27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[ghazi52]

 

[Jackdaws]

what do you think ? will modi get away if he didn't do anything ? will he be able to satisfy the anger of Indian public to save elections ?

Modi is many things. He is not stupid. Many Indians including I are hoping he loses the election. But yes, pressure on him by the opposition is only going to ratchet up. In India, there is usually unity in times of such attacks across party lines. Modi broke that rule when he went to Bombay during 26/11 and deeply criticized Manmohan Singh. The shoe is now on the other foot.

 

[Zarvan]

I am not at liberty to discuss operational matters, all I am permitted to say is that multiple assets were used to monitor Indian movement all across the indian peninsular.

A close ally is helping.

Sir what I am asking is How much they came in today and in which sector

 

[The wheel of time]

Don't we have SAMS? You see a plane you shoot it down. Whats good is scrambling??

were you able to shoot down our mig25 back in 97?

 

[ziaulislam]

Why didn't shoot them? Who cares about scrambling or what, they intruded and went back unharmed, remember how they shot Pakistan Navy plane in late 90's killing many personal on board, but here we are just scrambling.

A fighter can pomp in and leave within 30seconds

 

[Zarvan]

Don't we have SAMS? You see a plane you shoot it down. Whats good is scrambling??

Even the short range SAM are not placed just after the fence if India just comes close to fence it would be called intrusion

 

[Jackdaws]

Sure is, I said it before... I lost someone on that flight and it hurts badly. Our sovereignty is not for sale.

I am really sorry to hear that. It's been many years, but I am sure it must have been terrible.

 

[The Diplomat]

were you able to shoot down our mig25 back in 97?

Mig-27 & Mig-21 in '99, plus a chopper.

 

[ZAC1]

Jet sounds in gujranwala

 

[The Diplomat]

I am really sorry to hear that. It's been many years, but I am sure it must have been terrible.

I'm just hoping history doesn't repeat itself, I would do anything to avoid a war. Pakistan & India need more trade between each other to reduce these situations, prime example being France & Germany. Thank you for your condolences.

 

[Clutch]

Indian aircraft violate LoC, go back after PAF immediately scrambles: ISPR

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Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations Major-General Asif Ghafoor. - ISPR/File

Indian military planes violated the Line of Control (LoC), Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations Major-General Asif Ghafoor said on his official Twitter account early on Tuesday.

Maj-Gen Ghafoor in his tweet said "Indian Air Force violated Line of Control", following which "Pakistan Air Force immediately scrambled" and Indian aircraft went back.

"Details to follow," the military spokesman said towards the end of his tweet.


Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor

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https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1100179216375693318

Indian Air Force violated Line of Control. Pakistan Air Force immediately scrambled. Indian aircrafts gone back. Details to follow.


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Ties between Pakistan and India have been tense since a suicide bombing in occupied Kashmir killed over 40 Indian soldiers, with New Delhi blaming Pakistan of being complicit in the attack — a charge Islamabad has denied vehemently and from the get-go.

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In response to India's allegations, Prime Minister Imran Khan promised New Delhi to conduct an investigation if provided “actionable evidence” but also warned that Pakistan will "retaliate" if attacked. The Pakistan army has also warned India to avoid "any misadventure", saying it could have dangerous consequences.

On the other hand, while Jaish-e-Muhammad had claimed responsibility for the attack, New Delhi immediately blamed Islamabad and also announced that it would launch a diplomatic offensive to isolate Pakistan in the international community.

Furthermore, India has scrapped the Most Favoured Nation status granted to Pakistan and has imposed a 200 per cent customs duty on its goods, barring the exports of tomatoes to Pakistan and denying visas to Pakistani athletes.

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The international community has expressed alarm over the situation and as Delhi is ratcheting up regional tensions, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has also cancelled his scheduled official trip to Japan.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Modi is many things. He is not stupid. Many Indians including I are hoping he loses the election. But yes, pressure on him by the opposition is only going to ratchet up. In India, there is usually unity in times of such attacks across party lines. Modi broke that rule when he went to Bombay during 26/11 and deeply criticized Manmohan Singh. The shoe is now on the other foot.

I think that even Govt was not anticipating that reaction or rhetoric used by the media , they have riled up the people to the point that now they want war and blood nothing less, and as you say Modi set different standards for his tough stands, so now he can not afford to look weak . we may disagree on the Surgical strike but one thing for sure that in India people believe it and now they don't even want another surgical strike they want a full scale war which i think even your army is little hesitant in starting .

 

[Signalian]

The update of my previous threads:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/top-43-air-forces-based-on-plane-quality-and-quantity.357783/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/22-top-airforces-based-on-plane-quality-and-quantity.162974/

Fleet numbers are from Flight International WAF 2019.

View attachment 541764

https://www.flightglobal.com/asset/26019/waf

Air/Ground points:

F-16C = 1/1
F-16A = 0.7/0.8
F-16AM = 1/0.8
F-16A OCU = 1/0.9
F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2
F-15A = 1.2/0.5
F-15C = 1.3/0.5
F-15E = 1.4/1.5
F-15S = 1.3/1.4
F-15SG = 1.5/1.5
F-18A = 1/1.1
F-18C = 1.05/1.15
F-18F = 1.3/1.3
F-2 = 1.3/1.2
F-16AM = 1/08
F-22 = 3/1
F-35A = 2.5/2.5
F-35B = 2.3/2.2
Mirage 2000 = 1/1
Typhoon (MESA radar) = 1.4/1.1
Rafale (PESA radar) = 1.3/1.2
Tornado IDS = 0.5/1.2
Tornado ADV = 1/0.6
F-4 = 0.3/0.6
F-4 Terminator = 0.6/1
Su-27 = 1.2/0.4
Su-27SM = 1.3/0.8
Su-35 = 1.4/1.2
MiG-29 = 0.9/0.5
MiG-29SMT = 1/1
Su-30MKI = 1.3/1.2
Su-30MKK = 1.2/1.2
MiG-21 aka J7 = 0.25/0.35
MiG-27 = 0.2/0.7
JF-17 = 0.9/0.8
AMX = 0.2/0.5
Mirage F.1 = 0.7/0.8
Mirage 3/5 = 0.25/0.35
Jaguar = 0.2/0.6
F-5 = 0.25/0.35
J-20 = 2.7/1
J-10 = 1/1
J-8 = 0.6/0.4
JH-7 = 0.5/1.1
Q-5 = 0.1/0.4
H-6 = 0/2

T-22M3 = 0/3
Tu-95 = 0/6
Tu-160 = 0/8
B-1B = 0/9
B-2A = 0/10
B-52H = 0/6.5

E-3, Phalcon, KJ-2000, Boeing 737 = 8/2
Saab, KJ-200 = 6/1.5
E-2C, ZDK-03 = 4/1

jet, A400 tankers = 2/6
KC-130, H-6 tankers = 1/4

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Fleet numbers:

Australia

54 F-18A
24 F-18F
6 Boeing 737 AEW&C
6 A-330 tanker
Algeria

13 MiG-25
32 MiG-29
23 Su-24
58 Su-30MKA
3 Il-78MT
Belarus
39 MiG-29
68 Su-25
Belgium

52 F-16AM
Brazil

47 F-5E
55 AMX
5 Erieye
2 KC-130H

China

235 J-10
10 J-20
99 Su-30MKK
223 Su-27 and J-11
24 Su-35
96 J-8
388 J-7 (MiG-21)
70 JH-7
118 Q-5
120 H-6 (Tu-16)
5 KJ-2000
16 KJ-200
8 IL-78 tanker
10 H-6 tanker
Chile

46 F-16A
11 F-5E
1 797 AEW
2 KC-130 tanker
6 KC-135 tanker

Canada

77 F-18A
2 A-310 tanker
4 KC-130
Denmark

44 F-16AM

Egypt

50 F-16A
168 F-16C
19 Mirage 2000
13 Alpha Jet
54 MiG-21 & J-7
75 Mirage V
7 E-2C
17 Rafale
15 MiG-29M
Finland

62 F-18C/D
1 C285 AEW

France
101 Rafale
137 Mirage 2000
4 E-3
14 KC-135
1 A330 tanker
2 A400 tanker
Germany

122 Typhoon
62 Tornado IDS
28 Tornado ECR
4 A310 tanker
2 A400 tanker

Greece

93 F-16C/D
60 F-16C block 52+
42 Mirage 2000
33 F-4E Icarus
4 Erieye
India
229 Su-30MKI
61 Mirage 2000
66 MiG-29
44 MiG-27ML
134 MiG-21Bis
160 Jaguar
3 Phalcon AEW
7 IL-78MKI
10 Tejas

Iran

24 F-14
20 MiG-29
9 Mirage F1
17 F-7
88 F-4E
47 F-5
23 Su-24
7 Boeing 707 tanker

Iraq

26 F-16IQ
25 Su-25
10 L-159

Israel

12 F-35A
25 F-15I
41 F-15 C/D
17 F-15 A/B
99 F-16I
124 F-16C/D
2 G550 AEW
9 KC-707 tankers
4 KC-130 tankers

Italy

88 Typhoon
61 Tornado IDS
14 Tornado ECR
40 AMX
4 KC-767 tankers
4 KC-130 tankers
6 F-35
2 G550 AEW
Japan
87 F-2
200 F-15C/D
72 F-4E
4 E-767 AEW
13 E-2C AEW
4 KC-767
1 KC-130
9 F-35

Jordan

44 F-16A MLU
Kazakhstan
20 Su-27
25 MiG-29
29 MiG-31
12 MiG-27
3 MiG-23
13 Su-24
14 Su-25

South Korea

59 F-15K
123 F-16C/D
44 F-16C block 52+
60 FA-50
71 F-4E
158 F-5E
4 Boeing 737 AEW

North Korea
35 Mig-29
56 Mig-23
26 MiG-21
120 F-7
97 F-6
106 F-5
80 H-5
34 Su-25
18 Su-7

Malaysia
18 Su-30MKM
13 MiG-29
8 F-18D
13 Hawk 208
4 KC-130 tanker

Netherlands

68 F-16A OCU
2 KDC-10

Norway

55 F-16AM
9 F-35

Oman

12 Typhoon
23 F-16C
10 Hawk 203

Pakistan

98 JF-17
13 F-16ADF
45 F-16A/B OCU
18 F-16C block 52+
69 Mirage III
90 Mirage V
136 F-7
4 Erieye AEW
4 ZDK-03 AEW
3 Il-76 tanker

Peru

19 MiG-29
9 Mirage 2000
18 Su-25
24 A-37
Poland

48 F-16C block 52+
31 MiG-29
32 Su-22

Russia

60 MiG-31
109 MiG-31BM
65 Su-27
68 Su-27SM
126 Su-30
75 MiG-29
50 MiG-29SMT
110 Su-24
112 Su-34
195 Su-25
59 Tu-22M3
62 Tu-95
16 Tu-160
10 A-50 AEW
19 Il-78 tanker
78 Su-35

Saudi Arabia

72 Typhoon
78 F-15C/D
70 F-15S
24 F-15SA
81 Tornado IDS
2 Saab 2000 AEW
5 E-3 AEW
7 707 tanker
6 A330 tanker
9 KC-130 tanker

Singapore

40 F-15SG
40 F-16C
20 F-16C block 52+
1 A330 tanker
4 G550 AEW
4 KC-135 tanker
5 KC-130 tanker

Sweden

95 Gripen
2 Saab 340 AEW
1 KC-130 tanker

Switzerland

30 F/A-18C
36 F-5E
Spain

64 Typhoon
72 F-18A
1 A400 tanker
5 KC-130 tanker

Syria

20 MiG-29
2 MiG-25
87 MiG-23
51 MiG-21
40 Su-22
20 Su-24

Taiwan

55 Mirage 2000
140 F-16AM
128 F-CK-1
25 F-5E
6 E-2C

Thailand

11 JAS 39
14 F-16ADF
39 F-16A OCU
34 F-5
18 Alpha Jet
2 Saab 340 AEW

Turkey

211 F-16 C/D
34 F-16 block 50+
49 F-4 Terminator 2020
4 Boeing 737 AEW
7 KC-135 tanker

UAE

77 F-16E
57 Mirage 2000
2 Saab 340
3 A-330 tanker

UK

117 Typhoon
21 Tornado GR4
6 E-3 AEW
9 A330 tanker
12 F-35B

USA

287 A-10
30 AC-130J/U
59 B-1B
19 B-2A
74 B-52H
239 F-15C
219 F-15E
940 F-16C
178 F-22
31 E-3
398 KC-135
59 KDC-10
65 MC-130
46 F-35A

Ukraine

21 MiG-29
24 Su-27
12 Su-24
13 Su-25

Uzbekistan

30 Su-27
39 MiG-29
20 Su-25

Vietnam
35 Su-30
11 Su-27
35 Su-22

Venezuela

23 Su-30MK
16 F-16A
1 707 tanker


================================================

Final points:

1) USA - 13217
2) Russia - 3596
3) China - 3233
4) India - 1677
5) Saudi Arabia - 1390
6) Japan - 1340
7) Israel - 1298
8) South Korea - 1190
9) Turkey - 1051
10) France - 1037

11) Taiwan - 979
12) Pakistan - 872
13) Egypt - 862
14) UK - 782
15) Germany - 735
16) Greece - 726
17) Italy - 698
18) UAE - 521
19) Singapore - 520
20) Spain - 513

21) Australia - 429
22) North Korea - 378
23) Algeria - 374
24) Iran - 366
25) Sweden - 309
26) Canada - 283
27) Syria - 279
28) Poland - 251
29) Thailand - 247
30) Norway - 227

31) Kazakhstan - 223
32) Netherlands - 217
33) Finland - 215
34) Uzbekistan 192
35) Chile -189
36) Vietnam - 185
37) Brazil - 169
38) Malaysia - 155
39) Belarus - 151
40) Belgium - 146

41) Ukraine - 142
42) Switzerland 141
43) Jordan - 128
44) Venezuela - 128
45) Denmark -128
46) Oman - 121
47) Iraq - 97
48) Peru - 92

IAF points 1677 and PAF points 872....

The reason these numbers, aircraft quantity and aircraft quality are meaning less because in reality, IAF had to turn back and flee when PAF approached it.

 

[Jackdaws]

I'm just hoping history doesn't repeat itself, I would do anything to avoid a war. Pakistan & India need more trade between each other to reduce these situations, prime example being France & Germany. Thank you for your condolences.

Even I hope there is no war. Lives lost on either side would be terrible. I know Pak can't hand over guys like Jaish and LeT to India because they were once strategic assets. I just wish they would prosecute them though on their own soil. They can't poosibly good for Pak itself and for its image.

oh yeah yeah, I too have beaten four of your guys when i was in kuwait and till the time i lived there the entire chota pakistan locality lived in fear. maybe we can meet someday for a duel.

Both of you bring your keyboards to the fight.

 

[The Diplomat]

oh yeah yeah, I too have beaten four of your guys when i was in kuwait and till the time i lived there the entire chota pakistan locality lived in fear. maybe we can meet someday for a duel.

Both of you acting childish.