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No,no,the tr-580 is a Romanian improoved T55...not much improoved if you ask me tough.

The numbers i gave you were the ones our Armed Forces quoted this year as being "in use".They also say 500 T55's but speaking with an Army friend of mine,barely half can even start so that's why i'm not protesting at the 250 t55 number.The rest are working though-the t 580 and T85's in the numbers i gave .

wiki data on tr85 m1...i was a little bit curious on how you ranked it,you being an ex tank guy...especially if it can go toe to toe at least with an upgraded t72...i say it can't but many like to argue with me on it,especially on romanian forums.

TR-85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you have the time to give me an informed answer i'll be in your debt.:-)
I rated it similar to basic T-72, thanks to ERA, decent FCS and passive night vision (T-72 had active).

study more, do a PHD
Too old for this shyt :P
 
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Too old for this shyt
are you calling education "Shyt"? :o:
dont worry i agree with you :p
watch anime, it will be more happier than playing with Tanks and planes and missiles and other destructive shit
 
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I dont think its better. Al Khalid is derived from Type-88 (on pic) which is derived from T-55.

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T-90 is derived from T-72 like Type-98. They are more advanced tanks.

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The following is a comparison between the T-90S/ Bhishma MBT and the Pakistani Al Khalid. The T-90M, which the Indian Army will be receiving by the year's end is an improved version of the T-90 series with welded turret, V-92S2 engine and ESSA thermal viewer as opposed to the T-90S, which was a simplified export version with cast turret, R-173 radio, 1V528 computer and V-84-1 engine.

Crew

AL-Khalid = 3
T-90S = 3

Combat Weight

Al-Khalid = 48,000 kg
T-90S = 46,500 kg

Engine

Al-Khalid = 1200 horsepower
T-90S = 840 horsepower

Maximum Speed

Al-Khalid = 72 km/hr
T-90S = 65 km/hr

Maximum Range

Al-Khalid = 450 kms
T-90S = 500

Vertical Obstacle

Al-Khalid = 0.85 m
T-90S = 0.85

Fording

Al-Khalid = without preparation 1.4 metres
T-90S = without preparation 1.2 metres

Trench

Al-Khalid = 2.7 m
T-90S = 2.8 m


Armament

Al-Khalid

(main): 1 x 125 mm gun 125mm Smooth Bore, Chrome Plated, Auto fret aged
Circular Carousel Type: (Cassette Type) 22 Rounds / Minute 6-8

FCS/GCS : Type: Image Stabilized (3rd generation director type stabilization), Optics: LASER protected (coaxial): 1 x 7.62 mm MG
(anti-aircraft): 1 x 12.7 mm MG
Smoke grenade dischargers: 2 x 6, can also lay smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust outlets at the rear

GUNNER SIGHT : Type Integrated, Bi-axis Stabilized Day/Night, Tl, LRF
Magnification Dual, 3x & 1 Ox
Field of View 20° & 6°

COMMANDER SIGHT:
Type Panoramic,
Bi-Axis stabilized,

LRF, 2nd Generation IIT
Hunter-Killer Capability
Magnification 7.5x
Field of View 7 . 5
LRF : Type ND YAG
Range200 ~ 5000m
AUTO TRACKER: Tracking Error < 0.1 mils Interfaced with Gunner Day Sight & Tl


T-90S

1 x 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun with 43 rounds.
...............1 x 12.7mm NSVT anti-aircraft gun with 300 rounds. [1]
...............1 x 7.62mm PKT co-axial machine gun with 2000 rounds.
...............1 x 5.45mm AKS-74 rifle, carried on storage rack, with 300 rounds.[2]

[1] The 12.7mm NSVT, mounted on the commander's contra-rotating copula which can be aimed and fired under complete armour protection, uses the PZU-7 machine gun sight and the 1ETs29 (with vertical stabilization) machine gun FCS (Fire Control System).

[2] The locally-produced 5.56mm INSAS Assault Rifle will likely be used instead.


Smoke Grenade Launchers: Mounted either side of the turret is a bank of six electrically operated 81mm smoke grenade launchers which are in a new low-angle configuration compared to those fitted to earlier Russian MBTs. The quick forming aerosol screening system comprises the four laser radiation sensors (two coarse and two fine receiving heads), the Type 902A Aerosol Forming Grenade Launch System dispensing 81mm 3D17 aerosol grenades and associated controls. The aerosol screening system detects laser illumination, determines its direction and type (laser range-finder or designator), generates warning signals, both audio and visual, and lays in automatic or semi-automatic modes, quick forming aerosol screens within three seconds at a distance of 50 to 80 metres from the tank. In addition, the tank can also lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet located on the left side of the hull.

The 2A46M smoothbore gun is stabilised (Zhasmin 2E42-4 system) in two axes and is fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without a need for dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire various ammunition including APFSDS-T (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot - Tracer), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes. In addition it can also fire a special HE-FRAG projectile that can be detonated over the target using the tank's fire-control system. Maximum rate of fire is at 7 rounds per minute. The gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks-M (NATO: AT-11 Sniper-B) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 75 to 5000 metres and takes 14.2 seconds to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5 km. Hit probability is over 80%. The missile system fires either the 9M119 (3UBK14 weapon system) or the 9M119M (3UBK20 weapon system) missiles which have semi-automatic laser beam riding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4 kg. The gun's automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.

Self-Protection

The hull and turret are protected by both conventional armour-plating and the latest generation Kontakt-5 ERA which provides protection against APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) and HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) type projectiles. In addition to being fitted to the hull and turret, ERA panels are also fitted either side of the hull front to provide lateral protection to each side of the driver's compartment. The tank also has NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment. The TShU1-7 Shtora-1 countermeasures system is not fitted.

Fire Control & Observation

The T-90S has the 1A45T IFCS (Integrated Fire Control System) which is automatic, but has a manual override for the commander. The IFCS comprises the gunner's day/night fire-control system, gunner's IR sight or thermal imaging sight, and commander's day/night sight-observation system. The fire control system comprises day sight-rangefinder with missile guidance channel, armament stabilizer and ballistic computer. The system is used by the commander for gun and machine gun fire control.

Propulsion

The T-90S will be powered by a 1,000 hp V-92S2 four-stroke V-12 diesel engine. This new engine, fitted with a turbo-supercharger, offers impressive specific power and specific fuel consumption characteristics. The tank can carry up to 1600 litres of fuel in the main, armour plated fuel tanks and fuel drums. The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording (up to 5 metres of water) with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes. The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.

Miscellaneous Information

A new track has been developed and tested for the T-90S that not only has a longer life but also has replaceable rubber pads that can be quickly removed. Standard equipment includes NBC protection, fire detection & suppression system, nose-mounted dozer blade and a deep fording kit. The tank is fitted with an air conditioning system for operations in high ambient temperatures.



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Note; This comparison is b/w Al Khalid basic's variant not of Al Khalid-I or II.

I think u really need to have a look at this thread.

PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks

Al Khalid is actually based on Chinese MBT 2000 which is based on type 90 IIM.

This Type 90IIM actually based on T72 from chinese side.

Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

@Dazzler can tell more as he has worked for HIT who manufacture them.
 
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Nice work @500 ...Your Analysis are most of the time Factual and analytical without any jignoism or Bias..
 
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@500

Should export version of M1A2 in Egypt's Army be rated same as that of M1A2 in US Army. Afterall their Power plant and Armour is different.

The Egyptian M1 has the same power plant as its US counterpart. The Armour is 'downgraded', however, it remains classified, and the best guesses I have seen reckon that it has a variant of the Burlington armour which was present in the first models of the M1. Burlington armour was developed into Chobham for the Chally, either way, best guess is that the Egyptian M1 has the same armour characteristics as the M1A1HA, which was introduced a few years before Egypt started producing them.
 
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The Egyptian M1 has the same power plant as its US counterpart. The Armour is 'downgraded', however, it remains classified, and the best guesses I have seen reckon that it has a variant of the Burlington armour which was present in the first models of the M1. Burlington armour was developed into Chobham for the Chally, either way, best guess is that the Egyptian M1 has the same armour characteristics as the M1A1HA, which was introduced a few years before Egypt started producing them.


Does Egyptian M1A2's have turbine engines?

I read somewhere that they have diesel engines.
 
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^^Indian T-90Ms are equipped with 1000hp engines.
thats T90M version, and the name of engine is V-92S2 engine. But we r talking abt T90S/ Bhisma MBTs.

The best way to really judge a tank then that should be based on its firepower, maneuverability/mobility and protection.
 
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thats T90M version, and the name of engine is V-92S2 engine. But we r talking abt T90S/ Bhisma MBTs.

The best way to really judge a tank then that should be based on its firepower, maneuverability/mobility and protection.
Well only first 310 T-90s were S standard, rest all(around 600+ active and 700+ more to be delivered) are M standard which are also called as Bhishma. Also another deal regarding 350 T-90MS are expect to be signed with 1250hp engines.
 
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Well only first 310 T-90s were S standard, rest all(around 600+ active and 700+ more to be delivered) are M standard which are also called as Bhishma. Also another deal regarding 350 T-90MS are expect to be signed with 1250hp engines.

We r talking abt T90s version here which is produced in india as Bhisma MBTs. However this being said the comparison b/w AL and T-90 is from PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks and it was opened in 2009. So the comparison was b/w the existing T90S that indians had at the time. And in this thread 500 has compared T90S version with AK and has given AK less rating. So thats why i was proving my point b/w AK basic version and T90S version in which clearly AK has edge. Even in the first line of my post#48 it is mentioned that Indians will get update on their S versions back in 2009.
 
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Azerbaijan
339: 95 T-55; 244 T-72

Should add T-90S to the list. And the quantity of T-72 should be definetly higher, even during the 2000s a total of 264 T-72s were imported. I would guess the number at 400-500.
 
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Should add T-90S to the list. And the quantity of T-72 should be definetly higher, even during the 2000s a total of 264 T-72s were imported. I would guess the number at 400-500.
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@500
Yes, there are at least 94 T-90S tanks:
ВЕДОМОСТИ - Россия вооружает Азербайджан
T-90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, please also add Azerbaijan to the ranking list as well. You have forgot to add us to the list and only mentioned the number of tanks.
BTW, based on wikipedia, we have 542-636 T-72A, T-72B and T-72 Aslan tanks. So, please update this one as well.
T-72 operators and variants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
@500
our points would be:
95*0.2+(542 or 636 different T-72 reports)*0.45+94*1.1=19+227.64 or 286.2+103.4=350.04 or 408.6
 
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