27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[PakShaheen79]

Hi,

If Imran Khan had a say in the mission---then that was bad planning by the air force---.

Seems like maybe the Paf wanted an excuse just to get out---because previously they did not even want to confront the indian air force---because no damage was done.

These types of decisions are pre planned---. There is an interview of MM Alam on youtube---. All actions are decided beforehand.

If an issue comes up---the battle commander in the air takes charge and makes the on spot decision---.

There was an indecisive coward in the command chain who did not have the ballz---.

Did you ever hear comparing oranges with apples? You just did that. 65 was a declared war by both sides when on 7th Sep MM Alam shot down those 5 planes. He was executing war plans he had practiced for. 27 Feb 2019, India did everything to indulge Pakistan into an open and protracted conflict. We thwarted their multiple attempts within the span of few days through our conventional deterrence. Pakistan AF/Navy were in position of inflecting more losses to their Indian counterpart but wisely restrained after getting an upper hand. They made Sun Tzu proud instead of repeating past mistakes!

Now that indecisive coward thing you mentioned ... .Sir, let us recall that it was PAF which told us about those 9 locks and just 2 clearances of firing. So, doesn't matter how you interpret it, PAF had the confidence to reveal the truth to the nation. Here again, it was made certain that pilots don't take matters into their hands and make mistakes similar to made by Abhinondone. It was a controlled execution as per PLAN. An AVM was flying along with younger pilots (well, younger than him) ... what you think he was doing there? Sitting in cozy bedrooms and repeating same mantra over and again is easy, living through hell of war is not. For reference, read what happened to those, suffering from PTSD and other scars of wars, returned to US after "winning" in Afghanistan and Iraq. And if winner are faced with such predicament, I think one can easily guess about the situation in which losers suffer the affect of wars!

Lastly, no air force bomb a bigger enemy in broad day light without having ballz ...

Our real problem is "Aata Gond-di Hildi Kiyo Ae" ...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

@MastanKhan
What would have been consequences had PAF shot down more jets like you suggest?
Would IAF had been forced to retaliate and the situation might have got out of hands?

 

[litman]

@MastanKhan
What would have been consequences had PAF shot down more jets like you suggest?
Would IAF had been forced to retaliate and the situation might have got out of hands?

in that case he would have returned to his homeland and fought along side his countrymen till last breath.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan
What would have been consequences had PAF shot down more jets like you suggest?
Would IAF had been forced to retaliate and the situation might have got out of hands?

Hi,

Seeing their top notch aircraft going down in flames would have been a shocker for the enemy---.

All the myth created around their mighty " elephants of war " would have come crushing down---.

Can you just imagine the reaction when the " Chicken Little " just smothered your " Master Blaster "---.

Their would have been shock and damaged and frayed nerves---uncertainty---panic---fear---disbelief at what had happened---how did it happen---it could not have happened---.

This is the upteenth time the decision made in cowardice by the Paf has pulled victory from the hands of the enemy and made it into a defeat---.

Now why is Paf creating a hullah bullah about the 27th---to divert the attention of the pakistani public---lest anyone question their cowardice and indecision---at the moment of truth---.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

Seeing their top notch aircraft going down in flames would have been a shocker for the enemy---.

All the myth created around their mighty " elephants of war " would have come crushing down---.

Can you just imagine the reaction when the " Chicken Little " just smothered your " Master Blaster "---.

Their would have been shock and damaged and frayed nerves---uncertainty---panic---fear---disbelief at what had happened---how did it happen---it could not have happened---.

This is the upteenth time the decision made in cowardice by the Paf has pulled victory from the hands of the enemy and made it into a defeat---.

Now why is Paf creating a hullah bullah about the 27th---to divert the attention of the pakistani public---lest anyone question their cowardice and indecision---at the moment of truth---.

You're coward and thinking senselessly, you want to throw millions of people into full fledged war or may nuclear war, think logically

 

[m52k85]

I am generally with @MastanKhan and @crankthatskunk .

Nothing like a good tight slap to the enemy. History is witness to that.

Pakistanis must understand the nuclear overhang concerns India more than us, let that sink.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

You're coward and thinking senselessly, you want to throw millions of people into full fledged war or may nuclear war, think logically

It should be the enemy who should fear the uncertainty not the other way around, imagine what would have happened had the Prophet peace be upon him shown restrain by not marching to Makkah when Abu Sufyan showed up on his door step?, when you know you have tactical superiority you take decisive decision otherwise the victory is hollow, now I would not say that the PAF is coward that is idiotic thinking, PAF went in at noon in response to a night time strike but I do fear that we are lacking in understanding our enemy, they will never accept peace with us, they want to destroy us completely, I want the think tanks up at the top to understand this that the war of annihilation is inevitable and if we think we have the maximum tactical advantage to take out this enemy we should take it, no more half measures and de-escalation at that critical venture.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Seeing their top notch aircraft going down in flames would have been a shocker for the enemy---.

All the myth created around their mighty " elephants of war " would have come crushing down---.

Can you just imagine the reaction when the " Chicken Little " just smothered your " Master Blaster "---.

Their would have been shock and damaged and frayed nerves---uncertainty---panic---fear---disbelief at what had happened---how did it happen---it could not have happened---.

This is the upteenth time the decision made in cowardice by the Paf has pulled victory from the hands of the enemy and made it into a defeat---.

Now why is Paf creating a hullah bullah about the 27th---to divert the attention of the pakistani public---lest anyone question their cowardice and indecision---at the moment of truth---.

Hi,

The issue over here is not me---it is you people---. You don't read books---. Read history of wars---read books written by non pakistanis---.

Sher Shah Suri a great warrior---a great leader---the moment he dies---the army is lost---.

In good old days---before the start of the battle---champions of each army would challenge the champions of the other army to do a one on one---.

The side that succeeded in these encounters would get the upper hand---. The persians stopped starting the battle in that manner when their champions got taken out by the arabs---.

Now---if we had taken out their champion---not one not two not three but five six and seven---their would have been chaos in the enemy's HQ---.

The shock and wonderment of what the JF17 could do would have bewildered a fickle enemy to run itself into the ground---.

You kids would have understood this phenomenon if you had read history---.

Wars are won and lost on the behavior of the few---you start to create panic amongst the top echelons of the enemy heirarchy---indecision and panic would follow thru right to the bottom---.

10 years from now---all of you naysayers would be wishing we had done this on the 27th---.

 

[litman]

some words of advice for keyboard warriors.

 

[Zowais]

A- For a moment, let’s go your way and shoot down 8 IAF jets (wreckage falling on indian side). How do you see things moving on?
1- Indians not reacting at all?
2- Indians going up the escalation ladder.
3- Or you think they would have reacted in some other way.

B- what ending of the conflict you think would have been good enough for Pakistan? How likely you think it would have been to achieve that ending?

Hi,

Seeing their top notch aircraft going down in flames would have been a shocker for the enemy---.

All the myth created around their mighty " elephants of war " would have come crushing down---.

Can you just imagine the reaction when the " Chicken Little " just smothered your " Master Blaster "---.

Their would have been shock and damaged and frayed nerves---uncertainty---panic---fear---disbelief at what had happened---how did it happen---it could not have happened---.

This is the upteenth time the decision made in cowardice by the Paf has pulled victory from the hands of the enemy and made it into a defeat---.

Now why is Paf creating a hullah bullah about the 27th---to divert the attention of the pakistani public---lest anyone question their cowardice and indecision---at the moment of truth---.

 

[araz]

It should be the enemy who should fear the uncertainty not the other way around, imagine what would have happened had the Prophet peace be upon him shown restrain by not marching to Makkah when Abu Sufyan showed up on his door step?, when you know you have tactical superiority you take decisive decision otherwise the victory is hollow, now I would not say that the PAF is coward that is idiotic thinking, PAF went in at noon in response to a night time strike but I do fear that we are lacking in understanding our enemy, they will never accept peace with us, they want to destroy us completely, I want the think tanks up at the top to understand this that the war of annihilation is inevitable and if we think we have the maximum tactical advantage to take out this enemy we should take it, no more half measures and de-escalation at that critical venture.

No one is idiot enough here to not understand Indian motives. However, IN PEACE TIMES IF YOU DESTROY ENEMY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR OWN LAND IT IS CONSIDERED AN ACT OF WAR. It would most certainly have elicited a response and the consequences would have been dire. You would also have lost out on the narrative front on account of unprovoked aggression. If Pakistan got decimated in the subsequent war even then there may not have been much reason for the worldto intervene barring traditional lip service. To win a war you must chose tofight the right battle at the right timeand place. All 3factors were not in your favour. You have reserves borrowed from2 countries to bolster your economy and you want to wage a war with a country with revenues around 450 billion dollars. And to top it all off acountry full of Munafiqeen is expecting Allah to send his Nasr on you. SubhanAllah.

A

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

Seeing their top notch aircraft going down in flames would have been a shocker for the enemy---.

All the myth created around their mighty " elephants of war " would have come crushing down---.

Can you just imagine the reaction when the " Chicken Little " just smothered your " Master Blaster "---.

Their would have been shock and damaged and frayed nerves---uncertainty---panic---fear---disbelief at what had happened---how did it happen---it could not have happened---.

This is the upteenth time the decision made in cowardice by the Paf has pulled victory from the hands of the enemy and made it into a defeat---.

Now why is Paf creating a hullah bullah about the 27th---to divert the attention of the pakistani public---lest anyone question their cowardice and indecision---at the moment of truth---.

you still did not answer the point "what would IAF retaliation be" because they were not going to sit idle. Its IAF that is pulling victory from defeat by claiming imaginary F-16 kill so they are able to eat up Mig-21 loss. But when 5 or 10 of their fighters would have been shot down and that in their own air space then they would have defiantly retaliated with their full force.

in that case he would have returned to his homeland and fought along side his countrymen till last breath.

everyone is a arms chair warrior until they step into the battle.
No disrespect to mastankhan.

 

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[MastanKhan]

A- For a moment, let’s go your way and shoot down 8 IAF jets (wreckage falling on indian side). How do you see things moving on?
1- Indians not reacting at all?
2- Indians going up the escalation ladder.
3- Or you think they would have reacted in some other way.

B- what ending of the conflict you think would have been good enough for Pakistan? How likely you think it would have been to achieve that ending?

Hi,

That would have been the Israel 1967 moment for pakistan---.

Indian psyche would have been smashed to a pulp---.

Seeing their mighty SU30MKI and M2K's going down in flames against the JF17's would have run shock waves thru the enemy ranks---.

That alone would have rankled the enemy's nerves bad to the breaking point.

That would have created uncertainty---indecision---chaos---panic---you name the fear and it would have evolved in the enemy GHQ---.

It would be like a Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston moment---it would be like Khabib vs the Irish guy moment---a total shocker---a total disbelief---a moment when hands brains body go numb in total and utter fear---.

You would have been screaming to the world that is what will happen when you kill our 300 children going to school---.

Pakistanis are dumb fools and their military generals are on the top of the list---.

They are clueless as to what the reaction of the american and european public would be---. These dumb fools need to start approaching the american public and european public rather than building good relations with their counter parts and american senators and congress---.

Amrican public is tired of indian call center scams---. 100's and 100's of million of dollars of retired americans and europeans has been scammed by these indian goons---yet the dumb pakistani generals are clueless in how to tackle the enemy---.

The enemy has put its weaknesses on a platter for pakistan to manipulate---and all these generals are interested in getting admission for their kids in the US and green cards and residency for their families---.

 

[PakSword]

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