1971, a story of fear, loss and hope

[Centaur]

Ottoman empire has nothing to do with us or our history. Same with other caliphates. Rather Pala Empire, Bengal Sultanate, Mughal rule, British rule and Pak rule are our history. So lets not feel connected to them(Arabs and Turks, the Caliphates) when they themselves don't feel connected to us. If being more Islamic is being more developed than I have no problem BD going that way. Although it seems the opposite. 7-8 centuries ago Islam was a uniting force. It put aside sectarianism and focused on education and Muslim ruled areas prospered. But what do we see today? First word of Quran that came to prophet was "Ikra" means study...yet mullahs today oppose education. Muslims fight each other in the name of Islam itself.

I don't need the Nazi nationalistic history or deceving fake patriotism .
If Muslims fighting in the name of islam,that doesn't degrade Islam .Islam is far more Superior to any individual.

I was born as Muslim , living as practicing Muslim and want to die as practicing muslim. Forget about mullahs i am not a mullah or islamist,but just a common practicing Muslims.so I don't care what mullahs are doing .
If we have history with Pakistan then we were the front line Pakistani .and this concept was based on Islam.
Muslims were fighting each other since the rashidun caliphate , but that doesn't mean that we have to think about pala empire instead of ottomans.
And forget ottomans , Mughal empire was Co existed with ottoman empire for centuries .
So here only relation is Islam .So ottoman had nothing to do with Islam, Mughal had nothing to do with Islam those types of words are just wahabi propaganda.i request you not to fall prey under their trap.
Thank you.

 

[Spring Onion]

You did not answer my question.

How many Pakistanis would accept Bangla as their language at that time (or even today if it was majority language)? And if they would not - then why?

local languages cannot be majority in anyway in any country with diverse population in subcontinent. For example here in Pakistan lets say Punjab has more population than other provinces and Punjabi speakers are majority but imposing any such provincial language will not serve the purpose even of Punjabis. In the same length for years people have been doing politics here in my province in the name of Pashto and Pashtuns but again even when Pashto was included as medium of education in some parts of KPK majority of us opted for Urdu and English. Urdu was neutral language and not ETHNIC one so it was the better option then going for Bengali or Punjabi or any other regional language. Even in Bangladesh, Bengali being main official language is not the way to future progress in coming eras. You will be more and more inclining towards English. anyway Language was not the issue. THis linguistic nationalism was adopted by your politicians to divide and gain own political goals. On part of West Pakistan, the biggest mistake or injustice on our part was NOT to let the majority party from East Pakistan to form government. It had nothing to do with any bias or hate towards East Pakistanis or Bengalis. The same political tug-war is going in Pakistan when small provinces hardly are let to form government at center by certain political families.

 

[Centaur]

Our education system don't teach us to hate Pakistan either.

It does. Pakistani army is raider (hanadar) , rapist all are the products of our education system ,why can't you confess the truth ?
The so called rape victims are increasing from 2 lakh to 6 lakhs now and is going to cross 1 million soon.

All are pakistan hating propaganda , why don't confess ?
It's our bloody politicians used the popaganda against a country that was once a part of the Pakistan concept ; the concept of Homeland for indian Muslim, concept of two nation.now they are still holding the two nation honor and we are trying to erase it, we are forgetting that the theory was born in Dhaka. Are we ashamed of our Muslim identity?

Here in Bangladesh some craps are trying to potray two nation theory as a blunder and conspiracy of jinnah.You know about them, don't you?

No body remember that mujib was an activist of this theory .
Everything in Bangladesh is just fabricated .every teaching regarding Pakistan period is just bs , and now even they trying to propogate that two nation theory was a blunder .
We should not forget our indian Muslim brothers who are living subhuman life under modi.

Muslims would be begging if no Pakistan (joint)
Was created based on two nation theory.

 

[suresh1773]

Disagree! There would have been widespread religious violence like Indian Punjab 1984, Hindus massacring Sikhs, 1992 destruction of Babri Masjid, Gujurat 2002 Guhurati Muslim massacer.

U are writing as if Pakistan is peaceful now. U have bomb blasts,attacks on Shias,ahmediays,Christians. What about political violence and target killings in Karachi. What about the recent protest by Islamic extremists who had blocked the road for 2 weeks and even forced the law minister to resign.

We should not forget our indian Muslim who are living subhuman life under modi.

What about the Hindus of Bangladesh who r living a decent life. Recently many Hindu temples were attacked and their houses burned.

 

[Centaur]

What about the Hindus of Bangladesh who r living a decent life. Recently many Hindu temples were attacked and their houses burned.

We strongly blame who did this massacre.bangladesh govt already paid them(victims) and searching for those criminals.
No sane person can do this.but govt isn't doing this like indian hindutva govt is doing .
Common hindus are very safe and living a happy life in Bangladesh .
But hindutva vadis were trying to spread hatred between the two nations

 

[Samurai_assassin]

You did not answer my question.

How many Pakistanis would accept Bangla as their language at that time (or even today if it was majority language)? And if they would not - then why?

I can't answer your question as I was not alive in 1971, however I would rather ask you the plight of the Bangladeshis in Karachi today? Are they facing elimination like the Rohingyas or are they living amoungst other ethnicities in Pakistan without facing discrimination? Are they forced to stop speaking their language?

U are writing as if Pakistan is peaceful now. U have bomb blasts,attacks on Shias,ahmediays,Christians. What about political violence and target killings in Karachi. What about the recent protest by Islamic extremists who had blocked the road for 2 weeks and even forced the law minister to resign.


What about the Hindus of Bangladesh who r living a decent life. Recently many Hindu temples were attacked and their houses burned.

most of the violence started because of the US occupation and trouble in neighbouring Afghanistan. Prior to this there was never any violence against any minority. If you bothered reading the above statement you would have a much better understanding of my comment. Living as a United India would never be secular rather religious inspired violence would erupt like the recent case of a Hindu burning alive a Muslim man, murdering for eatin beef.

 

[vikata]

'Ghar ka bhadi lanka dhaye' - you got traitors and fools on your side and got pleasure you wanted. It is fact - majority in BD defied two nation theory - but there an ancient region called money - some people worship it. Sometimes murder walk free from court but it doesn't mean the murder never happened. Two nation theory was fact and India should be thankful because the communal violence might have divided India much more if partition hadn't happened earlier and it would not have been limited to Hindus and Muslims. Anyway, disregarding us - I'm more than happy and thankful my investors moved Pakistan leaving their everything behind for Pakistan, let's wait for a couple of decades to be exactly sure about whether two nation theory have any reality on part of your minorities.

PS: Any historical legend quoting my message above and asking me study history should enlighten us by answering the questions instead of 'Traditional Bhashan'.

keep your rant to yourself no body gives a @#$% what you think
a nation governed by the brutal dictator without any check and balance of the parliament,judiciary
heck not even bothering about the sentiment of the people
it was waiting to be happen
what do you think people of bangladesh would have accepted punjabi as their master
never
wait for the couple of decades who knows you might again be in for some surprise

 

[Samurai_assassin]

keep your rant to yourself no body gives a @#$% what you think
a nation governed by the brutal dictator without any check and balance of the parliament,judiciary
heck not even bothering about the sentiment of the people
it was waiting to be happen
what do you think people of bangladesh would have accepted punjabi as their master
never
wait for the couple of decades who knows you might again be in for some surprise

keep your rant to yourself no body gives a @#$% what you think
a nation governed by the brutal dictator without any check and balance of the parliament,judiciary
heck not even bothering about the sentiment of the people
it was waiting to be happen
what do you think people of bangladesh would have accepted punjabi as their master
never
wait for the couple of decades who knows you might again be in for some surprise

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was an ethnic Sindi as Gen Yahya Khan was a Pashtun. Where does the Punjabi equation come into it? Is your last statement a threat?

 

[Centaur]

We're does the Punjabi equation come into it? Is you last statement a threat?

This is common problem in Banglades too.they (anti Pakistani) always believe that 71 was bangali and panujbi war.
In reality most military members were pathans and yahyha khan was pathan too.
Sharmila bose also pointed out in the book 'dead reckoning' about this blunder.
Everything is about Punjabi, like Punjabi regime, Punjabi army, blah blah...
Perhaps because of tikka khan they think everyone is Punjabi!!

 

[Lavrentiy]

Congratulations to Bangladesh on its independence day.

 

[itsanufy]

We strongly blame who did this massacre.bangladesh govt already paid them(victims) and searching for those criminals.
No sane person can do this.but govt isn't doing this like indian hindutva govt is doing .
Common hindus are very safe and living a happy life in Bangladesh .
But hindutva vadis were trying to spread hatred between the two nations

Sir you have been to Kolkata and West Bengal.
Have you seen any instance where Muslims are living subhuman life than Hindus?

 

[Mage]

I don't need the Nazi nationalistic history or deceving fake patriotism .
If Muslims fighting in the name of islam,that doesn't degrade Islam .Islam is far more Superior to any individual.

I was born as Muslim , living as practicing Muslim and want to die as practicing muslim. Forget about mullahs i am not a mullah or islamist,but just a common practicing Muslims.so I don't care what mullahs are doing .
If we have history with Pakistan then we were the front line Pakistani .and this concept was based on Islam.
Muslims were fighting each other since the rashidun caliphate , but that doesn't mean that we have to think about pala empire instead of ottomans.
And forget ottomans , Mughal empire was Co existed with ottoman empire for centuries .
So here only relation is Islam .So ottoman had nothing to do with Islam, Mughal had nothing to do with Islam those types of words are just wahabi propaganda.i request you not to fall prey under their trap.
Thank you.

For me I was born as a Muslim in Bangladesh to Bangladeshi parents. Eventually lost interest in religion. Remain a Bangladeshi. And it is my identity. I am proud of my identity, culture and language. Don't need any ummah to feel any sense of belonging.

Sir you have been to Kolkata and West Bengal.
Have you seen any instance where Muslims are living subhuman life than Hindus?

I have been to many parts of India. And didn't see Muslims living subhuman life. Although religion is not written in the face of suffering people I don't think only Muslims are suffering. Although I haven't been to India after Modi came to power. My father goes India several time every year and he never mentioned anything like Jack is suggesting.

 

[Photon]

The creation of bangladesh has strengthened the 2 nation theory to the 3 nation theory. The only way the TNT can fail is if bangladesh and Pakistan cease to exist. The TNT now includes that people of a different religion AND race cannot form a single nation together. The creation of Pakistan and bangladesh was as much Racial as it was Religious.

Lol,
I am sorry, did you say, that people of different race can not form a single nation?

And as per your new "three nation theory", Since Bengalis of East Pakistan are a different ethnic race from Punjabis of West Pakistan. That is why, they could not coexist in a single nation.

But since Pakistan has several other ethnic races eg Pathans, Baloch , Rajput, Baltis,Muhajirs etc. And these must be several different nations too!

So when can we expect another dismemberment of Pakistan?

 

[Centaur]

Sir you have been to Kolkata and West Bengal.
Have you seen any instance where Muslims are living subhuman life than Hindus?

I am talking about current Hindutva vadi modi regime. And I visited kolkata before modi regime.
However west Bengal is different I believe. And some parts of South indians are much better too as far i know.
I was talking about other places under bjp specially UP and maharashtra. Like we read news that mobs are beating and killing peoples because they carried beef!
@itsanufy

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol,
I am sorry, did you say, that people of different race can not form a single nation?

And as per your new "three nation theory", Since Bengalis of East Pakistan are a different ethnic race from Punjabis of West Pakistan. That is why, they could not coexist in a single nation.

But since Pakistan has several other ethnic races eg Pathans, Baloch , Rajput, Baltis,Muhajirs etc. And these must be several different nations too!

So when can we expect another dismemberment of Pakistan?

The above are different ETHNICITIES but the SAME Race. They all originate from the same original ancient tribes that inhabitated the region that is now Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. The difference between a Pakistani Balouch, Pathan and Punjabi is minimal. Especially when compared to the huge, unbrigeable racial differences between Pakistanis and indians/bengalis.