27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[SIPRA]

(IQBAL)

 

[crankthatskunk]

i don't believe that India would make a play for Azad Kashmir.. that would definitely bring all out war. Both countries do not want all out war that is clear.
And referring to the nuclear option..... who in their right mind would use them unless in a dire, catastrophic situation.

Mark my words, India would attack Azad Kashmir. It may take over 2 years, at least, but it would happen.
As for nuclear weapons, I didn't say that nuclear option should be used, I said that the deterrence is lost. There should be no doubt about it. Time will prove it.

 

[HRK]

i don't believe that India would make a play for Azad Kashmir.

Actually India has exhaust all the available options on Kashmir after the attack on Balakot and so called annexation of Indian Occupied Kashmir with Indian State, nothing more is left for them to do anything more.

In any genuine or staged event [or series of events] Indian Neo-Nazi forces in alliance of the defence forces of India will face a catch-22 type situation in which either they have to respond beyond the borders of "Claimed Indian Territories" or have to lose the political clout in domestic theater otherwise they will lose basic "Differentiating Factor" of their Political Narrative in India. In any of that situation it is a possibility that they may choose to channel out the internal pressure towards the AJK.

 

[Path-Finder]

Sold us subpar and very next day offered india scorpian..the very next day offered us slightly uograded scorpian(when we went for U boats instead)...

And all three were ready at time of sale..

what? that is some f#cked up wheeling and dealing.

 

[War Thunder]

This is the message people here do not get. They had been swayed by the propaganda.
Pakistan is losing its deterrence completely. The only thing which stopped India for attacking Pakistan for over 25 years was nuclear hangover. They tested our response on 26th Feb 2019. We responded as they expected, dithering, bravado, verbal threats, which equal to "Abke Maar". But nothing substantial. True we attacked them on 27th Feb 2019, that's also because of the remarks IK made that Pakistan would have no other choice but to respond. If it wasn't down to IK's promise, we would have done nothing but issue a "stern warning" as usual, with the added salt of the oft repeating mantra " Pakistani armed forces" are willing and capable to defend the country against any aggression.

Now nuclear deterrence made redundant by Indians. They moved on to the next step of change in the special status of Kashmir. And those who are wrongfully thinking that is it. Should know for certainty India would attack Azad Kashmir, wait for it.

Yup, that's what people don't get.
The same so called deescalation has cost you Kashmir.
Let's give more chances to peace...

 

[Windjammer]

This statement of yours has answered all the critics as to why we did not go gung ho and bring down all the 9 fighters.
The questions one really needs to ask oneself is.
A. Are we in a position to have a full fledged war with India?
B. So what was the aim ofhaving this whole exercise? Was it to down IAF inventory or tech demonstration?
We have seriously underestimated the demoralizing effect of not knowing how the situation turned out so drastically bad for IAF? A fear of the unknown is a prime force in developing uncertainty while not provoking enough for the opposition to throw all caution to the wind and let loose with all it has at its disposal.
So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.
A

If you notice, I haven't replied to any of the members on the forum as in most cases it's like trying to......

so just enjoy the experts at their prime level.

 

[Areesh]

Yup, that's what people don't get.
The same so called deescalation has cost you Kashmir.
Let's give more chances to peace...

And how exactly it has costed us kashmir?

 

[Zane_K]

Mark my words, India would attack Azad Kashmir. It may take over 2 years, at least, but it would happen.
As for nuclear weapons, I didn't say that nuclear option should be used, I said that the deterrence is lost. There should be no doubt about it. Time will prove it.

I really hope not..

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.

Relax..nothing would have happened had we brought down a few more birds.Yes we shouldnt have targetted their chief but rest assured ,no strategic weapons would have come in play... there was no troop positioning from their end.as for air combat they were screwed..We would have given them a leeway to cover up just like we did in case of their ill-fated heli...*wink*wink*

 

[War Thunder]

And how exactly it has costed us kashmir?

They knew our response and how willing we were to escalate.
They didn't dare for all these years, but Feb 2019 helped them figure...

 

[crankthatskunk]

If you notice, I haven't replied to any of the members on the forum as in most cases it's like trying to......

so just enjoy the experts at their prime level.

Thank God for that, otherwise "Blind leading the Blinds" comes to mind.

 

[Windjammer]

Good stuff but this post only reveals structure of TDS and Ace plus name of the mysterious GIBS which now a lots of people already know.

Where's the classified information related to Swift Retort?

There were two other pictures attached as well, although on one i had to obscure all the details but there's enough material in the other to ponder about..... earlier elsewhere we did discuss such details as Spartan etc.

Thank God for that, otherwise "Blind leading the Blinds" comes to mind.

Then there's always, Mike the Headless Chicken.

 

[Sine Nomine]

This statement of yours has answered all the critics as to why we did not go gung ho and bring down all the 9 fighters.
The questions one really needs to ask oneself is.
A. Are we in a position to have a full fledged war with India?
B. So what was the aim ofhaving this whole exercise? Was it to down IAF inventory or tech demonstration?
We have seriously underestimated the demoralizing effect of not knowing how the situation turned out so drastically bad for IAF? A fear of the unknown is a prime force in developing uncertainty while not provoking enough for the opposition to throw all caution to the wind and let loose with all it has at its disposal.
So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.
A

At that time, at that day of 27th Feb 2019, your assessment fits in nowhere sir.With their principle BVR and VVR missiles,complete set of avionics of principle point defence fighter lying in Pakistani hands,one of their senior pilot who flew all of their assets and knew everything in out was getting debriefed, knowing that PAF can jam and listen us at any given time and every missile in our inventroy is outranged by Pakistanis i am 100% sure Bharat won't have tried anything,i support my argument by the fact that very next day Bharatis were looking for Missile strikes.Their AF probably after knowing these facts said Sorry we can't.
We just did what is known as "Appeasement" in diplomatic circles.If you think Bharat which aspires to be atleast a Policeman in Asia would forget images of Abhi,you are dead wrong Sir.

Mark my words, India would attack Azad Kashmir. It may take over 2 years, at least, but it would happen.
As for nuclear weapons, I didn't say that nuclear option should be used, I said that the deterrence is lost. There should be no doubt about it. Time will prove it.

Anyone who thinks wannabe Policeman of Asia can forget those images of Abhi,he is wrong.

 

[Bossman]

Rafale with Meteor and Spectra. I seriously doubt the effectiveness of DA 20 after Rafale is inducted as both are French but Rafale being the latest with Spectra which could mean it can easily interfere in operations of DA 20.
Yes Rafale with Meteor is a danger. They can lock and shoot and scoot especially on our F16s armed with AIM120C5s and JF 17 Block Is and IIs armed with SD 10s as both BVRs are lesser in range with Meteor. Can't say about Block 3 armed with PL 15 as PL 15 range is said to be greater than Meteor

You are suffering from the same disease as BS Dhonia, Rafalelitisis? Everything will be perfect once the Rafale lands in India. Also can you explain why most of your post represents the Indian point of view?

 

[SIPRA]

You are suffering from the same disease as BS Dhonia, Rafalelitice?

Rafalarrhea.