Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[Zarvan]

Is Pakistan use wz-10 attack helicopter

We are testing 3 of them if the pass tests and we get satisfied by their performance we would order lot more

 

[kungfugymnast]

The heat shield is over rated. West always spread many false hope and brag abt how effective and powerful this feature is. The US brag abt their M1A tank seperate compartment can protect crew In case of a penetration compare to Russian T-72 chassis which is nothing but a pack of rubbish.

The heat shield is totally useless against modern MANPAD like stinger II or China FN-6 which uses next generation IR lenses.

WZ-10 possess powerful datalink which is has process info from other sources. Modern gunship do not work alone. They work in a group and share info. UAV or WZ-9 fitted with radar can easily fed other gunship and form formidable attack.

I advise stop listening too much of western propaganda bragging abt their weapon.

@Zarvan is actually correct on US attack helicopter capabilities and strengths. China is still behind in terms of attack helicopters tech. Because russia refused to sell hokum or mi28 to china, it won't be able to reverse engineer heavy and powerful attack helicopter early.

Apache is best attack helicopter, it had the best survival rate with best avionics and countermeasures. You don't have to listen, you just have to ask directly military and insurgents who fought apaches and abrams. When situation is scarce, you think you can get UAV to assist you? That UAV might be shot down already. The longbow ah64d/e allows you to be independent, sneak through trees and launch hellfire missiles without being spotted.

The downgraded Iraqis m1a1 proved to be far better than t72. The anti~tank missiles failed to punch through its thick armor, only able to damage the tracks, engines, turret and ammo bustle. But not to worry because china obtained abrams from Hezbollah via Iran and done reverse engineering on it. Russians bought some for same purpose.

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan is actually correct on US attack helicopter capabilities and strengths. China is still behind in terms of attack helicopters tech. Because russia refused to sell hokum or mi28 to china, it won't be able to reverse engineer heavy and powerful attack helicopter early.

Apache is best attack helicopter, it had the best survival rate with best avionics and countermeasures. You don't have to listen, you just have to ask directly military and insurgents who fought apaches and abrams. When situation is scarce, you think you can get UAV to assist you? That UAV might be shot down already. The longbow ah64d/e allows you to be independent, sneak through trees and launch hellfire missiles without being spotted.

The downgraded Iraqis m1a1 proved to be far better than t72. The anti~tank missiles failed to punch through its thick armor, only able to damage the tracks, engines, turret and ammo bustle. But not to worry because china obtained abrams from Hezbollah via Iran and done reverse engineering on it. Russians bought some for same purpose.

Sorry Iraqi M1A1 proved to be disaster as for Apache it had been shot down several times in Iraq and other parts of the world but still a great beast. As for WZ-10 with good Air to Air Missile and 8 Anti Tank Missiles it is great machine for us

 

[kungfugymnast]

Sorry Iraqi M1A1 proved to be disaster as for Apache it had been shot down several times in Iraq and other parts of the world but still a great beast. As for WZ-10 with good Air to Air Missile and 8 Anti Tank Missiles it is great machine for us

Iraqi m1a1 is not as good as the actual m1a1 but the iraqi forces had poor strategy that their tanks went deep into ambush point without infantry back up.

US ah64 apache in desert storm, 2 were shot down by multiple AAA, Sams and tanks when the squad of Apaches flew over enemy large ground forces without knowing it. In iraqi freedom, there's 1 apache that suffered engine malfunction and landed hard, not being shotdown.

If china wanted truly good attack helicopter, it would need an AH-1z Viper from Pakistan to reverse engineer. But still, the viper is not true heavy attack helicopter in the same league as Apache, hokum and havoc

 

[Beast]

@Zarvan is actually correct on US attack helicopter capabilities and strengths. China is still behind in terms of attack helicopters tech. Because russia refused to sell hokum or mi28 to china, it won't be able to reverse engineer heavy and powerful attack helicopter early.

Apache is best attack helicopter, it had the best survival rate with best avionics and countermeasures. You don't have to listen, you just have to ask directly military and insurgents who fought apaches and abrams. When situation is scarce, you think you can get UAV to assist you? That UAV might be shot down already. The longbow ah64d/e allows you to be independent, sneak through trees and launch hellfire missiles without being spotted.

The downgraded Iraqis m1a1 proved to be far better than t72. The anti~tank missiles failed to punch through its thick armor, only able to damage the tracks, engines, turret and ammo bustle. But not to worry because china obtained abrams from Hezbollah via Iran and done reverse engineering on it. Russians bought some for same purpose.

In a modern warfare, military system do not work alone. Can your F-15 enter enemy airspace w/o AWACS /AEW support. Yes it can but chances of survivor against a peer foe is low. Modern gunship too. Using MALE UAV to provide the targeting and surveilance is the best solution Becos it survey in higher place, see further and better. Longbow radar can never outrange UAV surveilance capabilities unless it install an aircraft size radar scan. Talking abt air threat to UAV. If something can threat it, it will be also a threat to attack gunship.

As for western product, they tend to exaggerated and overstate their weapon while using careful phase and stage non combat field test to prove their point while using lots of untrue fact to bash opponent weapon.

 

[kungfugymnast]

In a modern warfare, military system do not work alone. Can your F-15 enter enemy airspace w/o AWACS /AEW support. Yes it can but chances of survivor against a peer foe is low. Modern gunship too. Using MALE UAV to provide the targeting and surveilance is the best solution Becos it survey in higher place, see further and better. Longbow radar can never outrange UAV surveilance capabilities unless it install an aircraft size radar scan. Talking abt air threat to UAV. If something can threat it, it will be also a threat to attack gunship.

As for western product, they tend to exaggerated and overstate their weapon while using careful phase and stage non combat field test to prove their point while using lots of untrue fact to bash opponent weapon.

Gunship could fly low and go terrain mapping, which is why apaches were often used to take out SAM sites and enemy radars. UAV doesn't do that, check how often US drones being shot down.

US weapons aren't exaggerated, they are good and which is why China took US weapons to challenge trying to build something better.

Look at how Apaches were ambushed by entire ground forces hidden in city during karbala missions, 29 of them took multiple serious hits yet managed to return home out of 30. Exclude 1 that crashed during take off probably on purpose as the pilot was too nervous with urban warfare assault. If this happened to other attack helicopters, the casualties would be far higher. Wz10 and wz19 lacked the armor in apache, hokum and havoc.

If AWACS got shot down, the f15s could still operate. There are times where f15s got itself into unexpected situation that they performed well and defeated the surprise attackers. Yes, you need support from surveillance but not rely heavily on them as they might not be available all the time.

 

[Akasa]

It seems that work has started on a heavyweight helicopter which, according to rumors, will look like a mix between the Mi-28 and AH-64.

It is unknown if this project is related to the stealthy attack helicopter that is slated for induction in 2020.

 

[black-hawk_101]

so how many Z-10P Block-I will China going to supply? I think it will 20 in nos. As these will be guarding the Balochistan CPEC area.

 

[cirr]

It seems that work has started on a heavyweight helicopter which, according to rumors, will look like a mix between the Mi-28 and AH-64.

It is unknown if this project is related to the stealthy attack helicopter that is slated for induction in 2020.

A pair of WZ-10s should provide more than enough power for the said。

 

[Beast]

We have experiment helo mount radar but finds the result inferior compare to UAV fed datalink support. That is why China UAV is expanding rapidly and advancing quickly. UAV is stealthier, flys higher and has a great endurance. The combo of UAV , satelite plus attack helo proves far superior than longbow radar.

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The key is a modern, powerful and reliable datalink in nowadays warfare.

Apache-UAV teaming combines 'best capabilities of man, machine' | Article | The United States Army

Something interesting experience by American to prove UAV that will make longbow radar outdated. As proven why WZ-10 has not employ longbow style radar. China is moving ahead fast , using more modern UAV and gunship combo for modern anti-armour warfare. The days of having helo mount radar being rely on, is over.

@Zarvan This why PAF is so keen to quickly developed UCAV technology to support its future gunship fleet. PAF is preparing to deploy large number of WZ-10. UCAV flies higher which makes them safe from ground gun fire and less chance detected by enemy, loiter time longer. Far superior than limited longbow radar range.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Apache-UAV teaming combines 'best capabilities of man, machine' | Article | The United States Army

Something interesting experience by American to prove UAV that will make longbow radar outdated. As proven why WZ-10 has not employ longbow style radar. China is moving ahead fast , using more modern UAV and gunship combo for modern anti-armour warfare. The days of having helo mount radar being rely on, is over.

@Zarvan This why PAF is so keen to quickly developed UCAV technology to support its future gunship fleet. PAF is preparing to deploy large number of WZ-10. UCAV flies higher which makes them safe from ground gun fire and less chance detected by enemy, loiter time longer. Far superior than limited longbow radar range.

An attack helicopter having its own radar means it is less dependent on UCAV or UAV. UCAV and UAV are prone to real powerful jammer if it is remotely piloted or possibly being hacked and seized control. Unless that drone has its own A but still never rely on 1 heavily.

WZ10 is temporary main attack helicopter until China obtain powerful heavy long range attack helicopter tech. Like type96 was the primary mbt for PLA but now, ztz99a2 would go into mass production taking over as primary mbt defending China

 

[hk299792458]

I heard once here an Indian forumer said that chinese helicopters pilots can't fly durang night time, so I just want to post this :

Henri K.

 

[nang2]

I heard once here an Indian forumer said that chinese helicopters pilots can't fly durang night time, so I just want to post this :

Henri K.

Why don't you let them keep thinking that way? Besides, the video is in Chinese. How would they know?

 

[sheik]

I heard once here an Indian forumer said that chinese helicopters pilots can't fly durang night time, so I just want to post this :

Henri K.

Losers live in their illusion until getting lost again. You are wasting your time.

 

[Zain Ul Abideen Trimzy]

I have heard that this heli has very low service ceiling which isnt good of Pak Aviation cuz we need helis to counter indias LCHs on high altitude terrain like Siachen Kargil Gilgit etc etc etc is plaaf tring to increase its ceiling or will try or not?