Iran is sending a hell'va alot of weapons into Russia's campaign - Ukraine officials are now blaming Iran of murdering Ukraine civilians

[A.P. Richelieu]

we didn't knew its fun , we learned it from the best AKA, NATO, terrorist CENTCOM and Israel .
and its the dish we are serving cold . remember the chemical weapon you gave Saddam, remember the MKO terrorists you harbor and support, remember hundreds n thousands of more enmity you commit against Iran

and its not our problem how Russia use the weapon we send to them . do you guys at NATO ever had problem with for example how Israel use weapons you gave them or how KSA use the weapons you gave them

Maybe Mossadegh should not have confiscated British property just because he did not like the deal that was voluntarily signed by Iran.
Maybe Iranians should not have violated treaties on diplomatic immunity.
Ukraine can certainly make it your problem.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Maybe Mossadegh should not have confiscated British property just because he did not like the deal that was voluntarily signed by Iran.
Maybe Iranians should not have violated treaties on diplomatic immunity.
Ukraine can certainly make it your problem.

instead of asking other s do it be man , have back bone and do it yourself.
the others already shown that are not man enough to do it

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Which gives Ukraine the legal right to attack Iran.

How? Neither Ukraine or Russia declared war on each other "officially". We know they are fighting a war but on paper they aren't.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

instead of asking other s do it be man , have back bone and do it yourself.
the others already shown that are not man enough to do it

So you are someone that thinks is it "fun" to kill civilians.
You also think that testosteron is what should be govern someone, not what is legal and proper.
Are you out on the streets in Iran killing teenagers?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

How? Neither Ukraine or Russia declared war on each other "officially". We know they are fighting a war but on paper they aren't.

There is no doubt that Ukraine and Russia is engaged in an "International Armed Conflict".
That is what treaties cover, not "war".

There are only two legal positions for a country in an "International Armed Conflict".
Either you are neutral, or you are not.
You lose your neutrality in a war when you violate the terms of neutrality.

Iran has chosen to abandon its neutrality, so it is no longer neutral in the conflict.
That is equivalent to declaring war legally so on paper, they are at war.

Non-belligerent

A non-belligerent is a person, a state, or other organization that does not fight in a given conflict. The term is often used to describe a country that does not take part militarily in a war. The status is non-existent in international law.[1] A non-belligerent state differs from a neutral one...

military-history.fandom.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

So you are someone that thinks is it "fun" to kill civilians.
You also think that testosteron is what should be govern someone, not what is legal and proper.
Are you out on the streets in Iran killing teenagers?

you have the right to call about legal if you cared about it a little .
was it legal to give Saddam chemical weapons , was it legal protecting it in UNSC after he used it against cities .
nothing illegal about selling weapon who is not under UNSC sanction

Iran has chosen to abandon its neutrality, so it is no longer neutral in the conflict.
That is equivalent to declaring war legally so on paper, they are at war.

no its not equal to declare war . and an both WW1 and WW2 we were neutral who honored our neutrality , we learned not to be neutral the hard way.
and only a neutral country can lecture us on neutrality , you are not neutral

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Ah,no,not necessarily.
The US DOD law of war manual clearly points out that "acts that are incompatible with the relationship between the neutral State and a belligerent State under the law of neutrality need not end the neutral State’s neutrality and bring that State into the conflict as a belligerent"

In other words Just because iran may have provided weapons to russia does not make it a party to,ie a co-belligerent to the international armed conflict in the ukraine.

You might want to look under IHL [International Humanitarian Law] 1949 Geneva Convention III

No it doesnt,nor does repeating this claim ad nauseam magically make it so.

That simply says that a neutral country may violate its neutrality in some ways that would not end its neutrality. Delivering arms is a grave violation of neutrality.

you have the right to call about legal if you cared about it a little .
was it legal to give Saddam chemical weapons , was it legal protecting it in UNSC after he used it against cities .
nothing illegal about selling weapon who is not under UNSC sanction


no its not equal to declare war . and an both WW1 and WW2 we were neutral who honored our neutrality , we learned not to be neutral the hard way.
and only a neutral country can lecture us on neutrality , you are not neutral

As you admit you are not neutral, you should not complain if You are legally attacked by those you try to oppress.

 

[raptor22]

The fact that Iranians consider killing civilians is ”fun” is probably an incentive to do something about it. It is said that revenge is a dish best served cold.

Well considering the fact that our region has been ruined by the same gang that now supporting Ukraine like invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and ... in one case in Iraq they provided Sadam with everything from CW to nuclear reactor and satellite footage.
The same happened in Yemen. So they can not take gesture of being innocent.
Second thing is, up until 2020 EU countries were selling weapons to Russia despite the fact that they said Russia invaded Crime:

"... According to “confidential-defense” documents obtained by Disclose and information from open sources, France has issued at least 76 export licenses for war material to Russia since 2015. Total amount of these contracts: 152 million euros. euros, as indicated in the latest report to Parliament on arms exports, without however specifying the type of equipment delivered.​

According to the investigation, these exports mainly concern thermal cameras intended to equip more than 1,000 Russian tanks, as well as navigation systems and infrared detectors for fighter planes and combat helicopters of the Russian air force. Main beneficiaries of these markets: the companies Thales and Safran, of which the French State is the main shareholder..."​

Not to mentioned were happy importing its 40% gas from it ... even despite they lessened the gas supply from Russia to just 20% they continued till September 2022.

On the other hand two decades of eastward NATO expansion up to Russia's borders, the European association agreement which provoked the Ukrainian crisis also included clauses to integrate Ukraine into the EU defense structure next to entirely unconstitutional takeover administration (including attacks on government buildings) when the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration in 2014 (not to mentioned Orange revolution back in 2004) has pushed Russia to take desperate measures.

I mean the US and NATO are big part of the reason behind the war, like what they doing by "One China" idea ... selling weapons to Taiwan, sending diplomats there etc etc ... the US is poking China and probably one day in future would blame China for any conflict in that area,

Furthermore, Russia despite its performance is a military superpower with all type of BM, CM and a decent air force ... several hundred Iranians drones doesn't make that hell of change in the whole story.


PS:

The fact that EU-NATO-US consider killing civilians is ”fun” is probably an incentive to do something about it. It is said that revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well considering the fact that our region has been ruined by the same gang that now supporting Ukraine like invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and ... in one case in Iraq they provided Sadam with everything from CW to nuclear reactor and satellite footage.
The same happened in Yemen. So they can not take gesture of being innocent.
Second thing is, up until 2020 EU countries were selling weapons to Russia despite the fact that they said Russia invaded Crime:
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"... According to “confidential-defense” documents obtained by Disclose and information from open sources, France has issued at least 76 export licenses for war material to Russia since 2015. Total amount of these contracts: 152 million euros. euros, as indicated in the latest report to Parliament on arms exports, without however specifying the type of equipment delivered.​

According to the investigation, these exports mainly concern thermal cameras intended to equip more than 1,000 Russian tanks, as well as navigation systems and infrared detectors for fighter planes and combat helicopters of the Russian air force. Main beneficiaries of these markets: the companies Thales and Safran, of which the French State is the main shareholder..."​

Not to mentioned were happy importing its 40% gas from it ... even despite they lessened the gas supply from Russia to just 20% they continued till September 2022.

On the other hand two decades of eastward NATO expansion up to Russia's borders, the European association agreement which provoked the Ukrainian crisis also included clauses to integrate Ukraine into the EU defense structure next to entirely unconstitutional takeover administration (including attacks on government buildings) when the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration in 2014 (not to mentioned Orange revolution back in 2004) has pushed Russia to take desperate measures.

I mean the US and NATO are big part of the reason behind the war, like what they doing by "One China" idea ... selling weapons to Taiwan, sending diplomats there etc etc ... the US is poking China and probably one day in future would blame China for any conflict in that area,

Furthermore, Russia despite its performance is a military superpower with all type of BM, CM and a decent air force ... several hundred Iranians drones doesn't make that hell of change in the whole story.


PS:

The fact that EU-NATO-US consider killing civilians is ”fun” is probably an incentive to do something about it. It is said that revenge is a dish best served cold.

Your region has been ruined by the many dictators like Saddam Hussein, Gadaffi, father and son, Mulla Omar and Khomeini.
Saddam attacked the US multiple times after the cease fire including an assassination attempt on George H.W. Bush.
Gadaffi blew up US soldiers in Germany and caused the Lockerbie attack.
Mullah Omar harboured the terrorists that attacked NATO 9/11.
It is quite tiresome to have to explain to people that such things have consequences.

The Middle East is also is a greenhouse for terrorist organisations like ISIS and Hamas. Iran certainly fuels war all over the Middle East.

it is not illegal to ship weapons to Russia, but any country that is attacked by Russia have the right to self-defense. That puts Iran in the crosshair.

Ukraine has the sovereign right to join whatever organisation they want. Russia does not have the right to react military to that.

And No, NATO does not consider killing civilians to be ”fun”. It is something that goes with war, and should be avoided. That is why Western Armies evaluates major operations with lawyers.
Countries in the Middle East are much, much worse here.

 

[Hack-Hook]

That simply says that a neutral country may violate its neutrality in some ways that would not end its neutrality. Delivering arms is a grave violation of neutrality.


As you admit you are not neutral, you should not complain if You are legally attacked by those you try to oppress.

if they attack , they attacked somebody who has not participated in war , again not being neutral is different with participating in war , and we win't complain we simply throw drone and cruise missile and ballistic missile at them from our land and unlike Russia we won't be nice and won't try to minimize damage .

and again only a neutral party can lecture us on neutrality and you are not neutral. also remain the small problem that Ukraine have no option on how to attack us but we have many option on attacking them from Iran .and also the problem of our doctrine which is a war with us start on your term but finish on ours it simply mean in that case they can reach a peace with Russia but we still hit them with drones and missiles . if they like that they can come

but as i said previously every one agree that they must attack Iran but everyone also agree that others must do it and they want no part in it.

Ukraine has the sovereign right to join whatever organisation they want. Russia does not have the right to react military to that.

that's something you must solve between yourself and Russia and we don't care about it at all .

The Middle East is also is a greenhouse for terrorist organisations like ISIS and Hamas.

one result of Israel land grab tendency one is the result of USA and EU intervention in middle east and even admitted by USA president that it was built by USA

 

[Hack-Hook]

And No, NATO does not consider killing civilians to be ”fun”. It is something that goes with war, and should be avoided. That is why Western Armies evaluates major operations with lawyers.

that is why Israel killed 4 time more civilian , in war with Lebanon than killing Hezbollah fighter while the actual war was in area already evacuated .
that is why in USA attack on panama 3000 civilian died and only 300 military personnel.
thats the reason of those bombing of weddings and civilian shelters and hospitals . that is why so much collateral damage

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

if they attack , they attacked somebody who has not participated in war , again not being neutral is different with participating in war , and we win't complain we simply throw drone and cruise missile and ballistic missile at them from our land and unlike Russia we won't be nice and won't try to minimize damage .

and again only a neutral party can lecture us on neutrality and you are not neutral. also remain the small problem that Ukraine have no option on how to attack us but we have many option on attacking them from Iran .and also the problem of our doctrine which is a war with us start on your term but finish on ours it simply mean in that case they can reach a peace with Russia but we still hit them with drones and missiles . if they like that they can come

but as i said previously every one agree that they must attack Iran but everyone also agree that others must do it and they want no part in it.


that's something you must solve between yourself and Russia and we don't care about it at all .

one result of Israel land grab tendency one is the result of USA and EU intervention in middle east and even admitted by USA president that it was built by USA

Once you abandon a neutral position, you are ”participating” in the war.
International Law does not mention non-belligerency.

That Iran will ignore rules of war and will violate every part of the Geneva Convention is not surprising, since that is the modus operandi of most Middle Eastern countries.

At the same time, they whine about invented war crimes without even trying to provide evidence of crimes.

Anyone that knows the rules of neutrality can lecture you about it.

Russia artillery fires tens of thousands of shells every day. Iran attacking Ukraine will make very little difference. I bet it would be much more different for Iran, even if Iran in actual terms will do more damage.

In Middle East, the Middle East Arab States are the origins of all wars from the end of the WWII, but whine about the response to the aggression.

that is why Israel killed 4 time more civilian , in war with Lebanon than killing Hezbollah fighter while the actual war was in area already evacuated .
that is why in USA attack on panama 3000 civilian died and only 300 military personnel.
thats the reason of those bombing of weddings and civilian shelters and hospitals . that is why so much collateral damage

You equate killing civilians in war with your opinion that it is fun to kill civilians.
They are not the same thing.
Using random claims, possibly exaggerated, from Youtube on Panama does not change that. Other sources say 200-500 civilians killed, but not who killed them. You are welcome to show which Israeli attacks in Lebanon were not against targets helping Hezbollah to sustain its war against Israel. Attacks against belligerents which does not maintain separation betwen the military and civilians are always going to ge5 civilians killed. The responsibility lies with those that jeopardize their own civilians this way.

And you never answered whether you kill Iranian teenagers for fun…

 

[RescueRanger]

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When there is a will, there is a way.

It's a shame that someone of the pedigree of Goring, who was an actual war hero turned out to be a power-hungry sycophant, Goring always proscribed to the stab-in-the-back myth, an antisemitic conspiracy which stated that the Germany Army never really lost WWI but was betrayed by Jews, socialists and labour unionists.

Like most senior German Military officers, he struggled to adjust to civilian life and was a consultant with FOKKER and even ended up training pilots in Switzerland before joining hands with Hitler after being introduced to him during a dinner party by Hitler's mentor Dietrich Eckart.

Goring what shot in the arse during the original Beer Hall Putsch in Munich. The bullet wound caused damage to his sciatic nerve and most likely his piriformis muscle. He ended up getting addicted to Morphine and by the WWII set in was a drug-addled mess. Whilst he initially saw success in WWII with the Luftwaffe defeating the vastly inferior Polish Airforce and the success of the bombing campaign past the French Maginot Line, his later plans all failed due to incompetence and over promising and under delivering. The most famous of which was operation Uranus.

Ultimately Goring was not the military genius everyone claims him to be.

How many of these are in service in Ukraine? There are quite a large number of British made Mastiff MRAP's operating in Ukraine at the moment,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591471326405230594

Some have been destroyed in combat but based on a few videos they have worked well the Ukranian armed forces.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Maybe Mossadegh should not have confiscated British property just because he did not like the deal that was voluntarily signed by Iran.

Signed by a government that was not sovereign. So the deal's legal value was null and void.

Moreover the British regime refused to renegotiate the accord to Iran's satisfaction even though altered circumstances (devaluation of the Pound post-WW2) warranted such a revision, while Iran was prevented from leaving the deal out of fear for violent reprisal by London.

Maybe Iranians should not have violated treaties on diplomatic immunity.

Maybe prior to this, USA diplomatic personnel should have refrained from violating the principle of non-intervention in another state's domestic affairs.

Ukraine can certainly make it your problem.

Ukraine certainly has no means to do so.

Once you abandon a neutral position, you are ”participating” in the war.
International Law does not mention non-belligerency.

That Iran will ignore rules of war and will violate every part of the Geneva Convention is not surprising, since that is the modus operandi of most Middle Eastern countries.

At the same time, they whine about invented war crimes without even trying to provide evidence of crimes.

Anyone that knows the rules of neutrality can lecture you about it.

Western jurists categorically disagree with this notion.

 

[RescueRanger]

Signed by a government that was not sovereign. So the deal's legal value was null and void.

Moreover the British regime refused to renegotiate the accord to Iran's satisfaction even though altered circumstances (devaluation of the Pound post-WW2) warranted such a revision, while Iran was prevented of leaving the deal out of fear for violent reprisal by London.



Maybe USA diplomatic personnel should not have violated the principle of non-intervention in another state's domestic affairs beforehand.



Ukraine certainly has no means to do so.

The war will be over by Summer 2023 if the present state of Russian withdrawal continues.