Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[Beast]

PAA should proceed with ah1z viper because it is a better attack helicopter in terms of technology, avionics, payloads, engines power, armor, etc. China will only come up with better helicopter next round maybe after they get to reverse engineer better chopper.

Yes and let Pakistan continued held ransom to American will?

 

[kungfugymnast]

Yes and let Pakistan continued held ransom to American will?

What ransom? Pakistan will be safe if it pretends neutral and friendly to Americans. There are countries that buy from Russian, Chinese but at the same time from Americans. By doing so, America will not label Pakistan as enemy and turn its support to India. It's called play smart.

 

[Beast]

What ransom? Pakistan will be safe if it pretends neutral and friendly to Americans. There are countries that buy from Russian, Chinese but at the same time from Americans. By doing so, America will not label Pakistan as enemy and turn its support to India. It's called play smart.

As if Pakistan has a choice? USA has a history of blocking spares for PAF F-16 and even failing to deliver paid F-16 to PAF for policy against US interest. PAF current Viper has also difficulties getting spare from US supplier. I do not wish to elaborate further. Our Paskistan friends has more knowledge and history of those incident.

 

[kungfugymnast]

As if Pakistan has a choice? USA has a history of blocking spares for PAF F-16 and even failing to deliver paid F-16 to PAF for policy against US interest. PAF current Viper has also difficulties getting spare from US supplier. I do not wish to elaborate further. Our Paskistan friends has more knowledge and history of those incident.

Buy in small numbers then, just to let china reverse engineer and in return they get new attack helicopters with better engines, armor and payloads. Just don't break any law before getting the shipment.

Check how Iran got their f14 Alicats, f4, f5 and chieftain tanks operational without spare parts. Through replication aka reverse engineering done by Russian and Chinese. Genuine suppliers cut off deals, go for replica copy goods then. When they reach end of lifespan, replace with new fighters that are results of reverse engineering.

 

[black-hawk_101]

PAA should proceed with ah1z viper because it is a better attack helicopter in terms of technology, avionics, payloads, engines power, armor, etc. China will only come up with better helicopter next round maybe after they get to reverse engineer better chopper.

I think PAA has not done right at all. They should have procured more AH-1 Cobras from Turkey, Bahrain, Jordan, Spain, Philippines and USA as spare/full helicopter with upgrades and keep them running as much as they can.

Also, Vipers are not good and may be US might embargo it once again. So its better to have a fleet like I suggest.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

I think PAA has not done right at all. They should have procured more AH-1 Cobras from Turkey, Bahrain, Jordan, Spain, Philippines and USA as spare/full helicopter with upgrades and keep them running as much as they can.

Also, Vipers are not good and may be US might embargo it once again. So its better to have a fleet like I suggest.

Vipers are best out there . Viper is US marine equivalent of Apache .. they are equivalent of APache and in some spec and operations Vipers are better than apache...

getting viper as a main attack helicopter is a good decision ...

Foreign AH1 are obsolete and have completed their airframe life ... and can't be used further and they are also low altitude helicopters which can't be used in mountain areas

PAA should proceed with ah1z viper because it is a better attack helicopter in terms of technology, avionics, payloads, engines power, armor, etc

PAA have already proceeded with viper as main attack helicopter .. as number of viper are low (15 approved) .. rest of demand will be completed through WZ10
Mi35 M is being procured as well for para military and special forces
so in future PAA will have good attack chopper fleet

 

[kungfugymnast]

I think PAA has not done right at all. They should have procured more AH-1 Cobras from Turkey, Bahrain, Jordan, Spain, Philippines and USA as spare/full helicopter with upgrades and keep them running as much as they can.

Also, Vipers are not good and may be US might embargo it once again. So its better to have a fleet like I suggest.

Buying American weapons, Pakistan just need to play the game by the book to avoid embargo. Vipers are 1 of the best chopper actually, despite slightly 100shp less than denel rooivalk, the viper is far superior in terms of avionics, armor and aerodynamic. Don't waste money on worn out second hand old cobras that are non-worthy

Vipers are best out there . Viper is US marine equivalent of Apache .. they are equivalent of APache and in some spec and operations Vipers are better than apache...

getting viper as a main attack helicopter is a good decision ...

Foreign AH1 are obsolete and have completed their airframe life ... and can't be used further and they are also low altitude helicopters which can't be used in mountain areas





PAA have already proceeded with viper as main attack helicopter .. as number of viper are low (15 approved) .. rest of demand will be completed through WZ10
Mi35 M is being procured as well for para military and special forces
so in future PAA will have good attack chopper fleet

Good choice to have more varieties. Vipers for heavy and high risk assault, wz10 for recon and close air support while mi35 for transporting troops yet able to provide fire support.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... there's a separate tread regarding PA helicopter planning and acquisition ... There You can discuss what's wishful thinking, desirable or required ... and maybe even affordable but here let's stick to the topic !

Deino

 

[Zarvan]

Interesting, that this unit uses Z-10 with the new and old gun turret as well.

Photos of New Improved Version of China’s Apache — WZ-10 | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements
Can you explain the new changes done in WZ-10 and How would you rate this newly upgraded WZ-10 in comparison to Apache ?

 

[Deino]

Photos of New Improved Version of China’s Apache — WZ-10 | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements
Can you explain the new changes done in WZ-10 and How would you rate this newly upgraded WZ-10 in comparison to Apache ?

To admit that report is a bit off IMO. There are not four but only one image and externally there at least to my eyes to changes on the engines, even if it is reported that a more powerful version might be installed. Biggest change however is a recently introduced new gun-turret for the gun.

 

[Zarvan]

To admit that report is a bit off IMO. There are not four but only one image and externally there at least to my eyes to changes on the engines, even if it is reported that a more powerful version might be installed. Biggest change however is a recently introduced new gun-turret for the gun.

AH64 & 1Z uses "heat shield" on engine exhaust in order to reduce heat signature and disrupt heat seeking anti AIR missile. WZ10 lack this attribute.

More details will come with time.
Longbow type radar is crucial if Chinese want to make WZ10 of same class as American gunships. It vastly increases search,scan,track and engage capabilities of chopper. Longbow apache when was test against Ordinary Apache, it scored 270+ points against 70 points...... that's the difference....
A friend wrote this on Facebook will you like to answer the issues pointed out ? @Deino @cirr @Beast @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986

 

[Beast]

AH64 & 1Z uses "heat shield" on engine exhaust in order to reduce heat signature and disrupt heat seeking anti AIR missile. WZ10 lack this attribute.

More details will come with time.
Longbow type radar is crucial if Chinese want to make WZ10 of same class as American gunships. It vastly increases search,scan,track and engage capabilities of chopper. Longbow apache when was test against Ordinary Apache, it scored 270+ points against 70 points...... that's the difference....
A friend wrote this on Facebook will you like to answer the issues pointed out ? @Deino @cirr @Beast @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986

The heat shield is over rated. West always spread many false hope and brag abt how effective and powerful this feature is. The US brag abt their M1A tank seperate compartment can protect crew In case of a penetration compare to Russian T-72 chassis which is nothing but a pack of rubbish.

The heat shield is totally useless against modern MANPAD like stinger II or China FN-6 which uses next generation IR lenses.

WZ-10 possess powerful datalink which is has process info from other sources. Modern gunship do not work alone. They work in a group and share info. UAV or WZ-9 fitted with radar can easily fed other gunship and form formidable attack.

I advise stop listening too much of western propaganda bragging abt their weapon.

 

[Zarvan]

The heat shield is over rated. West always spread many false hope and brag abt how effective and powerful this feature is. The US brag abt their M1A tank seperate compartment can protect crew In case of a penetration compare to Russian T-72 chassis which is nothing but a pack of rubbish.

The heat shield is totally useless against modern MANPAD like stinger II or China FN-6 which uses next generation IR lenses.

WZ-10 possess powerful datalink which is has process info from other sources. Modern gunship do not work alone. They work in a group and share info. UAV or WZ-9 fitted with radar can easily fed other gunship and form formidable attack.

I advise stop listening too much of western propaganda bragging abt their weapon.

When China plans to introduce LongBow equivalent ?

 

[Beast]

When China plans to introduce LongBow equivalent ?

We have experiment helo mount radar but finds the result inferior compare to UAV fed datalink support. That is why China UAV is expanding rapidly and advancing quickly. UAV is stealthier, flys higher and has a great endurance. The combo of UAV , satelite plus attack helo proves far superior than longbow radar.

The key is a modern, powerful and reliable datalink in nowadays warfare.

 

[shahzad qamar]

Is Pakistan use wz-10 attack helicopter