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27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

R-73 selected was the last message delivered by Mig 21 before crash.
R-73 is heat seeking WVR missile and can't be jammed by electronic counter measures.
All missiles of mig21 shown. How the message delivered when communication was jammed. He was not able to listen to ground instructor for returning but magically he was able to send back the communication in one way communication in mid of a claimed dog fight.

Lolz

Lets agree to disagree, No pakistani will agree f16 was down How much ever proof there is.

Pakistan got mig 21 at the cost of, India got kashmir.

Topic closed.
There is no evidence. There is nothing to disagree about.
 
All missiles of mig21 shown. How the message delivered when communication was jammed. He was not able to listen to ground instructor for returning but magically he was able to send back the communication in one way communication in mid of a claimed dog fight.

Lolz


There is no evidence. There is nothing to disagree about.

Okay Pakistan lost karshmir at the cost of third generation mig 21.

Good deal
 
Lets agree to disagree, No pakistani will agree f16 was down How much ever proof there is.

Pakistan got mig 21 at the cost of, India got kashmir.

Topic closed.

Only Indiots believe PAF lost F-16 while rest of the world defence community disagree with Indian propaganda.
Btw it took India 71 years to claim Kashmir while Pakistani Kashmir has been on our side for the past 72 years.
Congratulations for occupying on Kashmiri's land forcefully.

Okay Pakistan lost karshmir at the cost of third generation mig 21.

Good deal

You can imagine it which ever way you want.
 
Okay Pakistan lost karshmir at the cost of third generation mig 21.

Good deal
Wakeup kid read history ... first of all complete Kashmir was never part of Pakistan as the decision was to be made by plebicite which never happen.

We went a short with u in 1948 and snatch half of it from u.

Secondly on IOK we had no control and we still dont so whatever legal changes u Indians made doesnt means anything to Pakistan. Kashmiri are srill fighting for freedom and we still support them. So keep dreaming.
 
Lets agree to disagree, No pakistani will agree f16 was down How much ever proof there is.

Pakistan got mig 21 at the cost of, India got kashmir.

Topic closed.

What a delusional thing to say.

Please name ONE reputable neural source that can confirm your claim an F-16 was shot down. I can provide at least 10 neutral sources that laugh at your claims.
 
Lets agree to disagree, No pakistani will agree f16 was down How much ever proof there is.

Pakistan got mig 21 at the cost of, India got kashmir.

Topic closed.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

This is clearly an effort to hide your humiliation but it won't work. India didn't get a single inch of Kashmir in 2019 more than what it already had since 1948. Pakistan humiliated India, the world media literally called it "an humiliating episode for India" when we bombed your military targets, shot down your jets, paraded your wing commander on national tv, and caused you to shoot down your own heli in utter panic.

There is no way to spin this, no matter how hard you try. PAF, as always, dominated the inferior iaf and iaf tucked its tail in its own arsehole and backed off without escalating the conflict further after PAF owned it in the skies.

Don't worry, whatever small part of Kashmir you have will also be taken away from you---just like superior Muslims have taken away vast territories from 'Dharmic' incels throughout the centuries. Infact, just in 1947---16% of Muslims took away 25% of Indian landmass and all you could do is to bitch constantly. Its a long war that your Muslim masters have been winning non-stop---you are only losing territory, and getting reduced in the process. This will continue (Hindus are already down from 85% to 79% in their last remaining homeland :lol:)
 
All missiles of mig21 shown. How the message delivered when communication was jammed. He was not able to listen to ground instructor for returning but magically he was able to send back the communication in one way communication in mid of a claimed dog fight.
No, ground controller could hear him loud and clear. And that is why the female ground controller kept warning him to go cold till the end.
 
No, ground controller could hear him loud and clear. And that is why the female ground controller kept warning him to go cold till the end.

I thought ground controller job was to guide through radar screen. Don't she guide the pilot by looking at ground based radar activity?

By the way which type of jamming it is that the communication at receiving end is jammed but the same frequency is open for outgoing communication. Interesting science.
 
By the way which type of jamming it is that the communication at receiving end is jammed but the same frequency is open for outgoing communication. Interesting science.
You are overestimating scope of PAF jamming on 27th feb.
Abhinandan's wing man could hear ground controller warning and paying heed to it returned back to safety in time.
 
You are overestimating scope of PAF jamming on 27th feb.
Abhinandan's wing man could hear ground controller warning and paying heed to it returned back to safety in time.
Yes Abhi wing man could heard him because he left him to be taken down. Furthermore, jamming of radio frequency is limited to an area and Abhi was in the area so all incoming and outgoing frequencies would have jammed for abhi whereas his deserter wing man was far away from danger zone was communication with ground controller.

But if you still insist that Abhi could not hear the incoming signal due to jamming but at the same time and same place can send back the signal then please explain the science behind it.
 
  1. A strike force of 24 PAF jets headed towards Indian airspace, of which at least 10 violated Indian airspace. Of those, 3 F-16s, one of them known to be an F-16D Block 52, were designated to head towards ground bombing on the Nanga Tekri forward base. The other 7 were a support package, with extra air support across the border.

2. IAF scrambles 2 Bisons, 3 Mirages and 3 Su-30 MKIs to counter the threat. The PAF strike package drops their laser guided bombs in anticipation of a dogfight which hit the military compound on the Indian side without any casualties or damage to infra, and these F-16s turn around and start "going cold" so that they can lure IAF jets into an ambush where the IAF can be outnumbered.

3. The more "nimble" but "not strategic" IAF assets (in other words, more expendable jets, the MIG and the Mirage) are asked to chase the PAF out but NOT engage. Seeing the IAF on their tails, F-16s perform evasive positioning to start the dogfight - this is where the helmet mounted sights of the PAF come in handy. The MIGs continue to chase and one of the wingmen asks Abhi to turn cold as well. Abhi refuses and locks on a PAF F-16 : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ocked-on-to-pak-f-16/articleshow/68238027.cms




4. Abhi shoots the R-73, it is a clean kill - 2 parachutes come out of the downed PAF jet : unlike other jets which would have exploded like a fireball, the F-16 is known to be a vertical dart (shoots straight for the ground, as it did in the video post the hit).https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/86-seconds-of-dogfight-at-900-kmph/736286.html




5. Before Abhi had shot the R-73, an AMRAAM was launched by the helmet mounted sight of the PAF jet, before it started the countermeasures to avoid the R-73 - this was not sufficient, and hit the engine (the R-73 is heat seaking). This AMRAAM hit Abhi's jet at 15,000 ft in India : he ejected after realising that the plane cannot be controlled. The winds took him 7km into Azad Kashmir. The PAF jet was shot 3 km in Azad Kashmir. The winds carried the PAF pilots further inside Azad Kashmir.

6. In another part of the same conflict theatre, a Su-30 MKI was locked on by another PAF jet in a BVR space : the Sukhoi deployed very effective countermeasures and positioned itself offensively (but this positioning takes time) - by this time, the PAF jets turned back as bombs had already been dropped. The AMRAAM does not self-explode, rather, is triggered by a proximity fuse, so it either hits a target, or does not, loses it's fuel, glides to the ground and detonates. This is the same missile that was presented as evidence. Link : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...aam-missile-remnants/articleshow/68225187.cms




7. Now, coming to what I have mentioned the "PAF jet" all throughout - I think it was most definitely a F-16D. There are 2 things that nail this : one is most definitely the AMRAAM evidence that IAF had. Watch from 10:00 mark on this video.


- the JF-17 has the avionics to fit only PL-5 or the SD-10 Chinese A2A missiles. The second most pressing evidence here is the fact that IAF gathered the electronic signature of the F-16 - this may be classified information (as it would be against a friendly country to disclose what an F-16 looks like on radar), but that is what ELINT operations are for : the IAF has taken part in enough Air Exercises with Israel, UK, Australia, Singapore and Japan to know what radar, infrared and satellite signatures look like. Also, just because our jets cannot fly within 10km of the LoC does not mean that our radars do not capture their signatures and PAF does not capture our signatures. PAF too would be aware of exactly what we are carrying. These electronic signatures are very hard to decoy (there are these things called MALDs which have matured in testing in the last two decades and can spoof enemy radar with anything ranging from bombers to fighter jets, but I do not think that PAF has procured them). Link -



8. Now, my last point : the supposed "second Indian downed jet " : Pakistan has a habit of one-upping India in the international media, even if untrue. If two IAF jets were indeed shot down and one jet flew back to India, news of it would have spread here too. I suspect the claim that PAF made that 2 IAF jets were downed was part PsyOps and part fog of war (probably ISPR did not know that the "3 parachutes in total" did not mean 3 jets, 2 IAF, 1 PAF, but rather, 1 PAF (2 pilots) + 1 IAF). If the 2nd IAF jet was at all gliding into Azad Kashmir, then Pakistan would have definitely paraded the second pilot as well in the international media. Nor would IAF come to a secret agreement with Pakistan on hiding the identity of the second pilot. It is not in their nature to keep things quiet between each other. Another video highlighting all of JF-17's inventory :




I hope this was more informative for you, because I was on this for 2 hours. Jai Hind.

EDIT 1 : For all those asking "how Pakistan can counter the fact that their F-16 was shot down / AMRAAM was used" : they cannot. Also, US / West cannot counter and accept the fact that they got beaten by a third gen 60s fighter, so please do not believe the misinformation spread by them too.
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my God!!
So there are people who still believe in that F-16 shot shit?

ANALYSTS from around the world including India have debunked that lie! No point to keep ranting about same old BS lies.

Read this thread:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/myth...dian-lies-exposed-again.605903/#post-11227714

If you have any thing sensible to add please share there. Else, try to start living with the fact that IAF got spanked that day. :)
 
You are overestimating scope of PAF jamming on 27th feb.
Abhinandan's wing man could hear ground controller warning and paying heed to it returned back to safety in time.

Thank you for saying that.

Interestingly, this publicity advert of IAF right outside the road which goes to HAL and Aakash vihar colony reiterates a principle

"Colleagues share food, Wingmen share fate"

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This principle is also carved right outside the training directorate of IAF flying wing,

Considering how Alpha 2/3/4/5 and Avenger 2 buzzed out leaving their wingman behind. Looks like your pilots are 'not' living the values of IAF after all.:D
 
Thank you for saying that.

Interestingly, this publicity advert of IAF right outside the road which goes to HAL and Aakash vihar colony reiterates a principle

"Colleagues share food, Wingmen share fate"

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This principle is also carved right outside the training directorate of IAF flying wing,

Considering how Alpha 2/3/4/5 and Avenger 2 buzzed out leaving their wingman behind. Looks like your pilots are 'not' living the values of IAF after all.:D

It seems like the Indian Airforce also shares Tea with its enemies...
 
Thank you for saying that.

Interestingly, this publicity advert of IAF right outside the road which goes to HAL and Aakash vihar colony reiterates a principle

"Colleagues share food, Wingmen share fate"

View attachment 632869


This principle is also carved right outside the training directorate of IAF flying wing,

Considering how Alpha 2/3/4/5 and Avenger 2 buzzed out leaving their wingman behind. Looks like your pilots are 'not' living the values of IAF after all.
Both Avenger 1 and Avenger 2 faced a volley of multiple AMRAAM and successfully dodged them.
 

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