1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

[HongWu]

Look at the monkeys jumping up and down. Fact is, Vietnam was China's vassal state for 1000 years. The entire Vietnam territory belongs to China. Taking back Paracels and Spratlys is just the beginning. We will take back Hanoi and then Saigon and drive away all the Vietnamese so Chinese can return to our land.

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

to#253, the Vietnamese guy. Since you quoted my post. In case there is a misunderstanding. I think I have to explain more. What kind of court the thieves want to go? It's a court that would never punish thieves for their crime, but only decides who has the things stolen by thieves, thieves or victims. This kind of court is heaven for thieves, hell for victims. Unfortunately, the Philippine and Vietnamese guys are following in love with this court.

Who say that the loser loose nothing? He will loose his fame, his reputation, his honour ... The loser will be called the invader, the bad guy, the bully, the robber ... or something like that ... so people will start to keep a way from him, guard against him, because no one can trust such a person which bad reputation like that.
It's what you are afraid of, right?

Look at the monkeys jumping up and down. Fact is, Vietnam was China's vassal state for 1000 years. The entire Vietnam territory belongs to China. Of course it cannot possibly own any islands, before or now.

I declare that China belongs to Mongolia, with the same reason. Anyone would like to oppose my declaration?

 

[ComeAtMeBro]

Look at the monkeys jumping up and down. Fact is, Vietnam was China's vassal state for 1000 years. The entire Vietnam territory belongs to China. Of course it cannot possibly own any islands, before or now.

You can do better than that

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

We will take back Hanoi and then Saigon and drive away all the Vietnamese so Chinese can return to our land.

It's just a ridiculous propaganda that you chinese have been saying in the last 1000 years

Hello? We are just out there, Mongolian. Why don't try a little bit harder? No man left to throw in the war?

India was the defender of the South Asia, and we were the defender of the South East Asia BTW where is China? I can't find them there

 

[kankan326]

Look at the monkeys jumping up and down. Fact is, Vietnam was China's vassal state for 1000 years. The entire Vietnam territory belongs to China. Taking back Paracels and Spratlys is just the beginning. We will take back Hanoi and then Saigon and drive away all the Vietnamese so Chinese can return to our land.

No, brother. We Chinese just want what should belong to us. As it is.

 

[kankan326]

Then what are you want to do?
You're government doesn't want to start a war to claim "YOUR" so called lands.
They resort to bullying which is disgustful and unrespectable to the eyes of the other nation

Dude we are not on the ancient eras anymore.
You can't just go around yelling anyone labeling them thieves

You need proofs, evidences, documents
You need to backup your claims

China is the one who avoids the court for some weird reason
Didn't they teach you political science on your school?
No offense bro but you are really blinded by your government.

The only way to end this conflict is via diplomat or war
Tell your government to grow some BALLS and stop bullying FFS

If you tell the world it was Philippine or Vietnamese who first found islands in SCS. Can you convince the world? It obviously reverses common knowledge of whole world. Everybody knows it is Chinese who first explored sea world. Chinese navigation technology was once even better than European for a rather long history.

On the other hand, back to WWII, it was China who had the right to took over SCS islands from Japan. We got the privilege because we made a big contribution in the war. Much bigger than Philippine and Vietnam. This is our second evidence.

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

If you tell the world it was Philippine or Vietnamese who first found islands in SCS. Can you convince the world? It obviously reverses common knowledge of whole world. Everybody knows it is Chinese who first explored sea world. Chinese navigation technology was once even better than European for a rather long history.

On the other hand, back to WWII, it was China who had the right to took over SCS islands from Japan. We got the privilege because we made a big contribution in the war. Much bigger than Philippine and Vietnam. This is our second evidence.

Maybe we didn't find it first, but who cares? We just set our sovereignty over there first, and this is what the world cares
Everyone made a contribution in the war, even Vietnamese and Filipino. Not just because you had fought against Japan so you can took lands from the others.
Enough said, just go to the international court, if you are a man, China

 

[HongWu]

No, brother. We Chinese just want what should belong to us. As it is.

Don't worry, we will not mix blood with Viets. Just take the land, drive away the Viets, and build holiday resorts for Chinese enjoyment.

 

[dunhill]

Don't worry, we will not mix blood with Viets. Just take the land, drive away the Viets, and build holiday resorts for Chinese enjoyment.

We are not worry and nothing to worry about it. Ever since Chinese loves bananas, we also prepared for Chinese a lot of bananas, I think Philippines also prepared and ready for Chinese. Yummy ... Yummy ...

 

[Cristoph]

i dont think the viet people will be satisfied if we are still arguing for this issue. i have to say, sadly, your "evidence" has noting to do to solve this issue. sorry for that~

ps: not only the ccp will deny to discuss this kind of argument between our two countries, but any kind of government of chinese will do the same. territory is not an argument, it is an absolutely a definition by the stronger one. thanks for reading~

 

[Martian2]

The Chinese nine-dashed-lines map is based on the Chinese 12th century map shown below and the 1712-1721 map from the Qing Dynasty.

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Spratly Islands have belonged to China since ancient times

Ocean-faring Chinese explorers had claimed the Spratly Islands a thousand years ago.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Spratly Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

"Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長&#27801 and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石&#22616,[7] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [8][9] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[10] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[11] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[12] 1755,[13] 1767,[14] 1810,[15] and 1817.[16] A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".[17]"

By the twelfth century, names for the South China Sea islands began to appear. The Paracels and the Spratlys were referred to more consistently as Changsha and Shitang. By the mid-fourteenth century, Shitang could be accurately identified as the Spratlys. There is also evidence of Chinese naval control over some areas of the South China Sea, which resulted in complete Chinese dominion of the South China Sea in the late thirteenth century. Finally, in the fifteenth century, Zheng He's seven voyages placed the South China Sea islands on the official navigational charts. In this map, the Xisha Islands are called Shitang, and the Nansha Islands are referred to as Wansheng Shitang Yu.

The Map of South and East Ocean Sea Routes was drawn in between 1712-1721 by Qing (Ching) Dynasty Fujian (Fuchien) Province Navy Commander Shi Shibiao, the son of a famous Qing Dynasty imperial officer. This map clearly shows the sea routes, time, and descriptions from Chinese coastal ports to Japan, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei, Cambodia and the Philippines. On this map, the locations and names of the Southern Sea Islands (Nanhai Zhudao) are very accurate. The map shows Chinese sovereignty over the South China　Sea islands (including Nansha Islands, Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands and Dongsha Islands).

1834 Vietnamese map showed the islands as Chinese "Wanli Changsha."

[Note: Thank you to HuziHaidao12 for the first two pictures and captions.]

 

[Rechoice]

In the past chinese acepted East Sea (SCS) belong to Vietnam. Old map of China stated 交址洋, Sea of Giao Chỉ, Giao Chi (Kochi) was old name of Vietnam.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ina-sea-news-discussions-7.html#ixzz224CTJUzv

Don't worry, we will not mix blood with Viets. Just take the land, drive away the Viets, and build holiday resorts for Chinese enjoyment.

resorts for Chinese enjoyment like this.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Many China maps that the Chinese have painted recently, they have added "nine-dotted line" then said that it is the ancient maps. LOL

But in reality, the "11 dotted line" was only painted the first in 1947 and was first released in 1948 in a private publication.

Look at the ​​"ancient" map of China which the Chinese members showed: lol

The maps which the chinese member said "China Map 1850" LOL:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/190695-china-always-has-mongolia-2.html#post3113737

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/190695-china-always-has-mongolia-9.html#post3116169

 

[goldenfish]

Look at the monkeys jumping up and down. Fact is, Vietnam was China's vassal state for 1000 years. The entire Vietnam territory belongs to China. Taking back Paracels and Spratlys is just the beginning. We will take back Hanoi and then Saigon and drive away all the Vietnamese so Chinese can return to our land.

[IMG-]http://www.chinahighlights.com/image/chinamap/ancient/han-dynasty-map2.gif[/IMG]

and you pround for thit ? now is 2012 loll
why chinese hold Vietnam for them until today :ops:
because they can't
That is the weakness of the Chinese people
Assaulted the credibility of small
Sooner or later everyone shunned and ostracized

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

The Chinese nine-dashed-lines map is based on the Chinese 12th century map shown below and the 1712-1721 map from the Qing Dynasty.

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Spratly Islands have belonged to China since ancient times

Ocean-faring Chinese explorers had claimed the Spratly Islands a thousand years ago.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Spratly Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

Also according to Wikipedia:

Vietnam
Vietnamese claims that it has occupied the Spratley and the Paracel islands at least since the 17th century, when they were not under the sovereignty of any state, and that they exercised sovereignty over the two archipelagos continuously and peacefully until they were invaded by Chinese armed forces.[33] In Phủ Biên Tạp Lục (Miscellaneous Records of Pacification in the Border Area) by the scholar Lê Quý Đôn, Hoàng Sa (Paracel Islands), and Trường Sa (Spratly Islands) were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngãi District. In Đại Nam Nhất Thống Toàn Đồ (Dai Nam Unified Map), an atlas of Vietnam completed in 1838, Trường Sa was shown as Vietnamese territory.[citation needed] Vietnam had conducted many geographical and resource surveys of the islands.[citation needed] The results of these surveys have been recorded in Vietnamese literature and history published since the 17th century. After the treaty signed with the Nguyễn Dynasty, France represented Vietnam in international affairs and exercised sovereignty over the islands.[citation needed]
The Cairo Declaration, drafted by the Allies and China towards the end of World War II, listed the territories that the Allies intended to strip from Japan and return to China. Despite China being among the authors of the declaration, this list did not include the Spratlys.[citation needed] Vietnam's response to China's claim that the Cairo Declaration somehow recognized the latter's sovereignty over the Spratlys is that this claim has no basis in fact.
At the San Francisco Conference on the peace treaty with Japan, the Soviet Union proposed that the Paracels and Spratlys be recognized as belonging to China. This proposal was rejected by an overwhelming majority of the delegates. On July 7, 1951, Tran Van Huu, head of the Bảo Đại Government's delegation to the conference declared that the Paracels and Spratlys were part of Vietnamese territory. This declaration met with no challenge from the 51 representatives at the conference.[citation needed]
The text of the Treaty of San Francisco listed the Spratlys as not part of the list of territories to be returned to China.[34]
After the French left, the government of the Republic of Vietnam (ROV) exercised sovereignty over the islands, by placing border markers on the Spratlys to indicate South Vietnamese sovereignty over the archipelago. Up to the end of the Vietnam War the Republic of Vietnam Navy held military control over the majority of the Spratly Islands until 1975, when North Vietnamese troops attacked South Vietnamese troops and occupied the islands. After the Vietnam War, the unified Vietnam SRV (Socialist Republic of Vietnam) continued to claim the Spratly islands as an indisputably integral part of Vietnam, accordingly the Phan Van Dong DRV notice to the PRC in 1958 had not ceded the ROV and consequently the SRV claims, hence that Notice became of no effect on the ROV/SRV rights.
Vietnam currently occupies 31 islands. They are organized as a district of Khanh Hoa Province. At the 12th National Assembly Election held early in Trường Sa, the people and soldiers also voted for their local district government for the first time. For the first time, Trường Sa is organized like a normal inland district, with a townlet (thị trấn Trường Sa) and two communes (xã Sinh Tồn, xã Song Tử Tây). Forty nine people were elected to the communes' people's councils.
In July 2012 the national assembly of Vietnam passed a law demarcating Vietnamese sea borders to include the Spratly and Paracel Islands.[35][36]

A European colonial map depicting the islands as Vietnamese territory.