Zia ul Haq my grandfather

[SQ8]

I have zero tolerance for terrorists and several dozens of my posts are a testament of my stand. However, Afghans were hosting Bin Laden for he had helped them fighting against the Russian invaders. They did ask Americans to provide them with a proof of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11, which Americans failed to provide. Afghans did what any honorable host would do, to protect his guest. Until today Americans have not come up with any concrete proof on the involvement of Bin Laden in 9/11 attacks. Yes Americans have destroyed Afghanistan but by the time they invaded Afghanistan, it was already destroyed. Even in US, the people have begun to consider the invasion of Afghanistan unjust, and waste of resources. Even after these many years of constant beating, Afghan freedom fighters are well and alive, the same who challenged US with their AK-47.

Not Afghans, Taliban.

 

[Fracker]

A leader who lived with dignity, died with dignity, and 3 million people attending his janazah confirms what he would have achieved in his next life.

Salute to true solider and Salute to his actions to save Pakistan from Soviet threat.

 

[syedali73]

The point is that attributing such a strategic decision to the past when the decision-maker himself was hung is simply unlikely to be correct, unless you wish to post up a reference.

Policies are not made by a single person though being the head of the state, he does have his input and endorsement. After the role that was played by the USSR in the creation of Bangladesh, it was not unexpected that Pakistan was looking for a chance to even up the score. Soviets have been active in Afghan politics from the beginning and during Daud's time, it began to intensified. I wonder if you are aware about the covert operations ordered by PM Bhutto in Afghanistan between 1974 and 1978, which were executed under the command of then Maj. Gen. Naseer ullah Babar.

 

[Zarvan]

Not Afghans, Taliban.

Sir most Taliban in Afghanistan are Afghans

 

[Zarvan]

Not Afghans, Taliban.

Please close the thread

 

[syedali73]

Mullahs definitely made this claim on behalf of Zia, please don't deny it. Also don't deny what kind of tactics he used against Ahmadis. There was a strong rumour amongst Ahmadi soldiers that Zia had planned to turn Rabwah into a concentration camp. He investigated and tried to find how Jamaat Ahmadiyya was financed, he wanted to find a connection with Israel or UK etc.

As for normal Pakistani soldiers who have died fighting for saving Pakistan, they are true martyrs. I have always had huge respect for these sons of Pakistan.

These are all rumors and my observations are totally different. Several Qadyani officers have worked with my father between 1973-2001. They all got their promotions as usual and a couple even reached to the rank of the Director General. As far as investigations are concerned, they are routine, and conducted based on credible intel. Such investigations have been carried out against virtually every political party and organization. They are not disturbed if they come out clean. If Zia really wanted to turn Rabwah into a concentration camp, he very well could for he was one hell of a dictator, but if Rabwah survived, it means there were no such plans.

 

[Jaanbaz]

These are all rumors and my observations are totally different. Several Qadyani officers have worked with my father between 1973-2001. They all got their promotions as usual and a couple even reached to the rank of the Director General. As far as investigations are concerned, they are routine, and conducted based on credible intel. Such investigations have been carried out against virtually every political party and organization. They are not disturbed if they come out clean. If Zia really wanted to turn Rabwah into a concentration camp, he very well could for he was one hell of a dictator, but if Rabwah survived, it means there were no such plans.

Yeah and during his reign a large and extremist Deobandi population was settled surrounding Rabwah. They still exist today, despite being minority they harass the majority Ahmadis. Dictators like Zia was a deranged men, they would do anything to stay in power.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

This was Zia ul haq's last speech, in his speech he told the nation that he is going to impose sharia law (Shura law) and after delivering this speech he was assassinated by CIA and Mossad by planting bomb in his plane.

In 2005 World Policy Journal,John Gunther Dean, a former US ambassador to India, blamed Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, for orchestrating Zia's assassination in retaliation for Pakistan developing a nuclear weapon

 

[syedali73]

Yeah and during his reign a large and extremist Deobandi population was settled surrounding Rabwah. They still exist today, despite being minority they harass the majority Ahmadis. Dictators like Zia was a deranged men, they would do anything to stay in power.

Those who are settled around Rabwah are Pakistanis, and the constitution allows Pakistanis to settled where they like to. Do you have a proof that Zia ordered their settlement? Zia was a human, and human have both good and bad attributes. This should not be difficult to understand for an educated person like you. And please avoid using words such as 'derange'. Whatever Zia was, he was the COAS of Pakistan Army and the president. You may hate him for the propaganda you have been hearing from your childhood, but many respect him, and if not respect him, at least consider him a human being with many shortcoming. He is now dead and with his Allah. Let Allah decide about his fate. Don't use slangish language against somebody who is not here to defend himself. This is the bottom most of one's character.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Those who are settled around Rabwah are Pakistanis, and the constitution allows Pakistanis to settled where they like to. Do you have a proof that Zia ordered their settlement? Zia was a human, and human have both good and bad attributes. This should not be difficult to understand for an educated person like you. And please avoid using words such as 'derange'. Whatever Zia was, he was the COAS of Pakistan Army and the president. You may hate him for the propaganda you have been hearing from your childhood, but many respect him, and if not respect him, at least consider him a human being with many shortcoming. He is now dead and with his Allah. Let Allah decide about his fate. Don't use slangish language against somebody who is not here to defend himself. This is the bottom most of one's character.

He killed my people. I will never have any respect for him. Btw I never condemned him to hell. That's for Allah to decide how he deals with killer of innocent people.

 

[syedali73]

He killed my people. I will never have any respect for him. Btw I never condemned him to hell. That's for Allah to decide how he deals with killer of innocent people.

You have zero proof of that. Stop spreading rumors. Come back if you got any proof of his involvement in the killing of 'your' people.

 

[Fracker]

He killed my people. I will never have any respect for him. Btw I never condemned him to hell. That's for Allah to decide how he deals with killer of innocent people.

Can you share some details about when, and how he killed your person or order to do so?

 

[Jaanbaz]

You have zero proof of that. Stop spreading rumors. Come back if you any proof of his involvement in the killing of 'your' people.

Really? are you that ignorant with all due respect?

 

[syedali73]

Really? are you that ignorant with all due respect?

These speeches are no proof. Ask Mirza Saheb to take them to the International court of Justice in Hague. He and you will learn soon how much water these speeches hold as a proof of the involvement of COAS/President of Pakistan in the supposedly massacre(s)/subjugation of Qadyanis in Pakistan..

 

[Jaanbaz]

These speeches are no proof.

No ordinance XX is a proof.

Ask Mirza Saheb to take them to the International court of Justice in Hague

Too late he passed away in 2003.

He and you will learn soon how much water these speeches hold as a proof of the involvement of COAS/President of Pakistan in the supposedly massacre(s)/subjugation of Qadyanis in Pakistan..

All of the major Human Rights organisation including Human rights organisation of Pakistan agree that persecution of Ahmadi Muslims is state sanctioned, the state is involved and sometimes watches as mobs kills innocent Ahmadi Muslims.

the supposedly massacre(s)/subjugation of Qadyanis in Pakistan..

Yeah. Ahmadis are so happy in Pakistan. There is no discrimination, killing and destruction of property of Ahmadi owned businesses, homes and mosques. Its all a Jewish conspiracy to malign Pakistan. Silly my. I'm going to leave this thread to let you Pakistanis enjoy your ignorance.