Well historically US also did that- Guantanamo for example? and besides this is besids the point- US loses most recent wars so this point is not relevant.
but lost all those wars - pls stop distacting from my point and making your own straw away point to try to prove me wrong. US lost Iraq to Iran, US cant even install a pro-US prime minister of IRaq after the $2trn+ and all those lives??? tallking about "reshaping political landscapes"- NOT SUCCESFULLY!
but AQ is in Syria, east Africa, everywhere, Iran even, so whats your point? look at the things you give US credit for- relatively small achievements for such a superpower- US did bad on getting Zawhahiri, only happened this year..smh..US is nt that good at intelligence sometimes.
speak for yourself.
and still lost both wars- stupid draining investment.
ha ha -you're off on your fake theories to get high, this is so not relevant to what i was saying about NATO and US losing wars- their records speak for themselves. Your point here isnt relevant to mine, if it is, please show me.
Side point again, but ok.
because its overrated, its a bully, its manipulative, it has past debt it hasnt paid, and thats my right, but you obv have a different view, and thats why you always talk down to me on this forum and oppose my points with WEAK POINTS, and thats why you temporarily banned me from the Ukraine thread too! all because i actually spoke the facts and you couldnt counter them(i recently also countered ZE German, road to america, beny, etc recently and they havent been able to come back with solid counters)- said US was low on ammunition, and US IS- i think that was so awful and abusive of you to do to ban me from that thread for a week.
If you cannot address my points well and correctly, we might need to ignore each other on this thread going forward to prevent f urther problems- i understand many things better than you do, but you hate that, so you always attack me, or make weird red herring distraction points, but i know when i have a point, my IQ is high enough.
they played smarter by avoiding stupid wars that drain them too much for too little, that's why US public has revoked US govt ability to fight another stupid war without their authorization again, and thats what made the US govt go contract with ISIS.
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thats a besides-the-point to my point.
1. The last time US fought to conquer lands was in 19th century.
2. If the Core Objective of a war is accomplished then this achievement is regarded as VICTORY.
What was the Core Objective of war in Iraq? To topple Saddam regime and dismantle it. This mission was accomplished, right? VICTORY in other words.
Next step was to introduce an inclusive democratic model of government in Iraq to see if it works.
It worked. Iraq is now a Federal Parliamentary Republic and home to multiple political parties.
For example:
www.electionguide.org
Iraqi kurd are particularly close to Americans. Iraqi government cannot be formed by excluding these people from Iraqi political scene.
US have managed to reshape Iraqi political landscape, therefore.
Yes, Iran is able to influence Iraqi politics as well: there are pro-Iranian Shia political parties on the ground. But Muqtada al-Sadr is a wild card among Shia.
Before Iraqi Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr’s call for an end to the violence, analysts feared Iraq was headed to war.
www.aljazeera.com
Muqtada al-Sadr's boycott of Iraqi General Elections 2022 led to formation of the Coordination Framework by other political parties to establish a government. But Muqtada al-Sadr can create lot of problems for it from the outside in pursuit of its political agenda.
Iraqi Public on the whole is not as Pro-Iran as you assume it to be.
Lost all wars? What do you want US to do? Bomb a country to oblivion to convince people like you?
You do not seem to understand anything.
As a test case of your knowledge of American missions, kindly identify each American military operation that was conducted since 2001 and to what end (the Core Objective).
3. But AQ is everywhere? Based on what exactly? Your imagination?
Provide evidence of your "claims."
4. Do NOT argue for the sake of argument. This is bad debating ethic.
5. Still lost both wars?
Saddam regime in Iraq =
Dismantled
Iraqi political landscape =
Reshaped
I have explained Iraqi political situation to you above. Iran's influence in Iraq have its limits.
US had to FOCUS on
both Iraq and Iran
before 2003
but it can FOCUS on Iran NOW. Understand the difference.
Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan =
Dismantled
Afghan political landscape =
Return of Afghan Taliban
You have forgotten how dangerous Al-Qaeda Network had become. It was plotting and launching attacks on American assets in the Middle East and also on American soil. People like you were vulnerable to these attacks.
But Americans and Pakistani worked together to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network across AfPak region. US is a safer place due to this achievement.
US have allowed Afghan Taliban to return to power for several reasons.
- Afghan Taliban have assured Americans in a DEAL that they will NOT allow Al-Qaeda Network and the sort to plot attacks on American soil from Afghan soil. Good for YOU.
- Afghan Taliban are NOT Iranian stooge(s). This suits American strategic calculus in view of Iraqi political scene. American deep state is learning from its experiments.
- US could EXIT from Afghanistan in light of the above.
You sound like a typical ignorant American who takes his liberties for granted.
6. You understood "something" but not the whole point.
7. American battlefield
exploits accomplishments have NOTHING to do with American politicians and government(s) being manipulative and vice versa. These are two different themes.
American military is NOT overrated
but globally respected and feared for its professionalism and capabilities. But It is up to American politicians to decide WHAT they want to achieve in a particular region and to WHAT EXTENT military muscle shall be applied for the needful. It is up to American politicians to decide RULES OF ENGAGEMENT for a war they might chose to fight in a particular region.
Commoners can be in HUBRIS in some countries but their government(s) know better. Hardly any country is eager to fight a war with US unless US comes for it.
I banned you in other thread for going offtopic in it. I also posted a message for all members to stay on topic in it. You were talking about Hamas and Israel in that thread and I conveyed to you the ground realities of this region. You expect people to take you seriously when you boast that Hamas can fight a war with Israel? Israel can dismantle Gaza within hours but global pressure and optics are major factors and considerations. Palestine is a highly sensitive humanitarian issue and global view is that it should be resolved peacefully. Israel is CLIPPED in this manner. This is off-topic conversation for this thread as well. Stick to the argument on hand.
"If you cannot address my points well and correctly, we might need to ignore each other on this thread going forward to prevent f urther problems- i understand many things better than you do, but you hate that, so you always attack me, or make weird red herring distraction points, but i know when i have a point, my IQ is high enough."
Wonderful. Your remarkable grasp of global affairs and military-focused is duly noted. I am simply wondering what exactly you are right about.
8. It is very difficult and costly for a regional power to occupy and execute "regime range" in another regional power in modern times. This was apparent in Iran-Iraq war. This was apparent in Indo-Pak conflicts. There are additional case studies and assessments in relation.
Being anti-war is OK (humanistic) but you are too naive to understand how US remains strong and prevents other powers and actors from harming it and undermining its interests around the world. Even distant observers like me understand a few things. Funny.
ISIS again. How many times I have to tell you that US bombed ISIS to oblivion? You continue to demonstrate trollish mindset with your phony repetitions in each thread and cry wolf when somebody attempts to correct you. You unnecessarily laugh at my posts and then wonder why I am reacting and responding to you. I have told you in very friendly terms to revisit your knowledge and be more receptive to opposing views, to no avail.
You can choose to continue on your current trajectory but then do not be surprised if I change my view about you. WE have done much to accomodate Iranian viewpoints in this forum with our Moderating activities. But this is
Pakistani platform in the end. Learn to argue your case in a better way and be more receptive to opposing views. Do not take my patience and hospitality for granted. My message to YOU in particular. Recheck Forum Rules to refresh your memory for a change.
