UAE may be pulling out or would be less interested w.r.t. economical activities in Pakistan but all these things are related to economical level and changing policy which do not represent the public sentiment, military to military contact at all and we should keep both as separate while discussing the diplomacy. If UAE holds that much grudge as particular or selective mindset/international forces are trying to paint as such, UAE would have opposed the reported appointment of Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif as Commander of Islamic Coalition Force being a Pakistani but No. Also, read how USA (Trump) is preparing to go full offensive against Iran and may impose more sanctions than before so what a few trying to prove through articles and running campaign to avail an opportunity, should think that we are not involved that deep with Iran but purely related to our diplomacy.
The time when we avoided and said No to Yemen theater, IMO, was actually the call of time because I am sure, beside our hands full with internal security issues and Zarb-e-Azb, there was great threat of further sectarian violence-launching of people like Uzair, Ladla etc in Karachi to sabotage the moment at best and so also, we should not forget MQM allegiance to R&AW and mostly fueling Sectarian Violence and providing home to killers (either fake or not but most favoured to Shia side) side more effectively against Sunni Clerics and targeting them in Karachi. People like Faisal Raza Abidi, Haider Abbas Rizvi and many more have been doing such works in past same as like we had our hand full of killers in the name of Sunni side.
Also, (friends must not mind here but the same is a fact), actually it was PTI & PPPP pressure to not to go in favour of UAE/KSA in Yemen. I am not passing a verdict here or want to be judgmental though everybody can express his/her view but, PPPP is more of pro Iranian mindset and the shape of PTI in Karachi seems to be the same that currently paying less attention to politics in Karachi/Sindh. I have these observations just because I do care more about Pakistan than PMLn, ANP, PPPP or PTI or Jamat etc, I mean any political party.
UAE going to India, indeed hurts a bit (in account of UAE Military march in Delhi) as compare to anyone else dealing as such but still, it was our call and we have to stand with it for the time being rather than cursing UAE like this. We need to remember the good old days and still, it doesn't mean that we may sell out to Iran in rivalry and anger against UAE or may risk our internal security at all.
IMO, the sectarian threat was created more effectively once the Afghan war was done and I again apologize to the people that may not like it but as I said I do care for Pakistan, the Iranian Regime did not like us a lot and there are many reasons. We are hated by Arabs but the reasons are less in weight when it comes to the damages and funding to the factions inside Pakistan done by Iranians as well. I am sorry, but Iran has been housing more Indians than their presence in Afghanistan. It is pertinent to mention here that there is no hate between people to people contact either Iran-Pakistan or UAE-Pakistan but state policies are different than what seems to be when it comes to Iran-Pakistan.
Yes, we share a border with Iran and we need good relations on diplomatic level to have a comfort zone and ease at one of our borders that may release the burden of security and we can concentrate more to the hostile border area. We need to differentiate between state policies, the games played behind the curtains or in shadows and our personal likes/dislikes. State policy and Pakistan Diplomatic approach is to have equal relations with every country especially that we share border around and it is the same reason that during KSA/ARABS-Iran high times, Pakistan (PM and COAS) was the only country that visited both parties to calm the situation. Even, recently Gen. Retd. Raheel Sharif, reportedly expressed few conditions to take over the Islamic Coalition Force Command as to include Iran & Iraq as well so our approach is to have better ties with every country.
Also, Iranian policies became offensive against us just because of our growing love in Arab World and especially, our support and open declaration for the security of Holy Places that also holds a part in today's situation and without going into further details, the shape of region, the world and all is based upon every party's religious and faithful approach that individually, are pursuing their own path per belief.
IMO, (if) Arabs started to support us against Iran and there was a call from our end that we should not play angel here. Yes, the growing sectarian threat that mostly but slowly was supported from Iranian new ruling government in those times and Intelligence read it well in time but I think, idea was not to go offensive openly but to deal it the way things raising the head hence, an opponent faction to deal with growing evil. Once, the A threat is done and dealt accordingly now we are cleaning the other self created faction that whatever it is left with. We need to believe that nothing was going unchecked but we were not in position to do so by ourselves and such factions were needed in those times to deal with many things that we couldn’t do so by ourselves. Like we needed a support in Afghanistan hence, both Iran and Arabs helped a lot however, the side effects were that we are still dealing with the same cancer though we are close to shut the remaining doors and windows of either factions.
The media warfare/the cheerleaders/the misinformation brigade have to understand that for us, it is still Pakistan first and if we can have a bit of heated arguments and temporary conflict with Arabs than what make them think that we will spare or discount someone else when it comes to our National Interest. The dynamics of geo-politics are changing rapidly but at the moment, we have less threat from UAE in Baluchistan and Karachi as previously done by India and Iran combined. For us it is still Pakistan first and such propaganda articles wouldn’t work to divide the nation against either UAE or Iran. We are not importing either Iranian ideology in new formed love nor we are going to be influenced by GCC style governance at all though rival can try as much as it can to create rift/distance among Arab World and Pakistan or Iran on diplomatic levels but will be failing miserably. IMO, the painted growing love of Iran & Pakistan is more of an attempt by a force to prove us as anti party in Arab world and to damage the bridges between Countries that we must understand. Pakistan-Iran contacts are based upon only National Interest and cannot damage our relations with rest of the countries or anyone.
(If I have hurt the personal feelings of anyone, I apologize however, above stated are my observations and are based in light of Pakistan first)
Well said/written.We need to differentiate between state policies, the games played behind the curtains or in shadows and our personal likes/dislikes. State policy and Pakistan Diplomatic approach is to have equal relations with every country especially that we share border around and it is the same reason that during KSA/ARABS-Iran high times, Pakistan (PM and COAS) was the only country that visited both parties to calm the situation.
First of all thank you for taking your time and writing such a long and resourceful reply.
Now the Topic say:
A 2015 warning to Pakistan and Turkey by UAE taking shape in 2017.
There is nothing about Iran, The warning was given to Pakistan and Turkey and you like every one diverted it towards Iran. My concerns about Iran are none my comments about Iran are to counter the UAE march in India and Pakistan getting close to Iran will hurt UAE as much as UAE getting close to India but the deffenders of UAE are throwing the topic towards Iran continuously. The point is that Turkey is our ally and UAE went below the belt for the coup and in the same way UAE is going against Pakistani Interests. The world war three is not of weapons, it is of economics and in world war 3 UAE is with India economically so please take your time and put your next reply on focus and direct it towards Turkey Pakistan and UAE not Iran kindly because being from Research and Dev at-least you should stay on point rather than diverting from it.
I have only two questions left if you would answer that it might bring some more sense in the issue. Is Yemen a city in Iran or a separate country with it's own people it's own law and it's own forces. Now Pakistan not going to Yemen is being looked as because of Iran. Rather than Pakistan and Yemen relations or Yemen also being a Muslim country?Your judgment of me being off-point is in view what the opening article contains though my observations are based upon the whole discussion in the thread and as I try to cover as maximum as I can. UAE threat to Turkiye and coup story has a lot other things that populace is not aware of. I am sure, Turkiye is aware how such coup happened and did you read any offensive remarks from Turkiye against UAE but I found plenty of pressers and statements that what Turkiye founds behind such failed attempt. These shots of portraying UAE totally against two major Islamic Countries like Pakistan & Turkiye still invites a lot of observation that where the propaganda is coming from and how such agenda is formed to create rift and distance among Islamic Countries. Turkiye is our ally as well as a sovereign nation and having its own independent relations that we have no right to try to fuel the situation like this and choose sides. UAE warning was also connected with the decision in those times that Pakistan made which contains Iranian subject as well. UAE is just doing business yet and the day it is found against Pakistan's interest, you will find me opposing UAE at large but it has to be proven yet. UAE march in Delhi is more of the subject yet our own PM went to NaMO PMship ceremony with no Agenda of Pakistan in hand but discussed personal business while meeting different business tycoons and afterwards, has been sending gifts of Mango, Saris while IA was shelling our side that many martyred, was also against national interest.
Iran has a lot to do with subject here which is based upon our NO to UAE in Yemen and don't forget that UAE is just warming it's relations with India and Iran has been in Indian Camp since long time so how to discount one and target another. As I said, I have more concerns for Pakistan than anyone and need to treat every subject differently. You forget Israeli threats and statements that sees Pakistan as biggest enemy of them yet during Iran - Iraq war, Israel fully supported Iran. The new economic deals and relations wouldn't fade the old and long relations of India-Iran and Pakistan-UAE like this. Saying below the belt, Uzair Baloch, Bab ladla prominently and untold side of many target killers/baloch rebels holds Iranian Passports yet Kulbushan traveled from Iran into Pakistan and many more. UAE gave a threat and is not that much offensive against us as much as Iran has been damaging us in past though that is history and by the same definition, whispering for UAE punishment/bashing while discounting Iranian business in Pakistan is totally injustice hence, my post with most of directions. If UAE is not with us then we shouldn't have issues as there are many countries against us and same goes to the Turkiye that they know how to deal the matter so why to make it more worsen by selective analysis.
These relations, threats etc are interconnected from one way and another and a selective direction actually is biased and partial analysis that someone would love to read bashing UAE alone and for such assessment, you can tag the respective person and can ignore my post which is a try from my side to look at it in view of geo-politics and international diplomacy.
You worry to much for nothing.The point is that Turkey is our ally and UAE went below the belt for the coup and in the same way UAE is going against Pakistani Interests. The world war three is not of weapons, it is of economics and in world war 3 UAE is with India economically so please take your time and put your next reply on focus and direct it towards Turkey Pakistan and UAE not Iran kindly because being from Research and Dev at-least you should stay on point rather than diverting from it.
It was rather encouraging for UAE to make such moves because it helps to understand the mentality of an Arab nation and what general public of Pakistan wants is quite opposite to the dilemma. The basic issue is Pakistan is not a country of social media age it is moving towards the age with a fast pace but the people who make decisions and the general population cannot be effective by the propaganda channels of Arabs. Pakistan has big cities but the major population is more saturated in the rural area and most of the Gov MPs come from that area to make a Gov. So moving on is a good idea but History should be remembered for it is a lesson to make future decissions.You worry to much for nothing.
What the UAE did was not below the belt because if it was,your government (how ever bad your leading politicians may be in the eyes of some) would have acted accordingly.
Such events happen in geopolitics,its not the first time and it wont be the last time.
What to do in such a situation?
You(the nation) makes a note and moves on just like in people to people relationships,the government has no time or luxury to get emotional.
If you keep hanging on a subject,you wont move forward,you get frustrated and make simple mistakes which lead to bigger mistakes etc.
So,lets just move on.
I have only two questions left if you would answer that it might bring some more sense in the issue. Is Yemen a city in Iran or a separate country with it's own people it's own law and it's own forces. Now Pakistan not going to Yemen is being looked as because of Iran. Rather than Pakistan and Yemen relations or Yemen also being a Muslim country?
There are no reported Irani Army soldiers fighting in Yemen or killing any side in Yemen but there are GCC forces fighting and killing Yemeni nationals so who is an occupying force in Yemen. is it Iran or GCC? GCC over threw a democratically elected Government in Yemen and opened a war on a Muslim nation and when we refused to fight a Muslim nation they call us and Turkey siding with Iran why?
"Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad and Ankara than the Gulf countries" Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash.
Don't need his light shed on the issue as he has major problem with Iran because of being from UAE. As you are saying that PPP and PTI were against going to Yemen that means a major population was against. I have tow MNA's in my family and both of them are in PMLN and they were also against going to Yemen and many from PMLN were also against going to Yemen so that means that UAE is trying to punish the public of Pakistan as it was public decision and Political decision. Well as far as I remember the decision of not going to war in Yemen was voted and won highly.Time to move on and let's see how things unfold. For the UAE approach and Yemen conflict @Khafee can shed some more light as well.
Bhai, he presented his opinion, a brash though. We agree to disagree.Your post shows you don't have any self esteem and can sell mother for money, try to learn about International relation and how things are done then open mouth about topics.
Highly surprised that positive rating is given to his stupid post. @Horus @Oscar @waz @WebMaster please look into it.
Decision on Yemen war was first good sovereign decision of Pakistan, we are not mercenaries' or slaves of GCC or anyone else. They are angry because they had to spill their own blood to get their objective as their so called servant has refused to do so.
What good did alliance with UAE brought to us??????????????????????
Ans: UAE troops marching in India over the grave of Kashmir, when Kashmiris were having a black day UAE was marching along side India. Wow. Munafiqat is what we get from UAE. So it's time to take chances with Iran.
Don't need his light shed on the issue as he has major problem with Iran because of being from UAE. As you are saying that PPP and PTI were against going to Yemen that means a major population was against. I have tow MNA's in my family and both of them are in PMLN and they were also against going to Yemen and many from PMLN were also against going to Yemen so that means that UAE is trying to punish the public of Pakistan as it was public decision and Political decision. Well as far as I remember the decision of not going to war in Yemen was voted and won highly.
Bhai MK, about Palestine, you know history, so I thought you will do better. No offense, please.Hi,
The GCC did not sell palestine to anyone---the palestinians sold it themselves.
In the 91 gulf war---SArafat joined with Saddam even after being told from all the other gulf countries not to---.
Arafat walked out of Camp David because the israelis had agreed to give him 80% of his demands---he walked away---today---palestine does not even have 10% of what the siraelis were agreeing to---.
Before the second gulf war---Palestine was thriving---economy was good---there was a sort of peace---then came the Iranian backed parties into Palestine---2nd gulf war came and palestine againt joined with Saddam---.
Since then---palestine has been destroyed peace by a piece---iran has destroyed the infra structure of Palestine---..
Yasser Arafat destroyed Palestine during his last days---Abbas has taken it to the end---.
So---don't blame the GCC---they tried their best---they brought up Camp David---Arafat was a gambler to the end---.
Hi,
And the train loads of weapons that we sent them during their war with iraq---.
Iran owes us its very existence to our weapons supply---loaded goods trains with ammunition were heading into Zahedan station from pakistan all the time---.
Speaking about MPLN your assessment is wrong. The Prime minister is Pro-Arab but not the MNA's. Now about Nawaz Sharif he had meeting with Turkey and the decision of Yemen war was made by both of staying out. Being from PMLN I also know that the panama leak were made to control few politicians around the world for middle east crises. All those thinking that GCC are supporting Nawaz for panama leak case will soon become wrong as Qatar will soon separate it's self from the case and there will a public statement in few days from Qatar. Nawaz is moving more towards Turkey rather than Gulf.MNA's opposing to go in Yemen was based upon the approach and sight they had in those times otherwise, PMLn is famous of being more pro-Arabs.... but we had national interest on our hand as well. Speaking about PPPP and PTI was actually based upon a bit of their attachment and my observations in which, I can be wrong and am not stating the same as fact but what I found out. There are bitter truths attached to the fact while going in a conflict that involves Iran and attachment of few with such subject that I am totally ignoring at the moment for some reasons.