7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

[Gijoe]

Woman dies after being forced to eat cow dung, drink kerosene - The Times of India

 

[Aepsilons]

Awesome pictures @cnleio buddy! Hope to see more of your traveling pictures.

 

[sweetgrape]

sweet, our opinions not always the same, so your logic maybe funny to me. It's very normal.
Yes, not decided by me, not harm to me. And it shouldn't be here, as I told you before.

This thread is only for personal taste.

I guess if China airliners system develop in near future, you would like it too. And I am not going to tell your sight is short or anything else.

Sound like vietnam have better airliner system, seems you are more high-level,.

A single HSR not just serve for people in two terminals, a long-rang HSR, take Shenzhen to Xian, not means people just take a travel from Shenzhen to Xian, or Xian to Shenzhen, you can get get on or get off in any station along the line, long-range HSR is ineffective, hehe, your opinion is very funny, you means short-rang dead end HSR is more effective?!

 

[BoQ77]

Could you define us about electricity consuming of current HSR, @Nihonjin1051 ?
As I heard, the new maglev with max speed 502 km/h developing in Japan, how about cost of build and operation?

Sound like vietnam have better airliner system, seems you are more high-level,.

A single HSR not just serve for people in two terminals, a long-rang HSR, take Shenzhen to Xian, not means people just take a travel from Shenzhen to Xian, or Xian to Shenzhen, you can get get on or get off in any station along the line, long-range HSR is ineffective, hehe, your opinion is very funny, you means short-rang dead end HSR is more effective?!

can you point out the difference between DIRECT COMPARE and SHARING, REFERENCE ?
I don't mean compare.

do you know the first maglev in China stand for what?

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 : could you explain this to us ?

During inclement weather it will slow down, of course. Safety is always a priority.

 

[sweetgrape]

can you point out the difference between DIRECT COMPARE and SHARING, REFERENCE ?
I don't mean compare.

do you know the first maglev in China stand for what?

Hehe, what you want to express? China HSR is wrong investment, or airliner is better than long-rang HSR for traveling?

I don't know why you mention Maglev here.

Yes. In macroeconomics, to me, that huge investment is not effective.

1. You misunderstand, I don't consider huge investment as ineffective, but long-range HSR as ineffective, spend too much electricity for higher speed, huge cost of build, of operation...
That's why recently, as I monitored some HSR routes in China must reduce the speed for utilizing the cost and reduce fare rate.
That's why in many countries, the people protests the plan to build HSR, incl. Vietnam, USA
.

Maybe with advanced technology in the future, we could reduce the electricity consuming, but with current technology, current quality, ... ineffective to build long range HSR.
.

 

[BoQ77]

Sound like vietnam have better airliner system, seems you are more high-level,.

High level or not is meaningless to me.
To me: cheaper and faster or faster with same fare is better.

For example, HSR min fare from Shanghai - Beijing is 553 yuan ( hard seater) = 80 USD for 1300km in about 5 hours.
It's clear not cheaper and faster than a flight from Hanoi to Saigon at 40 USD ( by Jetstar Pacific ) or at 70 USD ( by Vietnam Airline - everybody know that's most expensive airliner in Vietnam ) for 1,300km ( by air ) in about 2 hours.
So if the air ticket for Shanghai - Beijing is about the same ( 553 ) you should choose airway over HSR. You save 3 hours.
Or if you feel comfortable with HSR in China ( cheaper than airline ), you would be more comfortable with airliner in Vietnam ( cheaper than HSR and faster ) during your trip in Vietnam

It's just for reference.

Could anyone tell me how much for a cheapest air ticket from Shanghai to Beijing? is it higher than HSR fare ?

To me, if air ticket in China much higher than HSR or delay too much, I would be happy to travel by HSR during my trip in China.

@sweetgrape : what we discussing here is which is the better means of transport in each country, and found the difference between each : speed, duration, fare ...
Do you know the good means of transport in some regions in Southern of Vietnam ?

83 kmph ( Greenline Catamaran powered by MTU dual engine)

Saigon - Vung Tau : 95 km, 1h 15m :

 

[sweetgrape]

High level or not is meaningless to me.
To me: cheaper and faster or faster with same fare is better.

For example, HSR min fare from Shanghai - Beijing is 553 yuan ( hard seater) = 80 USD for 1300km in about 5 hours.
It's clear not cheaper and faster than a flight from Hanoi to Saigon at 40 USD for 1,300km ( by air ) in about 2 hours.
So if the air ticket for Shanghai - Beijing is about the same ( 553 ) you should choose airway over HSR. You save 3 hours.

It's just for reference.

Could anyone tell me how much for a cheapest air ticket from Shanghai to China? is it higher than HSR fare ?

Hehe, so what? still that word, Shanghai-Beijing HSR just serve people in the two city? but the airline is not.

Yes it is not cheaper and faster than airline, but cheaper than car and airliner, can carry more people, and can get off at the station along the line,

Shanghai -Bejing air ticket, normal is about 600～800 Yuan, you also can get about 500 Yuan ticket, but depent on gooff time.

 

[BoQ77]

I am the passenger in this thread. @sweetgrape

Hehe, so what? still that word, Shanghai-Beijing HSR just serve people in the two city? but the airline is. ( there's no airline operated to and from mid course cities ? )

Yes it is not cheaper and faster than airline, but cheaper than car and airliner, can carry more people, ( as passenger, I want to on board with less people ) and can get off at the station along the line, ( if I want to get off at an odd station about the mid-course, I would choose HSR, but not if I could get a same price air ticket for full course Beijing-Shanghai. There's not only formula for this )

Shanghai -Bejing air ticket, normal is about 600～800 Yuan, you also can get about 500 Yuan ticket, but depent on gooff time.

 

[Kai Liu]

That's why in many countries, the people protests the plan to build HSR, incl. Vietnam, USA
FYI, Vietnam plan to spend 56 bil for HSR from North to South, but the plan was rejected as majority protest.

For a tiny 100 bil economy, you can't afford it.

I just gave the 15mil number as an raw material reply to yours, actually I don't mean anything with it. I welcome any comment like yours ( despite you look like offending all of my posts ) LOL.

No offense, I am just stating the facts.

To me, the big airport with expensive fare and often delay is not good as a medium airport with cheap fare and quick acts. As you know there're airport fee, security charge incl. in air ticket.
If you travel a lot, you know my meaning. as a passenger.

Again, your tiny economy can only afford tiny airport, and you like it, good for you.

 

[BoQ77]

Hey, don't look down on others like that, @Kai Liu
Big airport has its own problem.
Big headache for the management, higher cost, longer time to process the ticket, luggage...

You would meet more chance to be delayed or miss your flight.

 

[sweetgrape]

I am the passenger in this thread. @sweetgrape

Maybe yes, maybe not, there are many stations, and do you think the flight between small to small or big cities can be that convinient like between big cities? For me, if the vehicle can save money or time, it can be my choose, any vehicle have its advantage, the advantage also not permanent, it is relative, can change by time and place.

From your previous comments, can easily find you attack and deny China HSR project more, and your opinion is very funny, and has limitation in my eyes. can't conclude that a vehicle is ineffective through comparing them such simple.

 

[hans]

You see in China, people love the HSR from Shanghai-Beijing, which is 1000Km+ long.
Comparing with airlines, it is more comfortable, less delay, less time if you considering time between airports.
Electricity is never a problem.
The huge investment is once spending but in the future, you benefit for long time..
All your concerns are also cared by Chinese people.
Yet after years of operation, people love the HSR more and more.
I think Vietnam people is against HSR because of too much spending.
All the money need to be collected from poor people.
While the Chinese HSR is supported by Chinese`s boosting economy and super engineering capacity.
People want comfortable and less delay travel and is willing to pay it.

1. You misunderstand, I don't consider huge investment as ineffective, but long-range HSR as ineffective, spend too much electricity for higher speed, huge cost of build, of operation...
That's why recently, as I monitored some HSR routes in China must reduce the speed for utilizing the cost and reduce fare rate.
That's why in many countries, the people protests the plan to build HSR, incl. Vietnam, USA
FYI, Vietnam plan to spend 56 bil for HSR from North to South, but the plan was rejected as majority protest.

Yeah, you saw the same reaction as in China.

2. My point is ( yours maybe different ) the HSR is good only for 2-3 hours distance trip. The airliners would be better for longer range, and to island.

Some extremists love HSR too much and they imagined the super long tunnel or bridge to offshore island or even to N. American continent.

Maybe with advanced technology in the future, we could reduce the electricity consuming, but with current technology, current quality, ... ineffective to build long range HSR.



sweet, our opinions not always the same, so your logic maybe funny to me. It's very normal.
Yes, CN HSR not decided by me, harmless to me. And it shouldn't be here, as I told you before.

This thread is only for personal taste.

I guess if China airliners system develop in near future, you would like it too. And I am not going to tell your sight is short or anything else, because that's offensive to you.

So I think the problem is that cost, time and price are completely different in different countries..
In China, HSR is affordable for the countries while Vietnam found HSR is too expensive to build.
In China, HSR save your time while in Vietnam, railway waste your time.
In China, HSR is around 50% price of nominal airline ticket.
biggest discount air ticket is usually 70% off, 50% off is most common you can have. HSR is not expensive in general.
In Vietnam, you may have much lower price for air ticket. Then you prefer airline.

High level or not is meaningless to me.
To me: cheaper and faster or faster with same fare is better.

For example, HSR min fare from Shanghai - Beijing is 553 yuan ( hard seater) = 80 USD for 1300km in about 5 hours.
It's clear not cheaper and faster than a flight from Hanoi to Saigon at 40 USD ( by Jetstar Pacific ) or at 70 USD ( by Vietnam Airline - everybody know that's most expensive airliner in Vietnam ) for 1,300km ( by air ) in about 2 hours.
So if the air ticket for Shanghai - Beijing is about the same ( 553 ) you should choose airway over HSR. You save 3 hours.
Or if you feel comfortable with HSR in China ( cheaper than airline ), you would be more comfortable with airliner in Vietnam ( cheaper than HSR and faster ) during your trip in Vietnam

It's just for reference.

Could anyone tell me how much for a cheapest air ticket from Shanghai to Beijing? is it higher than HSR fare ?

To me, if air ticket in China much higher than HSR or delay too much, I would be happy to travel by HSR during my trip in China.

@sweetgrape : what we discussing here is which is the better means of transport in each country, and found the difference between each : speed, duration, fare ...
Do you know the good means of transport in some regions in Southern of Vietnam ?

83 kmph ( Greenline Catamaran powered by MTU dual engine)

Saigon - Vung Tau : 95 km, 1h 15m :

If you look at China`s airports, you will find bigger airports are usually better managed..
Probably big airport in Vietnam is worse than small airport.
the big airports always have more lines, more transportation, more facility more easy to use

Hey, don't look down on others like that, @Kai Liu
Big airport has its own problem.
Big headache for the management, higher cost, longer time to process the ticket, luggage...

You would meet more chance to be delayed or miss your flight.

 

[BoQ77]

We are happy to see Chinese people has better means of transport , especially to go home for New Year holiday.
I guess with development of HSR, airliners must compete hard to survice, and offer more reasonable price.

Electricity is never a problem.
The huge investment is once spending but in the future, you benefit for long time..

Electricity is a clean energy, it's not the problem, but huge electricity consumption by HSR is problem.
Cost of HSR is not only the building cost but, sadly the operating cost ( electricity as you find more )

 

[Shotgunner51]

You see in China, people love the HSR from Shanghai-Beijing, which is 1000Km+ long.
Comparing with airlines, it is more comfortable, less delay, less time if you considering time between airports.
Electricity is never a problem.
The huge investment is once spending but in the future, you benefit for long time..
All your concerns are also cared by Chinese people.
Yet after years of operation, people love the HSR more and more.
I think Vietnam people is against HSR because of too much spending.
All the money need to be collected from poor people.
While the Chinese HSR is supported by Chinese`s boosting economy and super engineering capacity.
People want comfortable and less delay travel and is willing to pay it.




So I think the problem is that cost, time and price are completely different in different countries..
In China, HSR is affordable for the countries while Vietnam found HSR is too expensive to build.
In China, HSR save your time while in Vietnam, railway waste your time.
In China, HSR is around 50% price of nominal airline ticket.
biggest discount air ticket is usually 70% off, 50% off is most common you can have. HSR is not expensive in general.
In Vietnam, you may have much lower price for air ticket. Then you prefer airline.




If you look at China`s airports, you will find bigger airports are usually better managed..
Probably big airport in Vietnam is worse than small airport.
the big airports always have more lines, more transportation, more facility more easy to use

Yes, ultimately it is the market that dictates all, travelers decide, not builders/financers.

People can choose from flying, HSR or driving, the more options the better for travelers to fit their ever changing needs. In my case, I use HSR frequently, sometimes I drive, sometimes I fly, whatever I feel convenient.

Economically speaking, take my usual Shanghai-Jinan ground distance 915km as example, the HSR passage is 50% cheaper than flying, 80% cheaper than driving. I invested on an apartment near KunShan station (昆山站) along the HSR, return on asset 35% over 2 years, less financing costs return on investment is 103%.

For builders/financers, crunch your numbers, as long as it gives good ROI, do it, otherwise forget it. Just bear in mind, in mega projects like HSR, economic benefits may come in form of (1) direct revenue in passenger and freights (2) land price/tax increase.