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7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

China's HSR is quite safe actually. They have had one major incident apart from that no hiccups. Obviously Shinkansen has better safety record, but we must also factor in here the quality of maintenance, running etc, which cannot be maintained to the standards of Japan by a developing Nation. Even if you bring Shinkansen there will be incidents in Vietnam, because the local expertise wouldn't be that great. On top of it Shinkansen is costly, and Japan has no experience building them in terrains like yours.

You should go with China, also blame quality on yourselves. In China you get what you've paid for. Bring quality contractors and builders.

In today's world no one comes close to the expertise of China in Infrastructure.
Who told you Japan never experience failure in their train? Are you one of those brainwash that believe in everything the West said? What do you think of the Amagasaki rail crash?
 
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Who told you Japan never experience failure in their train? Are you one of those brainwash that believe in everything the West said? What do you think of the Amagasaki rail crash?

As I read, he talking about HSR, and you are talking about traditional train.
 
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I have my own opinion about investment on Shinkansen in large scale.It's the idea of Vietnam PM who suggest that.
I protest. It's my right based on my own study.
Representatives of people in Congress said No to HSR from North to South. We could consider that decision of the people.

My idea:
1. Railway:
1st item: because Vietnam still has no 150-200kmph railway, Let's build it first. We hope we could travel a North to South by this within 12 -16 hours. This could be useful to cargo transport too. And the link to other ASEAN countries : Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia,
2nd item: Yes to HSR between heavy traffic metropolis , with maximum 2.5 - 3 hours of travelling. But after the 1st item done.

2. Airport:
I prefer medium airport with 15-20 million capacity in most region of Vietnam, minimum distance : 1 hour .
Private companies rushing for airplane purchase,
The future of Vietnam is ASEAN community so a developed air travelling is a must have.

3. Highway : could help to connect mobile cities and most of landmark, airport.
It seems u didn't consider the building cost ... comapred with Highway/Airport, the cost of building 200km/h High-speed railway is the most expensive ... ... for example China CRH cost 129million RMB (22million USD) per kilometer building, foreign HSR average cost 300million RMB (50million USD) per kilometer.

世行:中国高铁造价1.29亿/公里 国际上普遍超3亿

Current China CRH railways building cost about 100~123million RMB(22million USD) per kilometer
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A 1,000km railway as 200+km/h speed, it will cost total 129billion RMB (22billion USD) following China domestic building requirement, or will cost total 300billion RMB (50billion USD) following foreign HSR building requirement.

So for Vietnam developing, u'd better to build cheaper & good-quality HighWay / Airport first, later plan HSR when ur budget is ready. :coffee:

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@BoQ77
There's another problem coming, after throwing 20~50billion USD investment to build a 1,000km HSR railway in Vietnam ... How to make it earn profits & maintenance costs ?

Vietnam need millions of passengers each day to feed the HSR railway, like this in China:
 
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An update for that, South Korea govt ever suggest to give Vietnam for free the HSR between HCMC - Nha Trang, 366km, 8.5 billion , max operating speed 350kmph.

Another short route Hanoi - Vinh, nearly 300 km would be studied as well.

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@BoQ77
There's another problem coming, after throwing 20~50billion USD investment to build a 1,000km HSR railway in Vietnam ... How to make it earn profits & maintenance costs ?

Vietnam need millions of passengers each day to feed the HSR railway, like this in China:

In another topic, I asked this to Chinese members too. I doubt it too.

So it's needless to have a North to South HSR in near future, that's my point.

The most heavy load would be between Hanoi - HCMC which is over 1700km of distance, or 1,300km by air. So even we have 56 billion, we shouldn't put into HSR in near future. But air passenger.
What we want to bring a lot is the cargos, which is not suitable by HSR but traditional train
 
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An update for that, South Korea govt is to give Vietnam for free the HSR between HCMC - Nha Trang, 366km, 9.9 billion , max operating speed 350kmph.

Another short route Hanoi - Vinh, nearly 300 km would be studied as well.
In this world, there's not a free lunch ! LOL ... the Korean too. :D


In another topic, I asked this to Chinese members too. I doubt it too.

So it's needless to have a North to South HSR in near future, that's my point.
Here's my answer, huge money for HSR railways come from millions of Chinese passengers each day in different China cities.

Several waiting hall pics of China CRH in different city train stations, make sure Vietnam has the same market requirement: :coffee:
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See each day millions passengers of 1.3billion Chinese taking bullet trains , this huge market can feed our CRH railways.:cheers:
 
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In this world, there's not a free lunch ! LOL ... the Korean too. :D



Here's my answer, huge money for HSR railways come from millions of Chinese passengers each day in different China cities.

Several waiting hall pics of China CRH in different city train stations, make sure Vietnam has the same market requirement: :coffee:


See each day millions passengers of 1.3billion Chinese taking bullet trains , this huge market can feed our CRH railways.:cheers:

Tell me more details on this effective calculation?
How much for total investment, how many kilometer in total, and how many passenger travel in average everyday?
Appreciate your time to find for that from China source.

Yes, you agreed that a nation-wide HSR is not a must have for Vietnam.
With a 150kmph train, over a night, we could reach middle land for tourism, or over 1 hour if we choose airplane.

To reach a destination as Saigon, from Hanoi we would choose air passenger. 2 hours or less.
 
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Train-makers set for sales boost abroad

February 6, 2015

China is to take new measures to help its train-makers expand sales channels globally, government officials said on Thursday.

The support comes after the country saw the fastest growth in rail equipment exports and railway infrastructure projects in overseas markets last year.

Zhi Luxun, deputy director-general of the Department of Foreign Trade at the Ministry of Commerce, said China will quicken the pace of promoting its railway standards abroad.

It will also support rail equipment makers in widening their global services and production networks to compete with more established rivals in different regional markets.

To date, China has exported its railway technology to more than 30 countries and regions, including member countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, Argentina, Australia and the United States.

"Widening the international sales network and manufacturing bases in overseas markets can help Chinese train-makers to improve their localization abilities, as well as gaining political and public support through local employment," Zhi said.

China has seen railway equipment exports surge as industry leaders explore overseas markets.

Last year, the country's train-makers exported railway equipment worth 26.77 billion yuan ($4.36 billion), a year-on-year increase of 22.6 percent, according to the General Administration of Customs.

Chinese project contractors were involved in 348 international railway infrastructure construction projects in countries including Kenya, Thailand and Saudi Arabia last year, an increase of 48 percent from the previous year. They signed contracts worth $24.7 billion with clients worldwide.

The overseas expansion was led mainly by State-owned companies CNR Corp and CSR Corp, with their exports accounting for about 70 percent of the total value.

"Based on the World Trade Organization's rules, China will also combine this fast-growing industry with its rich financial resources to expand its capability to use foreign capital, such as supporting companies to issue bonds to raise funds overseas," Zhi said.


Assisted by the Ministry of Commerce and the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, the State Council is reportedly drafting a plan to further support the railway equipment industry to diversify overseas sales and service channels.

Zhou Zhencheng, commercial counselor at the Department of Outward Investment and Economic Cooperation at the Ministry of Commerce, said that even though China is a latecomer to the field, its rail equipment companies have thrived thanks to cost advantages and reasonable delivery times.

Last year, a contract for a Chinese-led consortium to build a high-speed rail line in Mexico was scrapped only days after it was signed.

Zhi urged the Mexican government to ensure the legitimate rights and financial interests of Chinese companies when dealing with problems caused by the decision.

Last Friday, Mexico said it had suspended the country's first high-speed railway project indefinitely as part of actions taken to cut this year's budget.

Zhi said, "China will continue to enhance the legal effect and details of investment protection agreements signed with various countries.

"It will offer more reports on the risks and financial barriers in overseas countries to Chinese companies to help their overseas expansion."

Demand for upgraded rail systems continues to rise in Eastern Europe, South America and Africa.
 
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Tell me more details on this effective calculation?
How much for total investment, how many kilometer in total, and how many passenger travel in average everyday?
Appreciate your time to find for that from China source.
@BoQ77 I remember u can read Chinese news ?

1. A 2010 old news, In next Five years (2010~2015) China government will invest each year 700billion RMB (120billion USD) to CRH railways building.
凤凰网:中国高铁建设未来5年每年投资额约为7000亿元


2. I recommend you to vist China government's CRH offical website: 高铁网:高铁时刻表及票价查询_网上订票_高铁票预订- Gaotie.Cn (only Chinese), here u can read latest CRH official news.


3. CRH official news, 2015.02.06 just in one day China CRH railways transported 6million Chinese passengers:
今天全国铁路预计发送旅客600万人次


4. CRH official news, the China had built World Longest HSR railway:
中国已成全球高铁投产运营里程最长国家
Only in 2014 year China CRH add 12x new high-speed railways, total 5,569 kilometers, total 178x HSR train stations, total cost 606billion RMB (100billion USD).
2014年12月31日,中国高速铁路新增线路12条,总里程5569公里,设车站178座,总投资额达6060.41亿元。


5. CRH official news, Future (to 2020) China CRH building plan:
2020年中国高速铁路总体规划及展望
According to China government's High-speed building plan《中国铁路中长期发展规划》, until to 2020 year China need to build total over 12,000km High-speed railways, and the train speed target to over 200km/h.
根据《中国铁路中长期发展规划》,到2020年,为满足快速增长的旅客运输需求,建立省会城市及大中城市间的快速客运通道,规划“四纵四横”铁路快速客运通道以及四个城际快速客运系统。建设客运专线1.2万公里以上,客车速度目标值达到每小时200公里及以上。


6. Current CRH railways map, the colorful lines mean current 200~300km/h high-speed railways ... the grey lines mean future China government plan to update to HSR.
CRH official High-speed railways map
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7. China High-speed Rail Industry Indepth Research and Investment Strategy Report, 2013-2017
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Hehe, you think only me think you are that kind of man, yes, I attack your comment, I am not that hypocritical like you.

Don't show you theory here again and again, Chinese more love HSR than Airline, you don't even know the advantage of HSR and Airplane well, here teach me which vehicle Chinese should choose, hehe, funny!

The Vietnamese are all ignorant,they even don't know what is HSR and They have not seen it; As we know ,HSR is more environmental,because it use electric power,and it can load more people than plane;Vietnamese don't have technology and money to built HSR;they even don't have money to maintain the bullet train and the high speed rail ; They are jealous
 
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The Vietnamese are all ignorant,they even don't know what is HSR and They have not seen it; As we know ,HSR is more environmental,because it use electric power,and it can load more people than plane;Vietnamese don't have technology and money to built HSR;they even don't have money to maintain the bullet train and the high speed rail ; They are jealous
agree with you
 
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