World’s five most powerful countries pledge to avoid war

[PeaceGen]

Just wonderng, have you guys EVER opted to try to live in peace with your enemies? It's worked wonders over here in the EU....

 

[Trango Towers]

That's means they won't fight each other but will invade non nuclear country's and asset strip them

 

[Shotgunner51]

Russia-China vs. three others

Excellent news, at least the two blocs start agreeing on rules of engagement. All gloves off but no nuke, let's fight conventionally, that's the proper way of war. Let's see what war US and the two lackeys will start next, and how Russia-China engage.

 

[tower9]

Car, pharmaceutical aircraft industries are far less competitive today than they were twenty years ago? You would have to be mad to think that way.
Their GDP stands still yet Russia's GDP declines. There's a point where developed nations stop growing due to very good living standards, then people make less babies which slows the growth of the economy.

South Korean army is far more advanced than the Russian one, Russian army only has numbers.

You are truly delusional. In what industry is the UK and France more dominant today than they were twenty years ago? Cars? China now makes more advanced cars than either country. What industry? Everything about them is in relative decline and their gdp has been stagnant.

No serious person thinks S Korea is more militarily powerful than Russia, what a joke. This isn’t even worth discussing.

 

[Shotgunner51]

what industry is the UK and France more dominant today than they were twenty years ago?

Zero perhaps? At least Germany can subdue China through monopoly of over-priced ICE cars, seriously I can't think of any UK industry that matters. But France is a bit more dominant than UK I think, they completely dictate China on $5K plastic bags.

 

[tower9]

Zero perhaps? At least Germany can subdue China through monopoly of over-priced ICE cars, seriously I can't think of any UK industry that matters. But France is a bit more dominant than UK I think, they completely dictate China on $5K plastic bags.

Does the UK still actually own any of their car brands? As far as I know, all of their car brands have been bought over by Chinese or Indian conglomerates.

 

[Solidify]

World’s five most powerful countries pledge to avoid war

China, France, Russia, the UK, and the US have released a joint statement affirming their opposition to using their nuclear arsenals for offensive purposes. They also promised to work together on nuclear disarmament.

www.rt.com

China, France, Russia, the UK, and the US have released a joint statement affirming their opposition to using their nuclear arsenals for offensive purposes. They also promised to work together on nuclear disarmament.
“We affirm that a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought,” read the statement released on Monday. “As nuclear use would have far-reaching consequences, we also affirm that nuclear weapons – for as long as they continue to exist – should serve defensive purposes, deter aggression, and prevent war.”
The five signatories said they will continue to abide by their “bilateral and multilateral non-proliferation, disarmament, and arms control agreements and commitments,” and claimed that none of their nukes are targeted at each other or any other state.
The five nuclear nations, known as the P5, are not the only countries in the world with atomic weapons. India and Pakistan both possess them, and Israel is widely believed to have a nuclear arsenal. North Korea has also tested several nuclear devices.

Monday’s statement comes at a time when relations between some of the P5 are at a historic low point. Russia and the US have long squabbled over the placement of American nukes in Europe, and with lawmakers in Washington recently accusing Moscow of planning an “invasion” of Ukraine – a claim rejected by Kremlin – some in Congress have even called for nuclear war should that invasion take place.
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Ahead of negotiations between NATO and Moscow, the US has not said it would remove its nukes from European soil. Ratcheting up the tension, Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko has suggested his country could host Russian missiles in response.
Further afield, US officials have claimed that China is dramatically increasing its stockpile of nuclear arms.
While pointing to Washington's “disregard of facts,” Beijing said it has a “no first use” policy, adding that “no country will be threatened by China’s nuclear weapons.”
At the same time, last year the US, the UK, and Australia brokered a pact called AUKUS, aimed at arming the latter with nuclear-powered, yet conventionally armed, submarines. As a result, Australia unilaterally canceled its multi-billion-dollar diesel-electric submarine contract with France, which Paris said was a “stab in the back.”
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Had anyone noticed in that article where there is no mention of India + Pakistan nor South Korea & N Korea is evil to the sense that these countries are not worth protecting leave them at their own course of natural actions.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Does the UK still actually own any of their car brands? As far as I know, all of their car brands have been bought over by Chinese or Indian conglomerates.

Don't know bro, can't think of any car brand from UK or whatever industry that interests me. For business reason I'm always reading about hi-tech supplies both domestic & foreign, say robotics component, optical component, composite materials, precision machine tool, hi-strength alloys, electrical motors, ball bearings ... etc., never seen a single vendor from UK or France. But of course, France dominates $5K plastic bags.

 

[tower9]

Don't know bro, can't think of any car brand from UK or whatever industry that interests me.

Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors. MG was bought over by a Chinese company. I suppose there are Rolls Royces and Bentleys but they produce very small volumes so they are basically just luxury collectible vehicles. As far as making breakthrough technologies or anything of scale, the UK is no longer a player.

 

[Beny Karachun]

You are truly delusional. In what industry is the UK and France more dominant today than they were twenty years ago? Cars? China now makes more advanced cars than either country. What industry? Everything about them is in relative decline and their gdp has been stagnant.

No serious person thinks S Korea is more militarily powerful than Russia, what a joke. This isn’t even worth discussing.

Who talks about China? This whole conversation is about Russia.

South Korea is more powerful though lol, economically and technologically.

With a distinct qualitive edge military wise.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Who talks about China? This whole conversation is about Russia.

South Korea is more powerful though lol, economically and technologically.

With a distinct qualitive edge military wise.

The topic is about military power, capability to win a sizable war (not border skirmishes or battles of limited scale), no medium sized countries can match Russia's war potential. IMO Russia is a close second to US and above China, UK, France.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Israel has technological, tactical, strategic, intelligence, experience, training, motivation, air, ground, industrial ,ballistic and nuclear superiority over all nations in this region.

Egypt along with Syria and 100,000 more Arab expeditionary troops had years to be trained by the Soviets and fully armed with superior Soviet technology in both quantity and quality, drilled the invasion for months and caught Israel in a surprise attack, all that just to loose more land than they began with, get 20 Egyptians killed for every Israeli killed and 15 Syrians killed for every Israeli killed,get 7000~ Egyptians captured, get the Egyptian 3rd army encircled and to run to the USSR to beg for them to force a cease fire just so Israel wouldn't kill tens of thousands of Egyptian encircled soldiers.

As for Hezbollah,

Who is exposed to the destruction and demolition the most?

Which two teams suffered a greater amount of dead and wounded?

Let's answer these questions and find out who will be victorious.
Hezbollah moved away from the Israeli border and became under the supervision of UNIFIL. With this, Israel achieved its goal.
Hassan Nasrallah has disappeared from public view and is now appearing behind cameras, hasn't left his bunker since 2006, in the company of his kind -moles and worms.

Lebanon was subjected to a very great devastation, while Israel did not suffer 0.001% of what Lebanon was exposed to.
The number of dead and wounded Lebanese is hundreds of times higher than what Israel was exposed to.

Israel quickly returned to its regular life and now its economy is better than most European states while Lebanon is in a political and economical crisis.
Israel had pretty much absolute calmness in the Lebanese border for 16 years now.
Israel bombs a Hezbollah weapons delivery? It's okay.
Israel kills a bunch of Hezbollah members? It's fine.
Israel kills them again? Okay, maybe that's enough, let's send an ATGM team inside Israel.
And then when Israel bombs this ATGM team into pieces as soon as it enters Israel, no response from Hezbollah.

Nasrallah himself said that if he knew that would be how Israel would react, he wouldn't have started this war.

If this is called victory for Hezbollah and Lebanon, then what is defeat?


Your and Hezbollah's definition of victory is merely surviving.
All Hezbollah needs to call itself a victor is two bearded terrorists with AK47s uploading photos to Twitter that they survived. Which is a flawed definition of victory.

Also, your stupid way of dealing with wars as if they're parts of mathematical equations is wrong. Just because a terrorist organization, that is fighting with absolutely no rules and hides behind its own people wasn't absolutely destroyed by Israel to the point they cease to exist, doesn't mean Israel will have any difficulty wiping the floor with conventional armies. No conventional army is good against terrorists that hide among their civilians, unless the same army carpet bombs the s*it out of them regardless. Which is exactly what's going to happen in the next war.

Another point I'd like to make, the US apparently lost to the Taliban because it survived according to you, does that mean the US is going to loose against Egypt because the Taliban is a
small non-state actor and Egypt is a state actor?
Did the US "lose" to the Taliban because it is weaker than the Taliban, or because it just chose to not MOAB every single city in Afghanistan which the word "Taliban" is said in?

You're a fool, Egyptian army is an unprofessional, unmotivated force that stands no chance against the IDF.

Just let some members here be. You don't need to go such lengths explaining this sort of thing to them. Many people here are either ultra nationalists or religious zealout, so rationality and bias is normal for them.
For them to say Hezbollah defeated Israel just shows how delusional they can be. As you said hiding/surviving in tunnels and holes like rats while using civilians as cover is enough for them to declare victory . Lol I think Israel should have razed to the ground all places Hezbollah elements where suspected of hiding behind civilians in Lebanon, just like Russia did in Syria. Despite the massive civilians cost, that's the only way to deal with terrorists and non state actors who don't follow the rules of war like conventional armies.
For them the Taliban is the world's preeminent military power. I'm sure even the taliban can defeat countries like China, Russia (which they claim they did in the 70s-80s. Lol) using their logic, since they already "defeated the US ".

 

[Beny Karachun]

Just let some members here be. You don't need to go such lengths explaining this sort of thing to them. Many people here are either ultra nationalists or religious zealout, so rationality and bias is normal for them.
For them to say Hezbollah defeated Israel just shows how delusional they can be. As you said hiding/surviving in tunnels and holes like rats while using civilians as cover is enough for them to declare victory . Lol I think Israel should have razed to the ground all places Hezbollah elements where suspected of hiding behind civilians in Lebanon, just like Russia did in Syria. Despite the massive civilians cost, that's the only way to deal with terrorists and non state actors who don't follow the rules of war like conventional armies.
For them the Taliban is the world's preeminent military power. I'm sure even the taliban can defeat countries like China, Russia (which they claim they did in the 70s-80s. Lol) using their logic, since they already "defeated the US ".

Exactly, it's like they are some emu that shoves its head in the sand whenever someone says something that doesn't fit their narrative that Israel got humiliated.

And yes, Israel shouldn't protect enemy civilians if they're used human shields.
Only Hezbollah is to blame for their death.

 

[Abid123]

For them the Taliban is the world's preeminent military power. I'm sure even the taliban can defeat countries like China, Russia (which they claim they did in the 70s-80s. Lol) using their logic, since they already "defeated the US "

Why are you so butthurt? Angry at your masters defeat in Afghanistan?

 

[tower9]

Who talks about China? This whole conversation is about Russia.

South Korea is more powerful though lol, economically and technologically.

With a distinct qualitive edge military wise.

South Korea would be destroyed by Russia in ten minutes in a war. You’re like the malicious shit talker pepping up a chihuahua to take on a Siberian wolf knowing it’d get murdered lmao