Z10 evaluation finally ended

[Army research]

Hazrat has become famous. Tribune.com.pk mentioned hazrat by name. So stop demonizing him

Could you please provide the link for that [emoji38]

 

[Zarvan]

same argument for JF17s we rolled out the 100th jet yet china has none
its about suitability in the end for a country

. T-129, cobra or mi5 s might be more suitable for pakistan




hazoors Hazrats and Huzraat
i dont think the major is an official endorsement or rejection after the evolution. but we been testing t129 very extensively too and it seems we might be tilted towards turkish machine

I am in doubt because what I know is that Z-10 evaluation ended long ago and they were returned few months back

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

historical army has never really opted for joint production unless pushed

I think with the T129 a big factor was TAI offering offsets to PAC - i.e. basically buy T129 parts and services from PAC for Turkish Army T129s. So if the Pakistani T129 program costs $1.5 bn for 30 helicopters, over 10 years TAI might buy $250 to $500 m in products and services from PAC. The other aspect is if under T129 the likes of Aselsan, Havelsan, Roketsan, etc set-up shop in Pakistan they might use Pakistani suppliers to implement the PA order. The overall idea is to have as much of the procurement money as possible spent within Pakistan.

 

[Talon]

Why are serving military personal now posting whatever they want on social media!? And making comments like "not the best of machines".

The military leadership needs to crack down on this.

Calm down brother...he's just giving his opinion.
But yeah this social media thing is getting out of hands...airforce is a bit strict in this matter as compared to the army though.

 

[princefaisal]

Better to induct Atak 1 and Atak 2, rather than Atak 1 and Z10

 

[Akasa]

As I've stated many times before, until the Z-10 gets a decent powerplant, it will always fall short of other helicopters such as the AH-64 and Mi-24 in armor, sensors, performance, and payload.

 

[princefaisal]

As I've stated many times before, until the Z-10 gets a decent powerplant, it will always fall short of other helicopters such as the AH-64 and Mi-24 in armor, sensors, performance, and payload.

Design wise, Z10 seems better than T129. But engine, sensors & other electronics does matter most.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Hazrat has become famous. Tribune.com.pk mentioned hazrat by name. So stop demonizing him

link

 

[Bratva]

Could you please provide the link for that [emoji38]

link

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[fatman17]

@fatman17 @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Signalian @Zarvan

The officer has told us what we knew already.

 

[monitor]

same argument for JF17s we rolled out the 100th jet yet china has none
its about suitability in the end for a country

. T-129, cobra or mi5 s might be more suitable for pakistan




hazoors Hazrats and Huzraat
i dont think the major is an official endorsement or rejection after the evolution. but we been testing t129 very extensively too and it seems we might be tilted towards turkish machine

Why not heavy weight MI-28NM as a counter to Indian Apache ?

 

[graphican]

If Z-10 was short on expectations, I am sure China can meet where you want to take it. They have technology, infrastructure, resources and reason to support you. Be part of Z-10 program for the next 10 years and have JF-Z10 made out of it.

 

[Maxpane]

so wats new

 

[Hu Yao]

If Z-10 was short on expectations, I am sure China can meet where you want to take it. They have technology, infrastructure, resources and reason to support you. Be part of Z-10 program for the next 10 years and have JF-Z10 made out of it.

Because China and Pakistan are friends, the trade is fair. You need WZ-10, we will talk about joint venture. You don't need it? That's OK too!

Z-10 is never designed to work in hot and high altitude south asia weather. The engines of WZ-10 lost too much power, so the plane didn't perform well in Pakistan. Upgrade Z-10 needed time, and Pakistan need those Heli badly. It's OK you guys buy Mi-35 or T-129.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why not heavy weight MI-28NM as a counter to Indian Apache ?

because armies dont counter copter for copter.
it might be true in case of MBTs where you will field an MBT to counter it (along with any other ground or air counters).

unless our military has a need or role for a heavy copter. we wont buy one and that buy is not driven by what kind of copter India has. Indian heavy gunship will be countered with ground fire or PAF jets (or counter anything that India will field to cover their heavy gunships or counter our counters and so on..).