5th Gen Aircraft Maybe Impotent Against A Large Enemy W/out A Complimentary Heavy Strike Aircraft

[randomradio]

Let air strikes come to south india----less than 50 air strikes and all the foreign capital would be running out of the country.

My primary interest is not in your industry directly---my interest is to strike so that the foreign capital feel vulnerable and runs out of the country---. That is just the begining of the pain.

We don't have as much foreign capital in the country as you think. Our country is led by domestic consumption.

As for our outsourcing industry if you plan on airstrikes on American, EU, Middle East, Chinese companies and Indian companies that work for American and EU clients, then good luck. We'll see how long Pakistan will survive after that.

Here are all your potential civilian targets.

You haven't thought this through, have you? Your plan will definitely succeed. Foreign capital will flow out because then war will escalate and other countries, mainly the West, will want to join in for killing their nationals along with other civilians. Yeah, even foreigners work in those companies, it's not just us Indians there.

 

[Kurlang]

Hi,

1965---Asghar Khan calls indian chief and says if your air force don't fight I will order mine not to.

before 71 war---Bhutto asks the air force have the B57 canberra electronic surveillance aircraft fly over the kashmir and surrounding areas----air chief refused

71 war---report of missile boats being towed towards karachi---pia pilots reports to the tower---the tower calls paf----the coward base commander yessir---instead of flying an immediate mission to check out---calls the air chief---who orders to stand down---none of you traitors had the ballz to execute him----

F16 drama----turning down the hawkeye surveillance aircraft---paf says it is not worth it----oh it was---.

The mirages 3/5 were good enough for what russia was throwing at them in afghanistan----.

Paf pilots bragging about shooting down worthless russian aircraft and then strutting around----

going for the 2nd batch of F16's with cash and that also against the advise of many----sanctions on F16's

The mirage 2k purchase fiasco---the supposed buyer---was too honest---

no go with the m2ks----

sanctions come off---still the air force not ready to buy---says that there is no war with india so there is no reason to get an aircraft-----kept up the drama for 4 years---then stopped the purchase of a potent aircraft in 2005---stating earthquake


karachi base under attack---half a billion dollars planes destroyed---the base commander was had marriarge hall at the base---base security what????instead of being executed by a firing squad????

another base attacked ay kamra---another 1 /2 billion loss---another coawrd base commander---if it was not for one soldier---all the assets would have been destroyed---/

Would not recommend nishan a haider for that soldier who saved the base---but did recommend nishan a haider for the pilot who stopped his plane on the taxi way where he was not supposed to and let an illegal into the aircraft

the jf 17 drama----failed to recognize the problems in france regarding the electronics package---a major setback for the jf17 program---

another base attack in peshawar---air force not ready to protect its assets----.

the air chief brags on flying a mission killing 30 taliban---the taliban strike back and kill a minimum of 30 air force personal---what and idiot of an acm---.

After the first base attack---the base commander---the base security incharge and westernn command should have been executed by a firing squad

after the attack on kamra---the base commander----base security officer----the central command the air chief should have been executed by the firing squad---same after the thrid attack at peshawar----.

I guess the thrid attack would not have happend---because every body would have been on their toes after the first executions---.

15 years since the sanctions came off---a miniscule number of aircraft procured

the farud in the SA missile systems---

the mindset of the air force---' we are a defensive air force "---a big lie to the nation---

this fraud incompetence treachery is on the surface---the insider stuff---you would know better---.


It is just like the LAPD---the Los Angeles Police Dept----they are fcking butchers---will slaughter you in a heart beat---but then they have their spokes personal as well---nice and kind and genetle---" please show us where we went wrong " we are folowing dept policies---.

This frigging paf----one show in 1965---and has been milking the nation since then---.

Sir you nailed it. I have a question of you could shed some light on it. What do you think about the willingness of the Russians selling us the flanker series or may be su35 bomber. They have very strong strategic relationship with India

Secondly, do you think that the recent positive gestures by Russia are only to lure back India intomore defence deals

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir you nailed it. I have a question of you could shed some light on it. What do you think about the willingness of the Russians selling us the flanker series or may be su35 bomber. They have very strong strategic relationship with India

Secondly, do you think that the recent positive gestures by Russia are only to lure back India intomore defence deals

Hi,

Not really----Russia needs another way out to release the pressure just like china does---. That is why Pakistan is needed.

Could they sell the SU35 / 34's----it would depend on the urgency created by the PAF---.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

Not really----Russia needs another way out to release the pressure just like china does---. That is why Pakistan is needed.

Could they sell the SU35 / 34's----it would depend on the urgency created by the PAF---.

This always falls on deaf ears, but now my eyes hurt.

The Russians are not going to sell any fighter jets to Pakistan. They have confirmed that.
Ties with Pakistan not against India | Russia & India Report

I would also like to respond to the idle talk and pure invention of the media by reiterating that Russia has not discussed and does not have any plans to sell Su-35 aircraft to Pakistan.

Denis Alipov said this even though he wasn't asked about it. His rank is high enough to warrant skepticism.

You can see his name on the official Russian Embassy website also.
Diplomatic List

You will have to name at least one official who said anything about selling Su-35s to Pakistan.

The Russians are working with the Pakistanis and the Taliban to stop the spread of ISIS in Afghanistan. The Russians have even started funding the Taliban operating in the Northern Areas near Tajikistan. For this, PAF doesn't need fighter jets.

 

[Hamza913]

depends

On what?

 

[proud.pakistani]

In presence of modern SAM's don't you guyz think its next to impossible to use heavy strike aircraft's in enemy territory? I think for this purpose our armed forces are relying on missile systems like Babur cruise missile and other missiles we have in our arsenal.

 

[MastanKhan]

In presence of modern SAM's don't you guyz think its next to impossible to use heavy strike aircraft's in enemy territory? I think for this purpose our armed forces are relying on missile systems like Babur cruise missile and other missiles we have in our arsenal.

Hi,

Have any idea if you launch a Babur cruise missile from an aircraft flying at 25000 feet and at a speed of mach 1.5----how farther that missile would fly if launched from surface.

Or your anti ship missile CM400AKG or the Hatf V111----you could have them launched from standoff ranges because the target is being lit by your 5th gen aircraft.

The issue over here is grasping onto the idea and then latching onto it---.

The enemy already has heavies--it is waiting to get the 5th gen----.

You got nothing---except for lies that you get to hear from the air force---.

 

[Ark_Angel]

Hi,

Have any idea if you launch a Babur cruise missile from an aircraft flying at 25000 feet and at a speed of mach 1.5----how farther that missile would fly if launched from surface.

Or your anti ship missile CM400AKG or the Hatf V111----you could have them launched from standoff ranges because the target is being lit by your 5th gen aircraft.

The issue over here is grasping onto the idea and then latching onto it---.

The enemy already has heavies--it is waiting to get the 5th gen----.

You got nothing---except for lies that you get to hear from the air force---.

AOA.
I really appreciate your patriotism Sir Mastan Khan ( sir considering your rank and number of posts here). But procuring a heavy has not been as easy as it is for many other nations around the world. For PAF it has always been and the armed forces in general is Minimum Credible Deterrence. I have been following your posts lately and have utter respect for your knowledge and view points. There have been multiple STRATEGIC as well as tactical blunders on the part of the hierarchy but simply claiming that they should be sent to the firing squad is simply preposterous. Our Armed Forces in general have always been handicapped by lack of funds ( i wouldnt bring this up considering that aval of funds is not being discussed here) and a host of other issues. From being sanctioned by the west to natural disasters distorting our procurement plans its has never been an easy task sitting at the top as DG(P). Therefore as far as the wish of a heavy is concerned rest assured Mastan Sb an evaluation is already going on for a 4.5 Gen fighter by the boys in blue. It might take them some time but it is being done. You already have an interview of ACM last year claiming that we have options from both east and west. Requirements have already been raised by the three services cheifs lately and army has already started its procurements starting from its corps of Engineers. Therefore relax sir as your neighbour on the east has already spent most of its time fooling the world with its MMRCA drama. Wars are not only fought by the number of weapons or platforms one has but how they are employed and used.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

Have any idea if you launch a Babur cruise missile from an aircraft flying at 25000 feet and at a speed of mach 1.5----how farther that missile would fly if launched from surface.

Or your anti ship missile CM400AKG or the Hatf V111----you could have them launched from standoff ranges because the target is being lit by your 5th gen aircraft.

The issue over here is grasping onto the idea and then latching onto it---.

The enemy already has heavies--it is waiting to get the 5th gen----.

You got nothing---except for lies that you get to hear from the air force---.

Those missiles are not meant for supersonic launch.

 

[MastanKhan]

AOA.
I really appreciate your patriotism Sir Mastan Khan ( sir considering your rank and number of posts here). But procuring a heavy has not been as easy as it is for many other nations around the world. For PAF it has always been and the armed forces in general is Minimum Credible Deterrence. I have been following your posts lately and have utter respect for your knowledge and view points. There have been multiple STRATEGIC as well as tactical blunders on the part of the hierarchy but simply claiming that they should be sent to the firing squad is simply preposterous. Our Armed Forces in general have always been handicapped by lack of funds ( i wouldnt bring this up considering that aval of funds is not being discussed here) and a host of other issues. From being sanctioned by the west to natural disasters distorting our procurement plans its has never been an easy task sitting at the top as DG(P). Therefore as far as the wish of a heavy is concerned rest assured Mastan Sb an evaluation is already going on for a 4.5 Gen fighter by the boys in blue. It might take them some time but it is being done. You already have an interview of ACM last year claiming that we have options from both east and west. Requirements have already been raised by the three services cheifs lately and army has already started its procurements starting from its corps of Engineers. Therefore relax sir as your neighbour on the east has already spent most of its time fooling the world with its MMRCA drama. Wars are not only fought by the number of weapons or platforms one has but how they are employed and used.

Hi,

Thank you very much for your post----. As a car salesman and as a car sales manager----I can tell you with confidence that nothing works better than when someone lights fire under your ar-se---tears your head off and shoves it right up---.

That is when the good is seperated from the bad---. The good looks at himself---and says " you know what---I think I fckd up----I will do better---this is below my abilities and thank you for showing me the directions"---.

And what does the bad do----it hums and haws---it gets pis-sed off and yells and screams and wants to hide behind the facade.

The problem and issue over here is that no one has lit the air force's ar-se on fire---. Never has it happened---and when the ar-se is not lit on fire top down---the production goes down---the urgency goes down---.

These primadonas air marshalls need to be ripped another ar-sehole.

I guarantee everyone----you will see miracles happening in the paf----. Right now it is HUM DEE DUM---if it happens well and good--if it don't---aaiiiinnnnnn.

Indeed it is a tough job getting a 4.5 gen----. But if they cannot find something looking up---then they need to search for something looking down---.

Just because something did not pass their criteria 25 years ago---does not mean it will do the same now---.

Electronics technology has changed by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years---.

If the PAF can make something out of this diddley piece of sh-it the JF17 by putting a powerful engine and state of the art fire control radar and other electronics package---what is stopping it that it cannot do it to a JH7B---.

What pearls does the JF17 comes with that the JH7B cannot have----.

What do you think about the F7M----what was it before and then---35---60% better performance on the F7PG---and what was the limiting factor on the F7's---the size of the radar---due to the nose cone design and air induction----otherwise if it could take a regular sized fire control radar---the problem would be solved---( JF17 )

Natural disasters happen---there was no reason to redirect the funds for the F16 for that---. Those funds were to SAVE the nation---the air force had no right to to re-direct the spending of that money----that should only have been spent on the F16's.

It became a drama because they wasted 4 years in deciding what they wanted---.

I very much appreciate your presence on the board and taking the option to write and address me----but I tell you what---the car dealerships in the U S are run more professionally than the pakistan air force---.

Those missiles are not meant for supersonic launch.

Okay---then make a sub sonic launch on the babur----. Tomahwak is designed for sub sonic launches---it will still go 1 1/2 times the distance if not 2 times.

 

[ghazi768]

Hi,

Thank you very much for your post----. As a car salesman and as a car sales manager----I can tell you with confidence that nothing works better than when someone lights fire under your ar-se---tears your head off and shoves it right up---.

That is when the good is seperated from the bad---. The good looks at himself---and says " you know what---I think I fckd up----I will do better---this is below my abilities and thank you for showing me the directions"---.

And what does the bad do----it hums and haws---it gets pis-sed off and yells and screams and wants to hide behind the facade.

The problem and issue over here is that no one has lit the air force's ar-se on fire---. Never has it happened---and when the ar-se is not lit on fire top down---the production goes down---the urgency goes down---.

These primadonas air marshalls need to be ripped another ar-sehole.

I guarantee everyone----you will see miracles happening in the paf----. Right now it is HUM DEE DUM---if it happens well and good--if it don't---aaiiiinnnnnn.

Indeed it is a tough job getting a 4.5 gen----. But if they cannot find something looking up---then they need to search for something looking down---.

Just because something did not pass their criteria 25 years ago---does not mean it will do the same now---.

Electronics technology has changed by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years---.

If the PAF can make something out of this diddley piece of sh-it the JF17 by putting a powerful engine and state of the art fire control radar and other electronics package---what is stopping it that it cannot do it to a JH7B---.

What pearls does the JF17 comes with that the JH7B cannot have----.

What do you think about the F7M----what was it before and then---35---60% better performance on the F7PG---and what was the limiting factor on the F7's---the size of the radar---due to the nose cone design and air induction----otherwise if it could take a regular sized fire control radar---the problem would be solved---( JF17 )

Natural disasters happen---there was no reason to redirect the funds for the F16 for that---. Those funds were to SAVE the nation---the air force had no right to to re-direct the spending of that money----that should only have been spent on the F16's.

It became a drama because they wasted 4 years in deciding what they wanted---.

I very much appreciate your presence on the board and taking the option to write and address me----but I tell you what---the car dealerships in the U S are run more professionally than the pakistan air force---.




Okay---then make a sub sonic launch on the babur----. Tomahwak is designed for sub sonic launches---it will still go 1 1/2 times the distance if not 2 times.

I think you should better stick with advising about cars and their cons and pros rather than what fighters and bombers to be chosen by PAF. Your grasp of air war doctrine and BFMs look at best to be flimsy. Also unless you have served in PAF and do have first hand knowledge of such, the way you berate and blame PAF senior leadership is nothing but spreading dis-information and is shameful for this website to keep on permitting which calls itself 'Pakistan Defense Forum'.
Please let me know, how much is a chance of a fighter aircraft (in PAF/IAF scenario) turning on its radar unless it is on a CAP mission with no AWACS or ground radar coverage available? if it is stupid enough to do that and let say it is F-16 or Su30, how far away it will be detectable by old 60s era radar receivers?
if we actually decide to purchase JH7B or tornados which it is a clone of with all the cons such as allocating precious finances away from JF-17 project or building up f-16 fleet further, re-allocating/retraining ground staff/pilots, purchasing equipment for Maint & repair, etc. What benefits it will entail in range or payload over Block 50 with CFT?
Also being limited with payload to about 5-6G at best nor being able to run away when challenged, will it survive if in a merge lets not go worry about Su-30s, let just imagine Mig-21.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think you should better stick with advising about cars and their cons and pros rather than what fighters and bombers to be chosen by PAF. Your grasp of air war doctrine and BFMs look at best to be flimsy. Also unless you have served in PAF and do have first hand knowledge of such, the way you berate and blame PAF senior leadership is nothing but spreading dis-information and is shameful for this website to keep on permitting which calls itself 'Pakistan Defense Forum'.
Please let me know, how much is a chance of a fighter aircraft (in PAF/IAF scenario) turning on its radar unless it is on a CAP mission with no AWACS or ground radar coverage available? if it is stupid enough to do that and let say it is F-16 or Su30, how far away it will be detectable by old 60s era radar receivers?
if we actually decide to purchase JH7B or tornados which it is a clone of with all the cons such as allocating precious finances away from JF-17 project or building up f-16 fleet further, re-allocating/retraining ground staff/pilots, purchasing equipment for Maint & repair, etc. What benefits it will entail in range or payload over Block 50 with CFT?
Also being limited with payload to about 5-6G at best nor being able to run away when challenged, will it survive if in a merge lets not go worry about Su-30s, let just imagine Mig-21.

Son,

You first need to get out of this mindset that the paf knows best---the proof is in the pudding---they have deceived you for the last 50 years and because you do not have the comprehension to understand it----all you can do is sing their songs.

Think like a man---think like an adult---these comments that paf knows best tell me that you are basically hurt by the challenges thrown at those who you worship hard.

 

[Desertfalcon]

China is building it's own version of the Su-34 but it does not look like it has been in development for very long and who knows about potential exports?

China’s next super weapon: Is Beijing developing its own Su-34 fullback? – Asia Times

America and Russia are about the only two countries building any sort of deep strike aircraft at the moment. F-15E's & Su-34's.

 

[ghazi768]

Son,

You first need to get out of this mindset that the paf knows best---the proof is in the pudding---they have deceived you for the last 50 years and because you do not have the comprehension to understand it----all you can do is sing their songs.

Think like a man---think like an adult---these comments that paf knows best tell me that you are basically hurt by the challenges thrown at those who you worship hard.

I am grey haired and probably older than you so please do not try to patronise. Also I am neither in awe nor beholden to an kind of idols worship, asked you simple straight questions to gauge you competence in what you are professing.

 

[randomradio]

Okay---then make a sub sonic launch on the babur----. Tomahwak is designed for sub sonic launches---it will still go 1 1/2 times the distance if not 2 times.

Cruise missiles have boosters that take the missile to about mach 0.9 and then the turbofan kicks in to sustain the speed.

In case of air launched weapons, the booster is removed or the booster becomes very small. That's because the missile is already doing mach 0.9 when released from aircraft. So only the turbofan is necessary after that.

The range increase applies only to missiles that have a massive booster and will allow the missile to aerodynamically function at high supersonic speeds. As of now, those are only air to air missiles. And this is achieved at high altitudes. Subsonic cruise missile launches are normally done at medium and low altitudes and the missile itself descends down to skim the surface, so there won't be a significant gain in range.

If you want more range, you will just have to design a bigger and better missile than its land counterpart.