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@jigs

if honor killings are a part of Islam then i'm sure you have a verse of the Quran to back up your claim don't you?
 
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no where is it compulsory in Islam for women to cover them selves up in black sheets, that is more of a pre-Islamic Arab tribal tradition so don't twist things up. In Islam its compulsory for both men and women to dress modestly and that doesn't mean "covering yourself up in black sheets", funny how you try to give Islamic values a bad image, but again failed attempt.

And secondly, yes if a woman is dressing up in a provocative manner she will certainly get harassed, raped, and degraded! Women in the west get no respect, they are only used as a tool of pleasure to look at, use, dump, and then move on to the next. Women of the west have no family values, no morals and ethics! They think that their good looks, they way they dress provocatively, and their money will gain them respect in the male part of society which is why there is a growing trend amongst western men to marry women from Eastern countries primarily Russia and China.

you can notice in the above video that the women are in denial mode and are blaming the men for not being able to control themselves while not acknowledging their own provocative clothes. On the other hand right in front of the women their are men with cameras taking photos of the women's bottoms right in front of the women (hypocrisy at its best).

Also in the beginning of the video you can see that the guy says that "sisters don't dress like b!tches, these are b!tches" (he signals at the women who are dressed provocatively).

If you've never been to America then i highly suggest you go and live their for at least a month and see their culture, you will notice that even on children's/teens television programs little girls dress like strippers, infact their was this controversial issue once that on the annual "teens/Kids choice awards" (children's version of the Grammy/Oscar) in which one of the female teen celeb was dancing on a pole in leather short shorts (very short and tight shorts) as if it were a strip club and she was only 16 years old at the time of this performance (the adult age in America is 18), in fact i'll post the video for that:

if you watch American tv programs and television you will notice how much they degrade women. On MTV (very famous amongst teens) they play rap, rock, and R&B videos daily and in these videos the degradation of women will never go unnoticed! Music videos and songs like "Wait": by Ying Yang twins", "Disco Inferno": By 50 cent", "What you know about that": By T.I", "Cold but still here": by Evans Blue", and hundreds of other popular songs are full of degradation of women and the worst part is that these artists and singers get money for this stuff which indicates how much their degrading, immoral songs are popular amongst the young minds.

i grew up in the west as a kid and a teenager, 17 years of my life in America.

they don't "produce" rapists, however if you dress like provocatively (meaning half nude, skin hugging clothing, or 80% nude) then yes you are highly likely to get disrespectful looks, degrading remarks, and even raped or harassed.

Cases of rape are lesser in western countries then in conservative eastern countries. There are prostitutes in every country. The difference is west accepts it as a reality and eastern countries try to hide it .
 
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Cases of rape are lesser in western countries then in conservative eastern countries. There are prostitutes in every country. The difference is west accepts it as a reality and eastern countries try to hide it .


Except Thailand. There are even transexual prostitudes! :partay::eek:

Also, in USA it is not legal. The only western country that leaglized it is Holland. :)
 
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@jigs

if anyone's ranting then its you! Gazzi and i have made some good points and you have failed to refute us and instead you resorted to dismissing them as "rants".

Jigs, how come Muslim women aren't allowed to wear hijab and dress Islamically in universities in Schools in Turkey? Isn't this violating a persons rights? And what about france. We all see the hypocrisy of liberals!

one message, don't force democracy down our throats!

Democracy too only works to a point however the evil that it spreads is fair to say "devils handy work" and as such, degredation of women to bought to such a level that parading partially naked is encouraged......with that lgoic then why stop them from walking around totally naked, why not accept women in relationship with you to take part in sex with others, here choice and WOMENS RIGHTS is it not, and why does she normally move out of her house to move with the husband, why does she has to be given away in hand, why does she need to normally change her surname to the husband's why does why does why does can go on for a long time, end result is, it too does not work
 
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I agree..........You too are avoiding all of my points which I raised with regards to Democracy and trying to use the age old argument of if you ssay a thousand times, that Honour Killings are done by Muslims then it will become part of Islam........no sorry, this is not the case, you yourself admit that it may or may be of Islam but carried out by people who think it may be.........this is a lack of education within Muslims and as any community, there are black sheep in every community, however this is not the fault of islam but Muslims who follow traditions of others, I am talking about a Khilafah based on shariah, you Sir wish to dilute the topic with other poison whcih is narrowed to some single points held in a stubborn fashion......to your Sir be your way and to me mine..............

Nope addressed them all. Also refer to my example on what happened to Pakistan.
 
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@jigs

if anyone's ranting then its you! Gazzi and i have made some good points and you have failed to refute us and instead you resorted to dismissing them as "rants".

Jigs, how come Muslim women aren't allowed to wear hijab and dress Islamically in universities in Schools in Turkey? Isn't this violating a persons rights? And what about france. We all see the hypocrisy of liberals!

one message, don't force democracy down our throats!

Secularist republic buddy. Read up on it. Turkey isn't they U.S. you should also read the Turkish constitution. Educate yourself on this before you bring it up. Governmental buildings impose social secularism are your religious beliefs and not portrayed in them.
 
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Except Thailand. There are even transexual prostitudes! :partay::eek:

Also, in USA it is not legal. The only western country that leaglized it is Holland. :)

Oh by east I meant Indians and muslim countries. I know East Asian countries are a lot better in gender issues and dealing with sexuality.

In US it is legal in Nevada. Transsexual prostitutes are there everywhere in the world. They tend to go into sex industry as they are stigmatized and often do not get other jobs. sad..
 
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Nope addressed them all. Also refer to my example on what happened to Pakistan.

I am not going to get into this "I want the last word" but again your continious similar post of ducking and diving isn't really moving the debate forward.......clearly you have no desire or argument to fill your void, therefore Sir, lets move on........
 
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Cases of rape are lesser in western countries then in conservative eastern countries. There are prostitutes in every country. The difference is west accepts it as a reality and eastern countries try to hide it .

if that were the case then a lot of my female relatives back in Pakistan would have been raped by now (though god forbid).

during my high schools years my class fellows were either raped (the girls that is) or boy(s) participated in harassing a girl and there was this case where a girl got raped by her friend (who was a senior in my school), and unfortunately she didn't tell anyone but her closest friends but as you know rumors spread like wild fires and though the kid who did that to her got in trouble big time she was mentally scarred for a while, and this was just one case that happened to reach the authorities otherwise there are plenty of such cases that don't get reported due to the victims fear of being looked down upon and made fun of.
 
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Secularist republic buddy. Read up on it. Turkey isn't they U.S. you should also read the Turkish constitution. Educate yourself on this before you bring it up. Governmental buildings impose social secularism are your religious beliefs and not portrayed in them.

then what is your problem if a Khilafa happens to be implemented in Pakistan or any other middle eastern country? if your secular republic can ban religious clothing in public/governmental facilities then what's the problem if there is a Khilafa with Islamic laws?

if its in a Muslim country then let the Muslims decide what they want, who are you "liberals" to decide what is "outdated", and "backwards" for us? This is what i don't like, the double standards!
 
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then what is your problem if a Khilafa happens to be implemented in Pakistan or any other middle eastern country? if your secular republic can ban religious clothing in public/governmental facilities then what's the problem if there is a Khilafa with Islamic laws?

if its in a Muslim country then let the Muslims decide what they want, who are you "liberals" to decide what is "outdated", and "backwards" for us? This is what i don't like, the double standards!

I wonder how the West or Pro Democracy supporters will feel is Muslims actively supported and financed groups to bring change to other countries of getting rid of Democracy and implementing Islamic Shariah just like the West is doing to promote their way of life ..........
 
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not stereotyping, just backing my arguments with facts!


some don't, but i don't know about "many".

You are stereotyping that everyone dresses like that and even if everyone did there is no justification for rape. What on earth kind of thinking is that. If you going around raping people the problem is you and you alone. It is like saying i murdered him because his cartoons made me uneasy. If that makes sense the problem is with you.

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in other words they are portrayed as objects of sexual pleasure and nothing more, i don't see how that is a good image to present of women.

Depends on what line of work they are in. **** stars are objects of sexual pleasure and they portray themselves that way and they are totally fine with it and i see no problem with what they do i personally know a few that work here in Arizona and they are very liberal and open minded people which is great. Also many famous women in Hollywood display a certain amount of sex appeal for the masses. Non of these people get raped however.


yeah like that's going to change the fact that women are portrayed as sexual objects, i'm sure you know that the most common word used to describe a girl in America is the word "b!!tch" (don't know about you but its commonly used in my generation).

Teens with their pants around their ankles use them term all the time. I don't.



you can't compare women to video games, or are you implying that women are like video games, you play them and when a new video game comes out you throw the old one out.

By your obtuse argument that what they were justifiably may lead them to get raped does in fact bring up comparisons to video games being censored on the bases that they lead people to shoot up schools and murder people. Which like your argument is false.


appeal, or do you mean degradation of women in order to satisfy men's lust?

Depends on the women i can't speak for all them.


actually yes they do, there is a limit to everything and you shouldn't go beyond that limit otherwise you will face the consequences whatever they may be (ie rape, harassment)!

How can i argue against such sound logic. We should censor what women wear on the bases that it may lead to men raping them and this would be justifiable because they in turn dressed like this. Amazing simply amazing.


true, however i do disagree with you where you mention that women dress normally (which they don't, jeez how are you telling me that, i spent 17 years in America, from childhood to adulthood, lived in the big apple, been to Penn state, New jersey, Washington, Virginia, Florida). America and west are secular, i have no problem with that but i just wanted to point out to you the flaws in democratic countries and the hypocrisy in leftist liberals and how west is run by immorality and materialism and i've made my point very clear.

And women don't get raped in the ME plz give me a break. That doesn't even have anything to do with democracy. It is simple rights.





me, personally i left it to Allah to deal with that guy who drew those cartoons but however i do condemn him for doing that, the only problem is that many Muslims resorted to violence in reply to what he did, now that is something you can't prevent and as i said before "when you cross the limits then be prepared to face the consequences"!

Lets stay in reality here when dealing out punishments. Again your sound logic that because a man made fun of a religious figure it is justifiable he is killed. This is probably the ultimate reason i will stay in the U.S. and western countries. Freedom of expression is one of the greatest rights any human can have.


and neither do you go around banning peoples religious freedom (France) and not allowing people in public facilities because of how they are dressed due to their religious beliefs (Turkey).

you liberals are just hypocrites at best!

Already addressed why Turkey does it and you can read up on the french reason. They are separate and different cases.
 
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