Y-20 heavy transport aircraft News & Discussions

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I have seen C17 so many times... dont know but the look of Y20 is more aggressive than C17...

one thing for sure is that Y-20 is less expensive than 580 millions price tag C-17 sold to India

 

[TaimiKhan]

one thing for sure is that Y-20 is less expensive than 580 millions price tag C-17 sold to India

US equipment may be expensive, but they are worth it. When it comes to reliability and performance / efficiency, hardly anything beats it. India had long been using Russian airplanes, after using these US built machines, they will forget about those Russian transport planes.

 

[SQ8]

one thing for sure is that Y-20 is less expensive than 580 millions price tag C-17 sold to India

What matters is mission reliability and performance.
How many sortie's can the Y-20 generate as compared to the C-17?
How much time between maintenance and overhauls?

These questions are important if the Y-20 is to be competitive or beat the C-17.

for eg, the WP-13 engine on the F-7PG produces more power but requires more frequent maintenance than the WP-7 due to its higher power. The rust resistant WP-7 engines of the coastal F-7 squadrons still require more maintenance because of the condensations they face and the F-7's there go for more frequent overhaul. So its a case of how reliable the system and how effective it really is.
Its all great if I pay less for an item,but stupid if I am going to be paying more for its maintenance throughout its life and it breaks down more than the more expensive one.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

What matters is mission reliability and performance.
How many sortie's can the Y-20 generate as compared to the C-17?
How much time between maintenance and overhauls?

These questions are important if the Y-20 is to be competitive or beat the C-17.

for eg, the WP-13 engine on the F-7PG produces more power but requires more frequent maintenance than the WP-7 due to its higher power. The rust resistant WP-7 engines of the coastal F-7 squadrons still require more maintenance because of the condensations they face and the F-7's there go for more frequent overhaul. So its a case of how reliable the system and how effective it really is.
Its all great if I pay less for an item,but stupid if I am going to be paying more for its maintenance throughout its life and it breaks down more than the more expensive one.

@Oscar, all of that is very valid. One more thing; apart from cost, the system should always be available to me whenever I need it.
All of those factors add up.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar, all of that is very valid. One more thing; apart from cost, the system should always be available to me whenever I need it.
All of those factors add up.

Exactly on the sortie rate. I may require the aircraft for supply drops 3 times a day but if it has problems after one drop then Im stuck. The B-1 for eg. had made a fairly bad reputation for itself as a Hangar Queen.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

US equipment may be expensive, but they are worth it. When it comes to reliability and performance / efficiency, hardly anything beats it. India had long been using Russian airplanes, after using these US built machines, they will forget about those Russian transport planes.

They have nearly forgotten. Save for the An-32s which run all the "milk-run" flights because of sheer numbers.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Y-20 Export might not be cheap enough like Candids since it has the STOL capability that IL-76/78 doesn't apart form other qualities based on C-17, at $100m it can be the next C-17 for the payless market.

Reliability, performance , efficiency and maintenance are always part of the Project/Program it is clear it is an ambitious Transport Program to replace russian made Candids.

Bottom line Y-20 would have to follow the lines of C-17 to incorporate technologies and similar reliable integrated systems, missile warning, jamming and so on to be successfully considered somewhat less costly alternative to Globemaster which has experience and hard labor of 20 Years under its belt.

They have nearly forgotten. Save for the An-32s which run all the "milk-run" flights because of sheer numbers.

I believe the joint russian-indian STOL medium transport program is in the right direction to get rid of an-32s. It should be started asap india has no problem with cash.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

US equipment may be expensive, but they are worth it. When it comes to reliability and performance / efficiency, hardly anything beats it. India had long been using Russian airplanes, after using these US built machines, they will forget about those Russian transport planes.

What matters is mission reliability and performance.
How many sortie's can the Y-20 generate as compared to the C-17?
How much time between maintenance and overhauls?

These questions are important if the Y-20 is to be competitive or beat the C-17.
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OK as for performance in term of payload, range and few other criterias, Y-20 will not match C-17. As for liability, with 4 engines, I don't think that will be really an major issue. For 580 millions China will problably able to get 4 to 5 aircrafts which generate more sorties rate and payloads with same investment.

Now when come to maintainability of the plane : C-17 might edge Y-20 with less maintain frequency but it much more complicate and spare parts will be much costly compare to Y-20 even the overhall time such inspection of composite structure,...so there is pro and con concerning on each aircraft design philosophy.

 

[Rank]

one thing for sure is that Y-20 is less expensive than 580 millions price tag C-17 sold to India

if C17 price tag is 680 millions per piece that machine WORTH IT!

Do you have any idea about American Made weapons ? India is New in this.. Pakistan using American Weapons since last 40 yearrs. There is NO COMPARSION btw Russian/Chinese VS American Weapons. China still failed to make any good engine and comparsion with American made C17 is like.... you compare 1000cc cheap car with Lambhorghini Aventador.

If China want to make this baby Y20 VS C17, China should spend $$$ + R&D make their own top class engine, jamming system, Control etc and these things required Time. Right now this is VERY VERY Good initiative by China to make something like WOW.... but for WOW you need to spend time/money and make your own engine. Might be in future this machine maybe may be beat or surplus or near C17.

 

[Snowden]

Anyone buying American weapons will be giving up their independent foreign policy. The US uses countries to depend on their weapons and gain control of their foreign policies. None of the countries buying US weapons will ever go against the US in major issues in international geopolitics. The US will stop parts sales and once that happens, that C-17 is pretty much useless.
It's a condition that the US uses and expects.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

if C17 price tag is 680 millions per piece that machine WORTH IT!

Do you have any idea about American Made weapons ? India is New in this.. Pakistan using American Weapons since last 40 yearrs. There is NO COMPARSION btw Russian/Chinese VS American Weapons. China still failed to make any good engine and comparsion with American made C17 is like.... you compare 1000cc cheap car with Lambhorghini Aventador.

If China want to make this baby Y20 VS C17, China should spend $$$ + R&D make their own top class engine, jamming system, Control etc and these things required Time. Right now this is VERY VERY Good initiative by China to make something like WOW.... but for WOW you need to spend time/money and make your own engine. Might be in future this machine maybe may be beat or surplus or near C17.

I don't know but 580 millions for single C-17 seems to be little bit high, no nation can't afford to have large fleet of this aircraft beside U.S. As for China, Y-20 is our first ever large transport compare to Americans, they have long history of designing wide body airplane such C-141, C-5, Boeing 747...so for now we can't really yet compare & compete with U.S beside using it as benchmark.

 

[Obambam]

if C17 price tag is 680 millions per piece that machine WORTH IT!

Do you have any idea about American Made weapons ? India is New in this.. Pakistan using American Weapons since last 40 yearrs. There is NO COMPARSION btw Russian/Chinese VS American Weapons. China still failed to make any good engine and comparsion with American made C17 is like.... you compare 1000cc cheap car with Lambhorghini Aventador.

If China want to make this baby Y20 VS C17, China should spend $$$ + R&D make their own top class engine, jamming system, Control etc and these things required Time. Right now this is VERY VERY Good initiative by China to make something like WOW.... but for WOW you need to spend time/money and make your own engine. Might be in future this machine maybe may be beat or surplus or near C17.

Sadly, that is the truth. Any honest Chinese brethren will admit to the fact that China is still behind the US in many respects, and Aviation is one of them. We just have to continue with what we are doing and always strive to improve.

China have gone a long long way since WWII and we are also one of a handful capable of building such aircrafts, competing in the arms and aviation market. That itself is commendable as we are still denied hi end technology from the west.

 

[nalan]

Anyone buying American weapons will be giving up their independent foreign policy. The US uses countries to depend on their weapons and gain control of their foreign policies. None of the countries buying US weapons will ever go against the US in major issues in international geopolitics. The US will stop parts sales and once that happens, that C-17 is pretty much useless.
It's a condition that the US uses and expects.

I disagree this logic

 

[muse]

Stay on course, China -- Learn from the critics but do not abandon the course - Y20 is a great achievement, but the pinnacle, happily, means more study, more labor, more achievements - happy days

 

[Beast]

Sadly, that is the truth. Any honest Chinese brethren will admit to the fact that China is still behind the US in many respects, and Aviation is one of them. We just have to continue with what we are doing and always strive to improve.

China have gone a long long way since WWII and we are also one of a handful capable of building such aircrafts, competing in the arms and aviation market. That itself is commendable as we are still denied hi end technology from the west.

Besides engine issue, China aircraft design, airframe struture is as good as american. American has been using 20 yrs old Chinese data to assess Chinese aviation technology.

Using our own domestic 80,000 tons forge presser, the parts we produce for Y-20 is far superior than C-17. Also Chinese own the largest 3D printer and still held the record for largest parts produce by 3D printer and all these parts find their way into our recent jet of J-20,J-31 and Y-20. 3D print parts do not require welding, so it will be stronger and lighter. Waste usage will be far lower than traditional method.

3D printing technology used in Chinese fighter jets