A 2015 warning to Pakistan and Turkey by UAE taking shape in 2017.

[CHACHA"G"]

Well this is really very hard and harsh times . I really think we just lost opportunity "Just look at Egypt" but I also think its good that we stayed out of this sectarian mass. Power struggles or Area domination in realty "religion used as playground" sadly.
If u all look at international politics , I am afraid soon we have to make a choice again........... Only chance for Iran is Russia , ASA Trump have deal with Putin , US will bomb Iran. Don't take it as a hate and don't lose your mind(all Iran lovers) but its coming.
If that happen we will go into chaos , our economy will come hell under pressure by Peoples coming from Iran, My guess at lest 10 to 20 Million will come.
Its better we prepare our self. Send all Afghans back home , seal the border , even try to seal Iran border, Try to build relation with GCC and rest of the world .
We have to build and build fast , both Economy and Military...........
Note: As you all know I said it very openly for me Pakistan First , and GCC and Iran are not friends of Pakistan......
But I also cant close my eyes from some facts which are:
3+Million Pakistanis working in GCC (I hate the way Arabs treat them , But I also know many good examples)
Oil + Standing for Pakistan when we need them .............. Etc
But What about Iran................Iran after 1979 only creates problems for us. Hurting but Fact. Gcc also creates problems but ........:..................
For all Pakistanis : Please think as a Pakistani , leave Shia or Sunni out from U. Read and analyse history. Thank u all

 

[Winchester]

We will need a master stroke to get good out of Iran. Just some historical facts:

1. The Qarmatians stole the Hajr-al-aswad and pillaged Mecca.

2. Many generals at the time of fall of Baghdad to the Mongols were Shias who has secretly connived with them to not put up a fight in return for gaining power after the downfall of Sunni rule. The Mongols on the other hand just killed them all.

3. According to some scholars, the Shias are actually the continuation of the Jews who were turned out of Arabia.

4. The Fatimids have a long history of brutality and force against the Sunnis.

5. Recently, Iran had the temerity to call in question the authenticity of the services of Khadim-al-haramain Al-Sharifain.

6. In 1400 Hijra, Irani shias again attacked the Ka'aba.

And the list goes on and on. Too many to recount.

I would trust a rabbied dog on the street more than I trust a Shia.



Let's be cognizant of the fact that the help was provided by a man who has now passed away. We have new people at the helm, and hence new policies. I am not against UAE, but the people who are calling the shots, and the political faction they represent.

I am surprised that a sect baiting post like this is still not deleted and the poster not banned.

@waz @Oscar @Jungibaaz @WebMaster

Even more surprising is the forum handing out professional tags to people who encourage this kind of behaviour.

 

[BHarwana]

I am surprised that a sect baiting post like this is still not deleted and the poster not banned.

@waz @Oscar @Jungibaaz @WebMaster

Even more surprising is the forum handing out professional tags to people who encourage this kind of behaviour.

Let them be there the advocates of UAE are only degrading Iran but not being able to show a positive approach that UAE had made to Pakistan. The thread was about UAE behind Turkish Coup and increasing Indian support, for Pakistan not killing Yemenis, but instead they advocate against Iran being bad this shows a clear solution If UAE goes to India we should move towards Iran. Tit for Tat. They advocate UAE India relations being alright and Pakistan Iran relations like Pakistani are going to commit a crime. Best way to put a slap on UAE's face is to go for Iran. It is a country size of a peanut and they dare to threaten Pakistan. They should realize they cannot defend them selves from houtis and India or USA will not defend them from Iran. USA will only bomb from air on ground Iran will end the peanut pick country. They need Pakistan for their security.

too all the iran lovers and well wishers.

May i remind you that it was iran which saved india from being sanctioned in UN in early 1990s because of killing of Kashmiri people..
and it was iran formally kill Struggle of Kashmiri's from opperssion at the international level.

i hope you didnt forget the recent events like Kulbhushan Yadav(The jeweler from Chabahar).

Look at this post it shows a clear propaganda for Pakistan to stay away from Iran and Increase the hate. The GCC just sold Palestine to Israel and do you think we can expect any support from them for Kashmir.

"Jinhoon nay Masjaid-e- Al-Aqsa Yahood ko beach de woh Kashmir ka khoon ki qimat kiya khaq bharain gay.
Uthat Pak fauj ka jawan apni bandooq Abar main hai munafiqat bhari"

Khamenehi says Kashmir oppressed


have nose-dived this month as Supreme Leader Ali Khamenehi listed Kashmir along with Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan as places where Muslims are brutalized by occupiers. The Indian government sent two very public signs of its displeasure. First, it summoned Iran’s senior diplomat in New Delhi to a dressing-down. Then, India abstained at the UN when a resolution criticizing Iran’s humanrights conduct came up for a vote. In the past, India has always supported Iran by voting nay on those critical resolutions. But India did not go so far as to vote for the resolution. There have been critical editorials in the Indian media, but, on the whole, the reaction to Khamenehi’s remarks seemed remarkably subdued considering how sensitive the issue of Kashmir is inside India.
http://iran-times.com/khamenehi-says-kashmir-oppressed/

 

[imadul]

I am also disqppointed by UAE's recent closeness to India, but we should strengthen our relationship with KSA... We must remember Iran is no friend of Pak... What abt kulbhushan yadevs, baba ladla, and uzair baloch, all of whom were given protection in Iran? Also mullah akhtar mansoor who was droned by US in Pak, had come through iran and had iranian visa..

Iran betrayed Pakistan on AQ khan issue, while KSA helped us with oil, after sanctions on Pak for going nuclear... KSA has helped us many times, in times of our need..so even if they were disappointed with us on yemen issue..we should keep composure.... Aleast KSA hasnt publicly threatened Pak or ridiculed Pak, after yemen issue, (like UAE) even if it encouraged, a bit UAE to pressurise Pak initially... But yes, UAE has gone too far in appeasing India... KSA hasnt done tht..

Why doesnt anyone see treachery of Iran on multiple occasions? Iran is closer to India, what abt chabahar port tht iran is developing with India? Why should we distance ourselves with KSA, for Iran which has ditched Pak, many times, and is closer to India? Should we forget all the help tht KSA has provided us?

Look, diplomacy is not a zero sum game. You dont have relations with some at the cost of other. Can learn one thing or two from arch enemy India. They have close relations both with Iran and UAE, also with KSA. King Salman, visited India in 2014, modi has been to KSA. In
Pakistan, all power centers are at each other's throat how can they look 5-10 years ahead let alone planning for 25-50 years.

Hi.

You cannot do Oil & Gas deals with Iran---they are sanction prone---and as they will suffer---you will be doomed---.

No one who has allied with Iran---has survived death and destruction.

what about India? Still doing good. They are expert at diplomacy and country united to protect indian interests. When india moves, no one can ignore a market of 1.3 bil.

 

[waz]

Keep neutral.

 

[CriticalThought]

I am surprised that a sect baiting post like this is still not deleted and the poster not banned.

@waz @Oscar @Jungibaaz @WebMaster

Even more surprising is the forum handing out professional tags to people who encourage this kind of behaviour.

Hand on heart, the intention is NOT sectarian baiting, but to share my thought process: we have been hurt x number of times in the past, why do we think it would be different thus time? Also, if you re-read the post, I am saying we would need a masterstroke to get benefits. I am open to the policy of working with Iran, I am reminding everyone of the dangers involved, and I remain open to logical criticism.

Keep neutral.

Sir, really hard to do. Neutrality on this thread is more a matter of how others perceive one's intentions. Just the fact that our actual history is mired with sectarianism means talking with a historical context can come out as sectarian.

If any one feels offended with what I have written, please engage me in a constructive discussion and let's see where we go. Thank you.

Look, diplomacy is not a zero sum game. You dont have relations with some at the cost of other. Can learn one thing or two from arch enemy India. They have close relations both with Iran and UAE, also with KSA. King Salman, visited India in 2014, modi has been to KSA. In
Pakistan, all power centers are at each other's throat how can they look 5-10 years ahead let alone planning for 25-50 years.


what about India? Still doing good. They are expert at diplomacy and country united to protect indian interests. When india moves, no one can ignore a market of 1.3 bil.

There are limitations to Indian 'diplomacy' as well. A diplomatic masterstroke from India would be befriending China to an extent that China plays neutral in India/Pakistan dynamics. They are unable to do so.

Indians are opportunists and they are grabbing opportunities wherever they find them. They simply have no basis for discord with Iran and GCC, so reaping the benefits. To an extent that both GCC and Saudi Arabia are willing to look away from things like Gujrat massacre, Babri mosque, Kashmir atrocities etc. But then again, everyone also have their eyes closed on Palestine.

Our problem is non-uniformity of policy and inability to get the point across without causing damage. Different govts have had different pro/anti Iran and pro/anti GCC leanings so no one can look at us as reliable partner. With the Yemeni debacle, we were unable to articulate that we are embroiled in a multi-front war at home which is consuming our resources. A very good outcome could have been start of discussions on how we can jointly increase our capabilities so we can handle two simultaneous wars at home and abroad. Unfortunately, we didn't even have that discussion.

 

[MastanKhan]

what about India? Still doing good. They are expert at diplomacy and country united to protect indian interests. When india moves, no one can ignore a market of 1.3 bil.

Hi,

They don't have leaders who are petty thiefs---looters and plunderers----.

They don't have leaders who go to washington DC---to white house and sell their country and soul to get the backings of the U S.

 

[imadul]

Hand on heart, the intention is NOT sectarian baiting, but to share my thought process: we have been hurt x number of times in the past, why do we think it would be different thus time? Also, if you re-read the post, I am saying we would need a masterstroke to get benefits. I am open to the policy of working with Iran, I am reminding everyone of the dangers involved, and I remain open to logical criticism.



Sir, really hard to do. Neutrality on this thread is more a matter of how others perceive one's intentions. Just the fact that our actual history is mired with sectarianism means talking with a historical context can come out as sectarian.

If any one feels offended with what I have written, please engage me in a constructive discussion and let's see where we go. Thank you.



There are limitations to Indian 'diplomacy' as well. A diplomatic masterstroke from India would be befriending China to an extent that China plays neutral in India/Pakistan dynamics. They are unable to do so.

Indians are opportunists and they are grabbing opportunities wherever they find them. They simply have no basis for discord with Iran and GCC, so reaping the benefits. To an extent that both GCC and Saudi Arabia are willing to look away from things like Gujrat massacre, Babri mosque, Kashmir atrocities etc. But then again, everyone also have their eyes closed on Palestine.

Our problem is non-uniformity of policy and inability to get the point across without causing damage. Different govts have had different pro/anti Iran and pro/anti GCC leanings so no one can look at us as reliable partner. With the Yemeni debacle, we were unable to articulate that we are embroiled in a multi-front war at home which is consuming our resources. A very good outcome could have been start of discussions on how we can jointly increase our capabilities so we can handle two simultaneous wars at home and abroad. Unfortunately, we didn't even have that discussion.

Thank you, precisely.
Our policies are:
1. Impulsive (1st handing over Pak to US, then front state against USSR, opening Pak for Kabli Khans)
2. Personal (hunting permits for houbara bustards)
3. Group's vested interests (turf wars b/w army, civil govts; thus myopic views)

May be Supreme Court will set some examples and a new chapter could be written on a blank page.

 

[fitpOsitive]

I agree with you very well but there are certain issues Pakistan first belong to Pakistani people after that it has some rights of UAE. To Pakistan every Muslim nation is equal no matter if it is UAE a Wahabi state or Iran a Shia state. We can take UAE on board and Iran on board but first we will have to take Pakistani and Chinese companies on board because this country belongs to Pakistan and China is investing in this project than come UAE and Iran. Now about UAE no matter how much is UAE pissed of with Gawadar a single gas and oil deal with Iran can provide Pakistan with cheaper energy so UAE should ask to join like Qatar did. Qatar is also a GCC country no one is pissed of at them they will fully joined CPEC and are making a coal power plant worth $ 2 Billion a Chinese company is working on the project. Russian are also in on the Project and are ready to share military resources with Pakistan to secure the CPEC now UAE should use a decent Chanel we are not the servants of those bloody Arabs. The only Arab above all men is Holy Prophet (PBUH) and his Sahabi. Those Arabs in UAE are nothing to me not even worthy of any thing. They want to join most welcome if they want to be naughty there is no one naughtier than Pakistani's in the world.

Its like accommodating "sotan(second wife)". UAE guys have to pay billions of dollars, and they will fight against any one who will hinder their income. The did a blunder by participating in Yemen hustle. Now we Pakistani can save this region from destabilization. I think britain can play a very important role in this matter.

 

[imadul]

For UAE hedging its future by pouring $76 billion in india and for Iran cozying up with India against Pakistan which is twin of Madinah Tayyabah. Literal meaning of Madinah Tayyabah is "Pakistan". Not a coincidence!!
Al-Baqara 264:
"His example is like that of a smooth stone upon which is dust and is hit by a downpour that leaves it bare. They are unable anything of what they have earned. And Allah does not guide the disbelieving people".

Pakistan is the Supplication of "Rasul Allah". He said, "I feel cool breeze from Hind".

 

[I.R.A]

Importance on paper is no importance or putting too much verbal importance to one's own self is of no value ......... unless timely decision and actions are taken to benefit from the situation. Pakistan desperately needs a leader to benefit the state and common people ................. CPEC in itself is no success/ achievement, but how to make others develop an addiction for CPEC is the real success.

@Khafee your yellow blue green deep narrow wide or whatever state seriously needs lessons on importance of how to win hearts and minds of common gullible delusional people of a different region ...........especially if that region is Pakistan and common people are Pakistani.............. employing a minority of them and having cordial relations with their corrupt elite is not the right approach .......... it provides your opponents all the reasons to confuse common Pakistanis, like you are complaining now.

I hope Pakistani deep yellow green blue state has some business sense too ............. and one very simple and common one is two separate same businesses can never be allies ............... either they are the worst competitors or one takes over the other. Yes I am referring to Chahbahar and Gawadar or you can assume Pakistan and Iran. Any Pakistani thinking Chahbahar and Gawadar are sister ports well good luck you will need lots of it.

Common gullible Pakistanis can wish this war may not have them involved ........... but their wishes will remain wishes, it's a centuries old war that was there even before Pakistan existed and no matter what Pakistani people will have to chose sides one day, so deep yellow blue green state needs to learn when exactly is (was) the right time to become party to extract maximum benefit from the situation, and when to put a leash to corrupt politician from making it worse ..................... @MastanKhan is right with no bullshit.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

I am really shocked at how stupid pakistanis are---. Now that they have a few dollars in the pockets and go out and eat expensive food---they think that they have become rich---but beggars they still are---tactless at that---.

The Yemen crisis would be written as the biggest blunders in pakistan's history after 1 /2 a century---.

The saudis and the emiratis presented their countries on a platter to pakistan---as I had stated in the past---It was the East India company moment for Pakistan---but there was no " Robert Clive " in Pakistan.

Pakistani military generals do not have the CONQUERER GENES in them---except for one---all of them are born with this SLAVE GENES---" we will fight to protect our nation---and then they will lose the wars " from Raja Porus to the 20th century wars---if you look at the history of the region---not a single conquering general who could conquer the badlands---it was always the invaders that came in---comnquered the locals---and then moved onwards to conquer the lower region---ie india---.

There was only one outsider with real guts---Gen Musharraf---had different genes---.

Indira Ghandhi was so right about pakistani generals---when she stated---they are Khassi generals---go ahead and attack---they won't account to much---.

It is amazing---the arabs gave them their nations put on a platter---and coward and gutless pakistanis could not even accept the freebee---what a shame---what a travesty---.

Your post shows you don't have any self esteem and can sell mother for money, try to learn about International relation and how things are done then open mouth about topics.

Highly surprised that positive rating is given to his stupid post. @Horus @Oscar @waz @WebMaster please look into it.

Decision on Yemen war was first good sovereign decision of Pakistan, we are not mercenaries' or slaves of GCC or anyone else. They are angry because they had to spill their own blood to get their objective as their so called servant has refused to do so.

 

[MastanKhan]

Common gullible Pakistanis can wish this war may not have them involved ........... but their wishes will remain wishes, it's a centuries old war that was there even before Pakistan existed and no matter what Pakistani people will have to chose sides one day,

@MastanKhan is right with no bullshit.

Hi,

You have put it in some 4 lines that I could not explain it in pages---.

Your post shows you don't have any self esteem and can sell mother for money, try to learn about International relation and how things are done then open mouth about topics.

Highly surprised that positive rating is given to his stupid post. @Horus @Oscar @waz @WebMaster please look into it.

Decision on Yemen war was first good sovereign decision of Pakistan, we are not mercenaries' or slaves of GCC or anyone else. They are angry because they had to spill their own blood to get their objective as their so called servant has refused to do so.

Hi,

Tariq Bin Ziayad also sold his mother---and so did Yousuf Bin Tashfin---.

Many a times Khalid Bin walid had to sell his mother as well---.

The emiratis sold their mothers as well---when they hid some missile tests for pakistan in the 90's and the saudis have always sold their mothers as well for many a decades for us pakistanis---.

The Turks sold their mothers as well when they joined the germans---and the americans sold their mothers when they joined the allies during WW2---.

The thing is ---the reason you refused---it was out of genetic cowardice---.

Name one conquerer of india from punjab in the last 500 years---the birth place of majority of the pakistan generals---.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

You have put it in some 4 lines that I could not explain it in pages---.



Hi,

Tariq Bin Ziayad also sold his mother---and so did Yousuf Bin Tashfin---.

Many a times Khalid Bin walid had to sell his mother as well---.

The emiratis sold their mothers as well---when they hid some missile tests for pakistan in the 90's and the saudis have always sold their mothers as well for many a decades for us pakistanis---.

The Turks sold their mothers as well when they joined the germans---and the americans sold their mothers when they joined the allies during WW2---.

The thing is ---the reason you refused---it was out of genetic cowardice---.

Name one conquerer of india from punjab in the last 500 years---the birth place of majority of the pakistan generals---.

Don't try to compare Apples with Oranges to prove yourself right.

One can not support or take side when Muslim fighting another Muslim, it's better try to stop violence and bring them to negotiation table.

Pakistan can't take sides because of domestic fall out.

 

[New World]

Look at this post it shows a clear propaganda for Pakistan to stay away from Iran and Increase the hate. The GCC just sold Palestine to Israel and do you think we can expect any support from them for Kashmir.

"Jinhoon nay Masjaid-e- Al-Aqsa Yahood ko beach de woh Kashmir ka khoon ki qimat kiya khaq bharain gay.
Uthat Pak fauj ka jawan apni bandooq Abar main hai munafiqat bhari"

Khamenehi says Kashmir oppressed


have nose-dived this month as Supreme Leader Ali Khamenehi listed Kashmir along with Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan as places where Muslims are brutalized by occupiers. The Indian government sent two very public signs of its displeasure. First, it summoned Iran’s senior diplomat in New Delhi to a dressing-down. Then, India abstained at the UN when a resolution criticizing Iran’s humanrights conduct came up for a vote. In the past, India has always supported Iran by voting nay on those critical resolutions. But India did not go so far as to vote for the resolution. There have been critical editorials in the Indian media, but, on the whole, the reaction to Khamenehi’s remarks seemed remarkably subdued considering how sensitive the issue of Kashmir is inside India.
http://iran-times.com/khamenehi-says-kashmir-oppressed/

Palestine is not a Pakistani Issue but Kashmir is..

whatever they these arabs do with Palestine is not our business.. but Kashmir is our Business and they never abandon us on this Issue..

As for Iran you might have to see the 1980s and to learn how Iran bought weapons from Israel worth of billions..
The Planes without any mark were used to fly in and out of Iran...