27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[BATMAN]

Sometimes you have to keep your egos from decision making. What you are suggesting would have guarantee 100% from IAF to strike back and Pakistan is not in a position to escalate the fight because conventionally regardless how hard Pakistan fights ultimately it will be their defeat because of India's tech and numerical advantage. The only reason keeping India away from Pakistan is its nukes. However in a short term war India will lose.
The only complain I have from PAF is its lack of evidence they have shown. In fact PDef provided all those information way before they did.. They did not provide mig-21 flight record data that would have cleared myths about abhi chasing after f-16 and shooting it down and lack of evidence when they say they shot down su-30.
Just alone this could have caused panic in India during 2019 election and use that situation for its advantage. But because of their way toooooo passive behavior caused them modi to look victorious among majority of indian audience.

Dude... war was already going on... it's on record that Iranian mafia was holding the permission to shoot enemy from beginning. Anyone can wonder what was the game plan.
Which was as simple as that, if Indians had upper hand, let the war proceed but if any moment Pakistan gain upper hand switch to peace mode.

war is ugly, must be avoided at any cost.

No disagreement on it... but not every one would agree as well.
We have officials here suggesting to nuke nations, where Pakistanis are living.

 

[Areesh]

They knew our response and how willing we were to escalate.
They didn't dare for all these years, but Feb 2019 helped them figure...

They made a change in their constitution which never mattered for us

So how exactly it costed us kashmir?

 

[Beast]

When I said any thing about Chinese EW on this thread?? Kindly don't misinterpret post here.

Always thinking western thing is the best while the best is already offered to Pakistan by the Chinese. You think french or Italy will see Pakistan as a bigger cake and offer u better things than Indian. You are deluding yourself. So many Pakistan bragging about Thales RC-400 radar for JF-17 10 years ago as better option and now still got some delude thinking adding french or Italy stuff will be better? What a wishful thinking. Even their jammer and AWACS system are second rated compare to offer by Chinese. No joke!

 

[BATMAN]

Other half of surprise was uncovered on PAF pilots, when they learned in middle of full blown air battle that they may not fire at hostile boogies.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sometimes you have to keep your egos from decision making. What you are suggesting would have guarantee 100% from IAF to strike back and Pakistan is not in a position to escalate the fight because conventionally regardless how hard Pakistan fights ultimately it will be their defeat because of India's tech and numerical advantage. The only reason keeping India away from Pakistan is its nukes. However in a short term war India will lose.
The only complain I have from PAF is its lack of evidence they have shown. In fact PDef provided all those information way before they did.. They did not provide mig-21 flight record data that would have cleared myths about abhi chasing after f-16 and shooting it down and lack of evidence when they say they shot down su-30.
Just alone this could have caused panic in India during 2019 election and use that situation for its advantage. But because of their way toooooo passive behavior caused them modi to look victorious among majority of indian audience.

Hi,

Did not realize the answer was in my signature---.

" The Battle Belongs To Us---The Victory Belongs To Allah ".
" Price of SUCCESS is ALWAYS too high, but PRICE of COWARDICE is HIGHER".

war is ugly, must be avoided at any cost.

Hi,

Wow---muslims were conquerers and invaders through out the history---. What happened to their children---????

Cowardice is uglier---. You pay a heavier price for it---.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

war is ugly, must be avoided at any cost.

There is a time , place and a position to say that.Not when your enemy is huddling around you.
I strongly object what Ik said in the parliament on passing of 370 that we cant go to war over this.There was no reason for him to even bring this up.

They made a change in their constitution which never mattered for us

So how exactly it costed us kashmir?

You are right...however you should know they are planning to make demographic changes..If Pakistan lose the trust of Kashmiris here it will be over before you even know..

 

[crankthatskunk]

It should be the enemy who should fear the uncertainty not the other way around, imagine what would have happened had the Prophet peace be upon him shown restrain by not marching to Makkah when Abu Sufyan showed up on his door step?, when you know you have tactical superiority you take decisive decision otherwise the victory is hollow, now I would not say that the PAF is coward that is idiotic thinking, PAF went in at noon in response to a night time strike but I do fear that we are lacking in understanding our enemy, they will never accept peace with us, they want to destroy us completely, I want the think tanks up at the top to understand this that the war of annihilation is inevitable and if we think we have the maximum tactical advantage to take out this enemy we should take it, no more half measures and de-escalation at that critical venture.

@MastanKhan
I agree 100000%.
I have been advocating that dithering by PA has to stop, right now right here.
Indians want to destroy us. What part of it doesn't get through the thick skin of people!!

Are you going to understand when there is nothing to defend!!
They are encroaching gradually on every aspect. Stop them right now, before it is too late.

No one is idiot enough here to not understand Indian motives. However, IN PEACE TIMES IF YOU DESTROY ENEMY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR OWN LAND IT IS CONSIDERED AN ACT OF WAR. It would most certainly have elicited a response and the consequences would have been dire. You would also have lost out on the narrative front on account of unprovoked aggression. If Pakistan got decimated in the subsequent war even then there may not have been much reason for the worldto intervene barring traditional lip service. To win a war you must chose tofight the right battle at the right timeand place. All 3factors were not in your favour. You have reserves borrowed from2 countries to bolster your economy and you want to wage a war with a country with revenues around 450 billion dollars. And to top it all off acountry full of Munafiqeen is expecting Allah to send his Nasr on you. SubhanAllah.

A

I am sick and tired of this thinking , a defeatest mind.
When the Indians attack us on 26th would they have hesitated if PAF jets try to stop them in Pakistan's own airspace!!

Boy oh boy.

 

[Ultima Thule]

@MastanKhan
I agree 100000%.
I have been advocating that dithering by PA has to stop, right now right here.
Indians want to destroy us. What part of it doesn't get through the thick skin of people!!

Are you going to understand when there is nothing to defend!!
They are encroaching gradually on every aspect. Stop them right now, before it is too late.



I am sick and tired of this thinking , a defeatest mind.
When the Indians attack us on 26th would they have hesitated if PAF jets try to stop them in Pakistan's own airspace!!

Boy oh boy.

oh boy what do you want from PA and PAF to start full fledged war with India and doom

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan
I agree 100000%.
I have been advocating that dithering by PA has to stop, right now right here.
Indians want to destroy us. What part of it doesn't get through the thick skin of people!!

Are you going to understand when there is nothing to defend!!
They are encroaching gradually on every aspect. Stop them right now, before it is too late.



I am sick and tired of this thinking , a defeatest mind.
When the Indians attack us on 26th would they have hesitated if PAF jets try to stop them in Pakistan's own airspace!!

Boy oh boy.

Hi,

The face of your enemy is always right in front of you in your own ranks---. They are our own and have sold the whole that war is only a losers cause---

It should be the enemy who should fear the uncertainty not the other way around, imagine what would have happened had the Prophet peace be upon him shown restrain by not marching to Makkah when Abu Sufyan showed up on his door step?, when you know you have tactical superiority you take decisive decision otherwise the victory is hollow, now I would not say that the PAF is coward that is idiotic thinking, PAF went in at noon in response to a night time strike but I do fear that we are lacking in understanding our enemy, they will never accept peace with us, they want to destroy us completely, I want the think tanks up at the top to understand this that the war of annihilation is inevitable and if we think we have the maximum tactical advantage to take out this enemy we should take it, no more half measures and de-escalation at that critical venture.

Hi,

I have not said anything about it before but let me clear it---. Paf chose the "easy way" daylight strike---.

I mean to say that they were not walking towards the enemy camp that they would fear to be recognized---.

The recognition is done by the electronic eye---be it day time or night time---.

So---this myth of day light strike needs to be busted---. Night strikes are way more difficult and need more precision and capabilities---.

No one is idiot enough here to not understand Indian motives. However, IN PEACE TIMES IF YOU DESTROY ENEMY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR OWN LAND IT IS CONSIDERED AN ACT OF WAR. It would most certainly have elicited a response and the consequences would have been dire. You would also have lost out on the narrative front on account of unprovoked aggression. If Pakistan got decimated in the subsequent war even then there may not have been much reason for the worldto intervene barring traditional lip service. To win a war you must chose tofight the right battle at the right timeand place. All 3factors were not in your favour. You have reserves borrowed from2 countries to bolster your economy and you want to wage a war with a country with revenues around 450 billion dollars. And to top it all off acountry full of Munafiqeen is expecting Allah to send his Nasr on you. SubhanAllah.

A

Hi,

This supposed TT member is totally clueless about what happened---either out of ignorance or out of cowardice---.

Here in the USA---in the news media most people who commented on the news were stating it as a declaration of war BY INDIA ON PAKISTAN first by crossing the border---second by making a weapon strike.

This was the case all over the world---. But this supposed pakistani guy is claiming that it was not and it was peace time issue---.

And this man is a senior most Think Tank member of this board and determining the policy of this forum as well---.

How much struggle he is putting in declaring the indian act of war as a peaceful gesture---the reader can be the judge---and then he is putting the fear of the world in us---" wow---what a great muslim warrior he is "---.

 

[ziaulislam]

We had a valid excuse for the war... and by not doing so we just sunk the philosophy of being independent state.. just empty words.

Just watch the international rewards for Imran Khan, ever since the great relief of 27th February.

War needs one thing which was true 10,000 years ago and even today ..money..
Where was the money ..
Pakistan was at defualt ..
India mean while has 500b+ in reserves..
We lost the war before it even started ..

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi.

Here is a link to a most recent scam that got prevented by a Sardar taxi driver---.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/16/us/taxi-driver-prevents-scam-trnd/index.html

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

Did not realize the answer was in my signature---.

" The Battle Belongs To Us---The Victory Belongs To Allah ".
" Price of SUCCESS is ALWAYS too high, but PRICE of COWARDICE is HIGHER".



Hi,

Wow---muslims were conquerers and invaders through out the history---. What happened to their children---????

Cowardice is uglier---. You pay a heavier price for it---.

Ok, so i c where you are going... dont compare Muslim empire with muslim nations of today which are nothing but creation of british empire.... those two are two different things. Back then Muslims were powerful now what is left is muslims divided from within. The state of muslim today is all time bottom tier of muslim's history.... we are many of us but bunch of cowards!! Pakistan is in NOOOOO position to invade Afganistan let alone India!
The best solution for Pakistan is to first break chains of British masters systems.... grow at least trillion dollar economy and at least $50 billion defense budget only then Pakistan can dream about invading India...
Shooting down 5 heck even 10 fighters does not give you the right to even dream about invading! this is utter nonsense!

There is a time , place and a position to say that.Not when your enemy is huddling around you.
I strongly object what Ik said in the parliament on passing of 370 that we cant go to war over this.There was no reason for him to even bring this up.

The best thing Pakistan can do for itself today is forget about IOK with 15 million muslims and worry about its own 250 million muslims first! Its like your ammi abu worrying about their doooooooorrr kay restay wallay kay bacho ki education, jobs, family matters while their own kids are struggling to survive (this is just an example so dont get offended).

 

[Nomad40]

LEAR HOW TO FIGHT YOU GUYS

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

The best thing Pakistan can do for itself today is forget about IOK with 15 million muslims and worry about its own 250 million muslims first! Its like your ammi abu worrying about their doooooooorrr kay restay wallay kay bacho ki education, jobs, family matters while their own kids are struggling to survive (this is just an example so dont get offended).

Nice since you didnt have a proper response to the argument you resorted to third class analogies.They are not dur kai rishtaydar,they are right next to us geographically..And who told you its just about the people..

If thats so forget about Palestine as well.
This is cowardice..nothing more....

 

[araz]

@MastanKhan
I agree 100000%.
I have been advocating that dithering by PA has to stop, right now right here.
Indians want to destroy us. What part of it doesn't get through the thick skin of people!!

Are you going to understand when there is nothing to defend!!
They are encroaching gradually on every aspect. Stop them right now, before it is too late.



I am sick and tired of this thinking , a defeatest mind.
When the Indians attack us on 26th would they have hesitated if PAF jets try to stop them in Pakistan's own airspace!!

Boy oh boy.

I will only respond to the post relevant to my post. For your information if the PAF narrative is true then they not only hesitated but ran away on the 26th when confronted by PAF. Their armaments were off target primarily because they were not fed the right coordinates.
At the end of the day every action hhas a desired effect. What we have done has had the necessary requisite effect in that the IAF will think twice before venturing into our air space. This was what was desired and achieved. The IAF fighters were a bonus and we had to resort to internationally accepted norms to keep the upper hand.
A