Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Wholegrain]

While terriorism of any kind is bad.

The Chinese govt. should also hear the genuity and vacate the land of East Turkmenistan people.

If you forcefully occupy their land some one get agitated or radical and get exploited by the extremist.

I agree, China shouldn't be in Turkmenistan. in fact, it isn't

Turkmenistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Uyghurs are only native to the southern Xinjiang in the tarim basin. The natives in northern xinjiang aka Dzungharia are Zunghars. So if every ethnic group gets its own country, all the Uyghurs will have to be deported from northern xinjiang to the south.

Chechnya for Russia, and XinJiang for China. There's no room for negotiation, except Nuclear War of WWIII.

So anyone try to openly support East Turkestan, that must be the enemy of China, and Chinese make sure do never let the country living in PEACE. We will find troubles and work together with his enemy and potential enemy by providing funds and weapons. Any conflict in that country would be the good chance for China to use, and 'Norinco' guns will appear in ur rebels.

Wrong analogy. The Chagatai Prince, and the Turkic Muslim Khans, begs, mullahs, religious clerics and the Naqshbandi Qarataghlik Khoja Sayyids voluntarily joined China to seek protection against the Dzunghars. This is why Xinjiang is part of China. China even kept the entire religious clergy and aristocracy intact. The last Chagataid Khan died in 1930.

On the other hand, Czarist Russia started an unwelcome, genocidal invasion of Chechnya and killed over half the Chechen population. They were never asked to enter Chechnya or take it under their protection. They just wanted the land for themselves.

 

[Wholegrain]

@Sinan

Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 - James A. Millward - Google Books

Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 - James A. Millward - Google Books

Foreign tourists in Urumchi today sometimes complain that the city is "too Chinese" in comparison with the Central Asian atmosphere of southern Xinjiang; many believe Urumchi's East Turkestani culture has been erased by Han immigration and architecture. In fact, the Uyghur population and culture in the city today is a relatively recent feature, for Urumchi in its first decades in most respects resembled a north Chinese town, populated primarily by Tungans from Gansu and Shaanxi and Han from many Chinese provinces, in addition to the bannermen.

The name "Urumqi" itself is from the Zunghar Mongol language, NOT Uyghur

Northern Xinjiang (Dzungharia) was the home of the Zunghar Khanate and Uyghurs were never native to Dzungharia which includes Urumqi. The Uyghur immigrants who were moved there from the Tarim Basin after the Zunghar Khanate was defeated.

Zunghar Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are an immigrant, you don't get special treatment or get to complain about "rights", when you are squatting on someone elses land.

Now how is the Kurdish population in Istanbul doing? Do they get special rights in Istanbul since they all migrated from eastern anatolia? Why should the descendants of Uyghur immigrants from the Tarim Basin be allowed to riot in the streets and kill and beat people?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Uighurs are part of China's Xinjiang, but that abomination East Turkistan never existed, it only exists in some people's imagination.

 

[Wholegrain]

he is *** licker
@Lux de Veritas*
The Hui Muslim in China knows the Uighur way as Hui was originally Turks << HAHAAA

@olcayto

Exploring Nationalisms of China: Themes and Conflicts - Google Books

Hui people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pan-Turkic Uyghur activist Masud Sabri viewed the Hui people as Muslim Han chinese and separate from his own people, noting that with the exception of religion, their customs and language were identical with Han chinese[7]

The Hui people are of varied ancestry,[8] and many are direct descendants of Silk Road travelers. Their ancestors include Central Asian, Arabs, and Persian who married Han Chinese.

Hui Muslims crushing the Uyghur First East Turkestan Republic-

Battle of Kashgar (1934) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charkhlik Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Wholegrain, are you a Taiwanese of Hui descent?

 

[Armstrong]

@ChineseTiger1986 @Wholegrain - I was in Singapore the other week & I visited one of their water parks; they had a whole attraction centered around Admiral Zeng He - a Chinese Muslim from the 14th Century, unless I'm mistaken ! Do you guys have something similar in China ?

 

[Wholegrain]

China is exploiting east turkistan rich natural resources and irreligious china government is killing turkic muslims and to assimilate uyghurs via immigrant policies this is a state terrorism shame

Do you know the country named "East Turkistan"?
This area is usually called "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region", the People's Republic of China.
This country has been invaded and is facing various suppressions by Chinese Communist Party.

Specifically :
1) Millions of people are forced to get abortion under the name of "Family Planning".
2) More than 45 nuclear tests and radioactivities had killed a large amount of people.
3) Several tens thousands of people were slaughtered for being claimed as "political criminals".

The East Turkistan people are still under the oppression of China.
The unique culture, language, and customs are beginning to fade by emigration of huge amount of Han people and ethnic cleansing policies.

Unfortunately this fact is not well known worldwide. However, even now the East Turkistan people are suffering.

@olcayto

I can debunk all of your BS very quickly

-Exempt from one child policy

-Uyghur is an official language in Xinjiang.

-Uyghur population grew from 4 million in the 1960s to 10 million today.

-Almost all Han migrants in Xinjiang live in northern Xinjiang (dzungharia), which is the former land of the Zunghar Mongols and Zunghar Khanate. It is not Uyghur land. Uyghurs are native to the tarim basin only in southern Xinjiang. Uyghurs in Dzungharia are also migrants and erasing the original Dzunghar culture.

-Only Uyghur have this separatist problem, there are no separatists among Salar Turkic Muslims (who are descended from immigrants from Turkmenistan 700 years ago, they admit that their ancestry is immigrant and don't make up fairy tales about being native to Qinghai for 10,000 years like some Uyghur nationalists do in northern Xinjiang)

The Salars have adapted to their host country, their blood is mixed with Chinese and Tibetans. They use Chinese first and last names and their language is also influenced by Chinese and Tibetan. Their Islam is Sinicized and they share it with Hui and Dongxiang.

Salars fought against Japan in World War 2 along with Hui and Dongxiang.

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Hui and Salars also fought against the Uyghur insurgents in the Ili Rebellion.

 

[cnleio]

Wrong analogy. The Chagatai Prince, and the Turkic Muslim Khans, begs, mullahs, religious clerics and the Naqshbandi Qarataghlik Khoja Sayyids voluntarily joined China to seek protection against the Dzunghars. This is why Xinjiang is part of China. China even kept the entire religious clergy and aristocracy intact. The last Chagataid Khan died in 1930.

On the other hand, Czarist Russia started an unwelcome, genocidal invasion of Chechnya and killed over half the Chechen population. They were never asked to enter Chechnya or take it under their protection. They just wanted the land for themselves.

Okay, i don't care in the history how XinJiang joined China or like Russian simply killed all ppl took the lands. I just tell someguy there's no way to separate XinJiang areas from China, and China has many ways to support the same trouble minority or reble inside his country who openly support fantasy East Turkestan in China.
China has the money, the weapons, the time to force a country going down and deep into endless domesitc conflicts. First his Rebel guerrillas is the best choice !

 

[q12093487q]

@ChineseTiger1986 @Wholegrain - I was in Singapore the other week & I visited one of their water parks; they had a whole attraction centered around Admiral Zeng He - a Chinese Muslim from the 14th Century, unless I'm mistaken ! Do you guys have something similar in China ?

Zheng He himself was a muslim or not is still a myth,but he was definitely from a muslim family

 

[Wholegrain]

@Silverblaze

China also runs two separate schools systems in Xinjiang. One is Uyghur language schools where holidays including Ramadan are implemented. The other is mandarin language schools like the rest of China. Uyghurs are allowed to attend either school of their choice, its not apartheid since they can join either one. Some of them choose to atten the Mandarin school and then people lie that China is forcing all schools to make students eat during Ramadan.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

The Pan-Turkism is dead, today's government of Turkey is much more pragmatic and realistic of not keep buying this dysfunctional idea.

Yes , the current Turkish government is more into Pan Sunni Islamism now.

 

[Wholegrain]

Wholegrain, are you a Taiwanese of Hui descent?

I'm from Taiwan but I'm not hui.

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[Okemos]

Zheng He himself was a muslim or not is still a myth,but he was definitely from a muslim family

I don't know what significance his religion has with respect to the person and his contribution. He was sailing the world for the empire, not for Islam. He was selected by the Ming Emperor based on his merit, not his religion. He didn't go around the world in the name of Islam or to preach about Islam. His religious affiliation was not even recorded in history book.

Again, China is and has always been a secular country. We do not select and differentiate people based on religion. To glorify one religion over another just because some prominent figure is from that religion is against secularism and will only create conflicts in the long run.

 

[SenLin]

Such incidents will make more Han-Chinese dislike Islam & make them turn to Christianity instead, which is already very strong growing.

 

[Okemos]

Such incidents will make more Han-Chinese dislike Islam & make them turn to Christianity instead, which is already very strong growing.

mm, turn to Christianity because of those incidents? no. Christianity and Islam are both in conflict with Chinese ancestral worship, so both religions wont grow strong among Han Chinese at least. Of course, there are certain pockets of people that will be converted in to either religion, but ancestral worship is kind of built into our psyche among most people.