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1971, a story of fear, loss and hope

The only powerful Punjabis alive today are Shareef brothers. The army has a strong Punjabi and Pashtun mix. I would ask a Bangladeshi to visit urban cities of Pakistan's Punjab province and see the varied mix of people. Sikhs recently visited Pakistan and were shocked at the hospitality they recieved despite being responsible for the ultimate massacre of Punjabs Muslim population in 1947. Just as Bangladesh is reality so is Pakistan. The consequences would be disasterarous for the region if any attempt was made to destroy either nation. Pakistan has absolutely zero interest to indulge in such matter as it has no political influence in Bangladesh. However we cannot speak for India's ambition especially of the ideology of Akand Bharat.

I'd suggest less paranoia and more kissing and making up. At least outwardly. Sikhs can get a bit hairy though. (JK)

That way you can get some semblance of stability to make the nation economically stronger.

local languages cannot be majority in anyway in any country with diverse population in subcontinent. For example here in Pakistan lets say Punjab has more population than other provinces and Punjabi speakers are majority but imposing any such provincial language will not serve the purpose even of Punjabis. In the same length for years people have been doing politics here in my province in the name of Pashto and Pashtuns but again even when Pashto was included as medium of education in some parts of KPK majority of us opted for Urdu and English. Urdu was neutral language and not ETHNIC one so it was the better option then going for Bengali or Punjabi or any other regional language. Even in Bangladesh, Bengali being main official language is not the way to future progress in coming eras. You will be more and more inclining towards English. anyway Language was not the issue. THis linguistic nationalism was adopted by your politicians to divide and gain own political goals. On part of West Pakistan, the biggest mistake or injustice on our part was NOT to let the majority party from East Pakistan to form government. It had nothing to do with any bias or hate towards East Pakistanis or Bengalis. The same political tug-war is going in Pakistan when small provinces hardly are let to form government at center by certain political families.

Excellent and reasonable explanation.

Salaam. :-)
 
I'd suggest less paranoia and more kissing and making up. At least outwardly. Sikhs can get a bit hairy though. (JK)

That way you can get some semblance of stability to make the nation economically stronger.



Excellent and reasonable explanation.

Salaam. :-)
Unfortunatly the paranoia becomes a real worry with Narinder Modi as PM of Idia and his track record of the the Gujurat Muslims massacer. Wish Bangladesh all the best but paranoia needs to end from amoungst the BD population that Pakistan is out for revenge of 71.
 
If you need nuclear weapons to keep your country together, then I feel sorry for the people of your country.

That is where awami thug misunderstood, it takes nuclear danda to keep india at bay and according to your and awami indian master india, 1971 was an india - Pakistan war.

What "victory day"????? indians imported by ruling awami league regime lecturing Bangladeshis that it was "India - Pakistan" war in 1971. Role of Bangladeshis were just to help india. Anti Bangladesh Awami league cheerleading members should reveal their allegiance now and tell us why awami indian dalals are celebrating indian victory by importing indians in Bangladesh?????? or eat indian sh$t.


৭১ সালে ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারাও অংশীদার ছিল: ভারতীয় জেনারেল

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16 Dec, 2017

ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর পূর্বাঞ্চলীয় প্রধান লেফটেনেন্ট জেনারেল অভয় কৃষ্ণ বলেছেন, ১৯৭১ সালে ভারত-পাকিস্তানের যুদ্ধ হয়েছিল ঠিকই কিন্তু সেটা মুক্তিযোদ্ধাদের সহযোগিতায়। মুক্তিযোদ্ধারাও এই যুদ্ধের অংশীদার এবং সেই কারণে বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন হয়েছে।

বাংলাদেশে বিজয় দিবস উদযাপনের ধারাবাহিক অনুষ্ঠানের অংশ হিসাবে শুক্রবার ঢাকায় এক অনুষ্ঠানে ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর একজন প্রাক্তন কর্মকর্তা ১৯৭১ সালের মুক্তিযুদ্ধকে ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধ বলে মন্তব্য করেছিলেন। ওই কর্মকর্তার লেখা ‘১২ দিনের ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধ’ শীর্ষক একটি বইয়েরও মোড়ক উন্মোচন হয় সেদিন সকালে। ভারতীয় প্রাক্তন সেনা কর্মকর্তার এই বক্তব্য নিয়ে বিতর্ক তৈরি হয়।

http://www.newsforbd.net/newsdetail/detail/200/351704
 
Bangladesh marks 1971 war victory, honours Indian soldiers
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...an-soldiers/story-lWPwPzA5xhGSEHX3mNZVXN.html

The 1971 war veterans of both Bangladesh and India once again got together to celebrate the victory.
world Updated: Dec 16, 2017 21:15 IST
Press Trust of India, Dhaka
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Bangladesh's air force planes release colored smoke during celebrations marking the country's 46th Victory Day in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Saturday, Dec. 16, 2017.(AP Photo)


Bangladesh on Saturday honoured 27 Indian war veterans as it celebrated ‘Victory Day’ marking its emergence as an independent nation following the 1971 Liberation War against Pakistan.

A 31-gun salute marked the occasion while President Abdul Hamid and Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina placed wreaths at the National Memorial at suburban Savar in a pre-dawn ceremony with army bugles playing the ‘Last Post’ while thousands followed them as the nation payed homage to the 1971 martyrs and heroes.

Hamid later joined as the chief guest a parade of armed forces and other state-owned organisations at a ceremony, also attended by the premier at the National Parade Square in the capital.

The 1971 war veterans of both Bangladesh and India once again got together to celebrate the victory.

Twenty-seven 1971 war veterans from India and four serving officers arrived in Dhaka on December 14 to join the celebrations on invitation of the Bangladesh government.

Bangladesh Army Chief General Abu Belal Muhammad Shafiul Huq hosted a reception for them also attended by some Russian military veterans who aided Bangladesh in demining its coastline after the war.

Retired Lieutenant General Jai Bhagwan Singh Yadava, who took part in the 1965 war against Pakistan and the 1971 Liberation War, led the Indian delegation.

“The delegation will also pay homage to Father of the Nation, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman at the Bangabandhu Memorial museum, and 1971 martyrs placing wreaths at ‘Shikha Anirban’ (Flame Eternal) at Dhaka cantonment and visit some of the battle sites of Liberation War,” an official familiar with the visit said.

An Indian High Commission statement said reciprocal visits by Bangladeshi freedom fighters (FFs) and Indian war veterans on Victory Day started in 2005 and over 300 Bangladeshis and 150 Indians have joined celebrations in Kolkata and Dhaka respectively since then.

As part of the celebrations streets and buildings in the capital and other major cities were illuminated overnight.

The war in 1971 began after the sudden crackdown at midnight on March 25 that year in erstwhile East Pakistan by Pakistani troops and ended on December 16 as Pakistan conceded defeat and unconditionally surrendered in Dhaka to the allied forces comprising Bengali freedom fighters and the Indian Army.

Officially three million people were killed during the nine-month-long war in one of the most heinous acts of genocide by Pakistani troops.

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While flying a made in Pak AJT.
 
But, anyone who wouldn't believe this myth there is "Pakistani" :-)
People dye in war - a few thousands of traitors might have been killed by army and several thousands innocents might have died as well (either in cross fire or by hands of their so-called heroes and Indian friends to fuel the civil war) but their level of propaganda is unmatched.

I don't believe this myth... I am not Pakistani. It is frankly the largest crock of crap I've seen.

I used to believe it, but the BD emotional constant over-reaction here to the most simplest of logic and inability to concede even one tiny sliver...has however changed that (and I explored a bunch of articles and analysis friends like @DESERT FIGHTER pointed out to me on top of the famous sarmila bose publication). But I get why they are emotionally bound to it and wont let go....butthurt driven nationalism is potent stuff you see. So if this is how they think on the issue, it is very likely they fully made up all their pathetic numbers for political purposes, just like they continue to do with their govt "statistics":

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/repository-for-bd-statistics-bbs-quality-credibility.525379/

Its that time of year for their rona drona. 170 million people have never sounded so underwhelming. They didn't sound that great when their "worthies" and I still discussed this topic (till I realised they just copy and paste and spam the same dumb topic every other day and they do their dumb yearly climax in december)....and they sound even worse now. Like stepping on hoarse seagulls or something.

Anyways they getting karma for their BS attitude good and hard now. More is on the way.
 
I am talking about current Hindutva vadi modi regime. And I visited kolkata before modi regime.
However west Bengal is different I believe. And some parts of South indians are much better too as far i know.
I was talking about other places under bjp specially UP and maharashtra. Like we read news that mobs are beating and killing peoples because they carried beef!
@itsanufy
No sir, you are totally wrong, living a subhuman life in India entirely depends on how much money you have,not with your religion.
I can bet with you, travel any part of India, you will not find any discrimination as you are a Muslim.
 
While flying a made in Pak AJT.

That may not be factual.

As far as I know - the K-8W (or JL-8W, note the 'w' designation) version supplied to Bangladesh is made entirely in China.

Pakistan-specific version was/is built in Pakistan (PAC Kamra) from Chinese-supplied fuse/wing kits, and contained Pakistan-specific glass cockpit equipment/HUD and Martin Baker zero-zero ejection seats. I don't know if the engines in the Pakistani version are the same Garrett/Honeywell TFE731's or use the Chinese WS-11's (copies of Russian Ivchenko AI-25's).

I believe Bangladeshi ones were supplied with Garrett/Honeywell TFE731's and have more improved Glass cockpit and HUD, being supplied much later than in Pakistan.
 
Speaking Islamic language language like Urdu while avoiding Hindu tagorized Bangla? Considering festivals like Pahela Baisakh shirk?
নারে ভাই, উর্দু আমার আসে না। যেটা বুঝি সেটা হল হিন্দি সিনেমা দেখে শেখা হিন্দুস্তানী মানে উর্দু হিন্দির খিচুড়িভাষা।
এত খেপে গেছেন কেন? পহেলা বৈশাখ বলে কিছু আছে নাকি আবার? দিন দিন ভারতীয় কালচারে আমদানী হচ্ছে না? মংগল শোভা যাত্রায় যেসব কান্ড হয় সেগুলো আর যাই হোক বাংগালিত্ব বা ধর্ম নিরক্ষেতা নয়।
আর উর্দু মোটেই ইসলামিক ভাষা নয়। আসলে ইসলামিক ভাষা বলে কিছু নেই।
এসব খুব কাঁচা কথাবার্তা যেগুলো আপনারা বানিয়েছেন। ধন্যবাদ।
(No I can't understand even pure form of Urdu, what I understand that is hindustani language ,from Bollywood movie ,that is actually hybrid of Urdu and Hindi.
And pahela boikhash culture is no longer Bengali culture as every year they adding Hindu input like Mongol shova zatra etc etc.and that can't be even secular or common Bengali festival. Hindu worship influenced it heavily .and no I don't think that Urdu is Islamic language .there is no such thing as Islamic language . All are some propaganda by you ( seculars) . Thank you.
@Mage
 
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If these differences did not exist, Pakistan and bangladesh would never have been created.
Are you smoking something? Why do you think BD people chose to fight against because they look different from the Punjabis with 35% Dravidian DNA? Separation was due to the separate geographical locations, the then politics and due to the flow of history. It was not because of different facial features. Why do not you ask a Sikh why did they choose to remain with India instead of with an almost similar looking Muslim Punjabis? Please do not talk bullshit as if you are the only knowledgeable guy. Re-read history and then come back to vomit your bla, bla----.
 
That is where awami thug misunderstood, it takes nuclear danda to keep india at bay and according to your and awami indian master india, 1971 was an india - Pakistan war.

What "victory day"????? indians imported by ruling awami league regime lecturing Bangladeshis that it was "India - Pakistan" war in 1971. Role of Bangladeshis were just to help india. Anti Bangladesh Awami league cheerleading members should reveal their allegiance now and tell us why awami indian dalals are celebrating indian victory by importing indians in Bangladesh?????? or eat indian sh$t.


৭১ সালে ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধে মুক্তিযোদ্ধারাও অংশীদার ছিল: ভারতীয় জেনারেল

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16 Dec, 2017

ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর পূর্বাঞ্চলীয় প্রধান লেফটেনেন্ট জেনারেল অভয় কৃষ্ণ বলেছেন, ১৯৭১ সালে ভারত-পাকিস্তানের যুদ্ধ হয়েছিল ঠিকই কিন্তু সেটা মুক্তিযোদ্ধাদের সহযোগিতায়। মুক্তিযোদ্ধারাও এই যুদ্ধের অংশীদার এবং সেই কারণে বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন হয়েছে।

বাংলাদেশে বিজয় দিবস উদযাপনের ধারাবাহিক অনুষ্ঠানের অংশ হিসাবে শুক্রবার ঢাকায় এক অনুষ্ঠানে ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর একজন প্রাক্তন কর্মকর্তা ১৯৭১ সালের মুক্তিযুদ্ধকে ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধ বলে মন্তব্য করেছিলেন। ওই কর্মকর্তার লেখা ‘১২ দিনের ভারত-পাকিস্তান যুদ্ধ’ শীর্ষক একটি বইয়েরও মোড়ক উন্মোচন হয় সেদিন সকালে। ভারতীয় প্রাক্তন সেনা কর্মকর্তার এই বক্তব্য নিয়ে বিতর্ক তৈরি হয়।

http://www.newsforbd.net/newsdetail/detail/200/351704
প্রিয় বাংলাদেশী চেতনা বাহিনী, দয়া করে আপনারা এখানে আসেন। আপাতত দুজন কে মেনশন করি।
@Predator71 @Mage আপনাদের
বন্ধু দেশের দয়াবান সেনাদের দয়া করে থামান।
কেন যুদ্ধ টা উনাদের পরিবর্তে আপনাদের বাহিনী জিতিয়েছে সেই মহান ইতিহাস এইসব রাজাকার ভারতীয় সেনাদের বুঝান।
তারা না বুঝলে প্রান খুলে আসুন, স্বাস্থ্য ভাল থাকবে।

তবু না বুঝলে মুক্তি যুদ্ধের চেতনা আইনে বিচার করে ভারতীয় রাজাকার সেনাদের ফাঁসী দেবার চেষ্টা করুন। অথবা অন্তত আন্তর্জাতিক ভাবে তাদের ( ভারতীয় রাজাকার সেনাদের) নিষিদ্ধ করার চেষ্টা করুন।

Best of luck with indian armed forces rajakar . You also can try hanging them because they proclaimed your freedom war as India Pakistan war,and try to ban the indian armed forces rajakar bahini ,Like bangladeshi rajakar jamat islami .thank you.
 
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and no I don't think that Urdu is Islamic language .there is no such thing as Islamic language .

নারে ভাই, উর্দু আমার আসে না। যেটা বুঝি সেটা হল হিন্দি সিনেমা দেখে শেখা হিন্দুস্তানী মানে উর্দু হিন্দির খিচুড়িভাষা।
Oh, at least you are not gonna claim Urdu as an Islamic language like some does here.
এত খেপে গেছেন কেন? পহেলা বৈশাখ বলে কিছু আছে নাকি আবার?
Bangla noboborsho is the better word then. And it is there and public holiday. Sadly Hijri and Urdu new years aren't public holiday. Not Hindi new year either. Do you have any problem with thatt?
@Al-zakir @dsr478
I'm sure I've heard others claiming Urdu to be a Islamic language and Bengali to be a Hindu language.
বন্ধু দেশের দয়াবান সেনাদের দয়া করে থামান।
কেন যুদ্ধ টা উনাদের পরিবর্তে আপনাদের বাহিনী জিতিয়েছে সেই মহান ইতিহাস এইসব রাজাকার ভারতীয় সেনাদের বুঝান।
তারা না বুঝলে প্রান খুলে আসুন, স্বাস্থ্য ভাল থাকবে।
What Indian army thinks does not matter to us to the slightest.
তবু না বুঝলে মুক্তি যুদ্ধের চেতনা আইনে বিচার করে ভারতীয় রাজাকার সেনাদের ফাঁসী দেবার চেষ্টা করুন। অথবা আন্তর্জাতিক ভাবে তাদের ( ভারতীয় রাজাকার সেনাদের) নিষিদ্ধ করার চেষ্টা করুন।

Best of luck with indian armed forces rajakar . You also can try hanging them because they proclaimed your freedom war as India Pakistan war,and try to ban the indian armed forces rajakar bahini ,Like bangladeshi rajakar jamat islami .thank you.
Razakars were hanged because of their crimes. Not because they supported Pakistan in 1971. And Jamaati Islami is banned because of their violence based and anti-BD politics. There are still many political parties with Islamic ideology.
 
paranoia needs to end from amoungst the BD population that Pakistan is out for revenge of 71.
This paranoia is held by the Indian,not Bangladeshi.Whatever criticism Pakistan get from Bangladesh, is entirely for 1971 period.No one in Bangladesh believe that, Pakistan is trying to harm Bangladesh today for 1971 defeat.:lol:
 
most of the violence started because of the US occupation and trouble in neighbouring Afghanistan. Prior to this there was never any violence against any minority. If you bothered reading the above statement you would have a much better understanding of my comment. Living as a United India would never be secular rather religious inspired violence would erupt like the recent case of a Hindu burning alive a Muslim man, murdering for eatin beef.
OH I see, much of the violence in Pakistan is due to US occupation and trouble in neighbouring Afghanistan. Recently Islamic extremists led by fiery cleric Rizvi in Pakistan had blocked a road for 2 weeks and even forced the law minister to resign. Some police officials were kidnapped tortured and badly beaten. A police van was also torched. Is it because of US occupation. Attacks on Hazars in Quetta is not because of US occupation. What about the ethnic violence between MQM and the ANP Pathans in Karachi. Is it because of US involment.
 
প্রিয় বাংলাদেশী চেতনা বাহিনী, দয়া করে আপনারা এখানে আসেন। আপাতত দুজন কে মেনশন করি।
@Predator71 @Mage আপনাদের
বন্ধু দেশের দয়াবান সেনাদের দয়া করে থামান।
Excuse me. It appears to me that either you are a high school kid or just another stubborn person (most of the PDFians) with whom none can argue with logic. :( May Lord be with you
Regards
 
What Indian army thinks does not matter to us to the slightest.
And what about sharmin Ahmed ,the daughter of tajuddin Ahmed ? Did you read her book? There she claimed that mujib (uncle for her) didn't declared indipendance but called for a general strike in 27 March ?
@Mage
 

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