Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[Developereo]

@Myth_buster_1

You are neither Chinese not Indian and nor Russian. You are just a self-deluded pakistani moron
who likes putting his fingers into everything.

This thread is not about India either, so what is your point?

 

[Arav_Rana]

agreed.

its better to take help from countries in such projects which have enormous experience of designing military platforms

China had no experience of designing attack helis in 1990s, so taking outside help was very good decision

Problem is that being in good relationship with Russia, India never tried to take such advantage. We are asking tot of everything, but we are not learning a bit from it.
India needs to learn from China.

 

[DrSomnath999]

March 07, 2013
Sergei Mikheyev, general designer of the Kamov Design Bureau, has revealed that the Russian helicopter company secretly designed the baseline version of the Z-10 attack helicopter for China in the mid-1990s.

The two-seat helicopter made its public debut at the 2012 Zhuhai air show in China, having undergone extensive testing by the People’s Liberation Army for several years. While an outward resemblance to the AgustaWestland A129 Mangusta was widely discussed, no connection was ever made to Kamov until Mikheyev’s announcement at the Heli-Expo convention here on March 6.

Commenting during a briefing on the Kamov product line, Mikheyev says the decision to reveal the Russian company’s role in the design of the Z-10 followed its unveiling by China at the air show late last year.

Kamov worked on the preliminary design at China’s request in 1995. “Due to understandable reasons this was kept secret, but we made the design and it was accepted by China,” Mikheyev says. The baseline design, which was known internally as Project 941, “was accepted for development,” he adds.

Until now, it was generally believed that the aircraft had been designed in China and that the only real foreign input was in the powerplant.

The Z-10’s development has been highly controversial. Five aircraft were powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67C engines fitted with full authority digital engine controls developed by Hamilton Sundstrand. Following investigations by federal agencies, United Technologies Corp., the parent company of the two firms, was fined $75 million for violating the Arms Export Control Act and making false statements in connection with the illegal export to China of U.S.-origin military software in June 2012.

According to evidence heard in the trial, China has sourced the engines under the pretense of producing a civil medium transport. PW&C provided up to 10 engines for the aircraft. Since then, it has been suggested that Z-10 manufacturer Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation has had to use a lower-rated indigenously-built engine in the helicopter, forcing it to undertake a significant weight-saving program until a new, more powerful engine becomes available.

Kamov is better known for its co-axial designs such as the Ka-32 transport helicopter and also the Ka-50/52 attack helicopters. The company is producing the Ka-62 utility helicopter.

“So I wish success to the helicopter,” Mikheyev adds.

Russian Roots Revealed In China's Z-10

Chinese Attack Helicopter's Secret Russian Roots

 

[Skull and Bones]

You're late in posting this thread.

 

[DrSomnath999]

well i didnt find it in similiar thread section.

Link please if true then mods merge it

 

[sweetgrape]

hehe, I have thought that, whether will second indian post the article here after put former one with sticky thread together?!
Hehe, guys, you are too late, don't worry, there will be more similar article later, like, on J20, J31.

And, If the moderator put the thread with sticky thread together too, Maybe the third similar thread will be opened by another indian!!!

 

[Ayush]

so many threads on china russia j10,j20 etc.

 

[XTREME]

China's Cutting-Edge Attack Helicopter Is Actually A Russian Design​

A recent post on Aviation Week revealed that China's cutting edge Z-10 helicopter is actually Russian.
That's right, China's premier attack helicopter, a first for the fledgling super power, was a product of the Russian company Kamov, Guy Norris of Aviation Week reports.
"Sergei Mikheyev, General Designer of the Kamov Design Bureau ... dropped the proverbial bombshell at Heli-Expo here in Las Vegas this afternoon," Norris writes, "Mikheyev told an astonished crowd that China’s Z-10/WZ-10 attack helicopter was actually designed in great secrecy under contract for China by Kamov."
Kamov is a Russian "rotary wing" helicopter manufacturing company which has seen great success building attack and transport helicopters for the Russian Air Force.
China played it off the whole time as if its company Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation was spearheading the lead on development. Maybe Kamov and the Russian felt bad for rejecting China's bids to buy MiG jets and attack helicopters in the late 90s early 200s.
It's important to note that Kamov was not the only entity that gave China a hand. Pratt and Whitney, and Canadian defense company, paid a hefty $75 million dollar fine for delivering helicopter engine hardware for the Z-10 to China.
Dave Majumdar of Flight Global write:
After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, [Mikheyev] says. Kamov did not participate in any further developmental work on the WZ-10, [Mikheyev] insists.
Majumdar explained that the Russian company kept the whole thing under wraps, "for obvious reasons," Mikheyev said.
China has poured money into its slow-moving defense manufacturing and fabrication industry in an attempt to shock it to life — the sector has been plagued with inefficiencies and corruption. China has made concerted efforts to curtail it's import of arms from Russia in the hopes of saving money and making a buck or two providing exports.


Read more: Russia Built Chinese Z10 Helicopter - Business Insider

 

[Luftwaffe]

The argument is poor, by the logic US got its hand and purchased the project YAK-141, does it mean F-35 is russian made.

Moderators you did merge it but I would want it to be scrapped or the Topic [russian design] would go on and eventually the Thread would die at the hands on hindustani members.

 

[flamer84]

China's Cutting-Edge Attack Helicopter Is Actually A Russian Design​

That came as a shock

 

[帅的一匹]

WZ10 is totally indeginous, we develop nuts and bolts of it. Anyway, the WZ10 outlook is not Russian style at all.

 

[Beast]

WZ10 is totally indeginous, we develop nuts and bolts of it. Anyway, the WZ10 outlook is not Russian style at all.

Having the design is one thing. Materialise it is a another thing. Even without the design, we would have produce another type of attack helo. You can have great design but you lack the technology and manufacturing technique. U still can't make it happen. Even the Russian admit never involved in the whole development of WZ-10. From engine , rotor , manufacturing and the operating system is 100% solved by ourselves.

 

[xuxu1457]

 

[gslv mk3]

I've never seen an Indian designed avionics system and combat sensors. You will see LCA in service long before LCH. India is trying to go from making nothing to making a combat helicopter. That is impossible.


It should be comparable to Eurocopter Tiger.


Those numbers are all made up by the Indian media or the government. India hasn't even made a simple helicopter by itself or even made its own avionics. You will need to see LCA in service first long before India makes its own combat helicopter. But China has a really advanced one already.


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on topic:What is the empty weight,MTOW and the top speed??

 

[Beast]

on topic:What is the empty weight,MTOW and the top speed??

A simple search online tells you an estimate...

CAIC WZ-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia