Zakir Naik: Pakistan should not have been created

[kasper95]

Asking Indian Muslims to choose between religion and India will mean destruction of it.(india)

What about asking Pakistani Muslim to choose between religion and Pakistan ,does that mean destruction of Pakistan. For get others what will you choose country or religion ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's exactly what i meant when i said give them 2 more generations..by weakening i mean by weakening the rigidity in faith,and it for every faith.
Liberalism allows to keep that rigidity, as you can see in Europe. That's why i think uniform civil code and other similar laws are good thing...

For that our Government needs to provide people with religion neutral education.

Instead even now we allow madrassas as an alternative to regular education. We still have a Hindu modern law, a Muslim personal law etc.

Our society needs to learn more about Islam too. This is very important. Victims of terror acts start hating all Muslims. I grew up in Muslim areas. I know that is not the right response. I know what goes on on Fridays in South Srinagar up to Hari Singh Hospital. The people are only partly at fault here. The madness needs to stop. It needs to be discouraged.

If Christians start preaching Crusades against non Christians in India, how do you think should we act? Of course, they don't. But you get my point.

 

[MAS9]

What about asking Pakistani Muslim to choose between religion and Pakistan ,does that mean destruction of Pakistan. For get others what will you choose country or religion ?

He will choose religion. But in Islamic countries, patriotism is part of the religion. So such a question does not arise.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Just because you have a few pieces of anecdotal evidence doesn't make your claim true

That is because the indoctrination happens at the household level. Children should ideally undergo a schooling that is residential in nature. Upto a certain age. During this time civilization ethics and values should only inculcated. Not religious dogma.

It can work. Without indulging in stupid fantasies of culling Hindus or Muslims in large numbers. But it requires hard work and committment.

 

[kasper95]

I'm saying we are incompatible civilizations and this is leading to tension that boils over e

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He will choose religion. But in Islamic countries, patriotism is part of the religion. So such a question does notarise.

So you choose religion,that's what we want in pakistanies .that's the mindset we want in Pakistan

 

[SarthakGanguly]

choose country or religion ?

For Islamic countries, that question does not arise.

You have never been to a Khutbah, have you?

 

[Kabira]

No. Very impractical solutions.

Now it is too late for that.

2 things will happen.

1. Eventually IR Pakistan will invade India with tactical nukes. Within the next 10 to 15 years.
2. Then things can go either way. Either of us will eventually exist.

Its never too late, just 70 years passed which is nothing. Religions are eternal compared to 70 years. You guys couldn't get over hinduism caste system after thousands of years of blood mixing and taking bath in same ganga.

We are not interested in invading India. Only time India is even mentioned in Pakistan is because of Kashmir issue, and even then Kashmiris cry all the time bcz Pakistani media does not give attention to Kashmir. If Pakistan could then at best will liberate IoK. Hindus are never mentioned as if they don't exist and neither Indian muslims. It shows Pakistan model was successful.

In India there is single muslim majority state IoK, and you need 700,000 army in streets to control it. You have 180 million muslims who barely make 14% of population, doesn't matter in politics but still used by hindutvas to win votes. With more Pakistans out of India where muslims will make 99% of population and rest is left for Bharat where hindus will make 99%.

Then we can concentrate on lifting populations out of poverty instead of building nukes.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's why i think uniform civil code and other similar laws are good thing...

Actually both extremes are beneficial for non Muslims. IN the long run.

If Muslims become Khilafatists (like the 1920s), non Muslims will be united.
If they become liberals and take religion seriously, the clergy will collapse (like the Rom. Cat. Church) and there will be more integration.

Beech mein phasa rha to - problem.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Didn't realise that you speak for whole KPK

I don't. I expressed my opinion like anybody else here.

living in UK

Well, that certainly did not handicap one gentleman named Jinnah - who went on to lead Pakistan to independance or that other chap called Rehmat who while living in UK invented the the name "Pakistan".

 

[Tea addict]

Our society needs to learn more about Islam too. This is very important

I think this is most important...i started understanding why some people, societies or even entire nations acts in certain way when i learned about terms like " ummah" " kufr" "wajib ul qatal" and many more.
The most important term, which is more important than all these terms combined is " taqiyya" ..if people learn all this, they will realize what is happening and things will get better.

 

[salarsikander]

Well, that certainly did not handicap one gentleman named Jinnah - who went on to lead Pakistan to independance or that other chap called Rehmat who while living in UK invented the the name "Pakistan".

Do you think that they were living the UK as citizens or nationals or rather as students, in an essence and working for new entity called Pakistan?
Technically they were citizens of raj actually working for Pakistan who moved back.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

taqiyya

Taqiyya is misunderstood. It is largely a Shiite concept, I am sorry to say. Not a mainstream Islamic covenant, to be fair. About the rest, you are right.

Also if you are truly interested about Kashmir, you can subscribe to some channels like Kashmir Observer/Monitor/Gyawun etc. You will understand the slogans that people shout. Slogans that our media (of all colors) ignores.

Do you think that they were living the UK as citizens or nationals or rather as students, in an essence and working for new entity called Pakistan?
Technically they were citizens of raj actually working for Pakistan who moved back.

You are back to beating the non resident desis again?

 

[Tea addict]

Taqiyya is misunderstood. It is largely a Shiite concept, I am sorry to say. Not a mainstream Islamic covenant, to be fair.


You are back to beating the non resident desis again?

I don't think so, the political element of it is used by everyone. Even non muslims.

 

[Hiptullha]

I think this is most important...i started understanding why some people, societies or even entire nations acts in certain way when i learned about terms like " ummah" " kufr" "wajib ul qatal" and many more.
The most important term, which is more important than all these terms combined is " taqiyya" ..if people learn all this, they will realize what is happening and things will get better.

On the other hand, the only term I needed to know was 'Gomutra' to understand how sick and disgusting a certain religion was.

 

[salarsikander]

You are back to beating the non resident desis again?

I am also back to showing gangaite their place