Will Vietnam Be America’s Next Strategic Partner?

[cochine]

So Vietnam is proud to be the new US whore? Didn't Vietnam War taught them anything.

Vietnam War taught us that China is the coutry of traitors, china robbed our Islands in Vietnam sea in 1974, 1988, and China kneed before USA in 1972, 1979. Don't forget China PLA in invaded in to Vietnam 1979 and killed brutaly Vietnamese in the borders area.

 

[Han Patriot]

Vietnam War taught us that China is the coutry of traitors, china robbed our Islands in Vietnam sea in 1974, 1988, and China kneed before USA in 1972, 1979. Don't forget China PLA in invaded in Vietnam in Vietnam 1979 and killed brutaly Vietnamese in the borders

Kneel or kneed? Since when did we kneed? When numb numb Viets betrayed us by occupying our islands, we had to invade you guys to teach you buggers a lesson. As for the Muricans, they came to beg for an alliance, not the other way round.

Next time don't bite the hand which feed you. We helped you and in return you occupy our islands.

 

[cochine]

Kneel or kneed? Since when did we kneed? When numb numb Viets betrayed us by occupying our islands, we had to invade you guys to teach you buggers a lesson. As for the Muricans, they came to beg for an alliance, not the other way round.

Next time don't bite the hand which feed you. We helped you and in return you occupy our islands.

Not only kneed, China leader is also been the server of Nixon in peking 1972.

 

[Han Patriot]

Not only kneed, China leader is also been the server of Nixon in peking 1972.

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We normally treat our guests nicely, it was Nixon coming to China not Mao going to US. A simple way is to put food on your guests plate as sign of respect. Unlike Vietnam who is openly begging to be a US whore now. Lol

 

[MH.Yang]

Not only kneed, China leader is also been the server of Nixon in peking 1972.

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I also have pictures like you.

But it is shameless and meaningless to slander people with such photos.

1, In 1971, the US government contacted Chinese table tennis player Zhuang Zedong through American table tennis player Cohen, and the American table tennis team asked to visit China. This led to Nixon's visit to China in 1972.

2, In 1958, the Soviet Union took the initiative to cut off diplomatic relations with China because China rejected the Soviet Union's request to garrison China through fleet and radio. The CCP and the CPSU are at the same level. And China is not a colony, no country is allowed to infringe on China's sovereignty.

3. China and the Soviet Union have completely broken up because of Event on Zhenbao Island in 1969. Therefore, in 1972, we resumed relations with the USA, not betraying the Soviet Union.

4. Countries like China will be respected regardless of joining any camp.


BTW: When resuming diplomatic relations with China, the USA took the initiative to propose to China that the U.S. embassy would not station Marines, only guards, and the guards would not wear military uniforms and carry weapons. With the exception of China, all U.S. embassies around the world have Marines. Let's compare the Soviet Union's request to garrison troops in China in1958.
So, the breakdown of China-Soviet relations was due to the stupidity and arrogance of the Soviet Union, not our betrayal.

 

[cochine]

We normally treat our guests nicely, it was Nixon coming to China not Mao going to US. A simple way is to put food on your guests plate as sign of respect. Unlike Vietnam who is openly begging to be a US whore now. Lol

No begging, kid.

China opened fire on Soviet Union border guard 1969 to begged Nixon came to Peking, when Soviet Army has liberated north China and handed to China PRC.

In Vietnam war, we are winner and USA is the loser. Is clear and USA is acepted the truth. US president came to Vietnam and begged us that to update the economy relation (deficit by USA), and USA has respect our country's severeignity in land and in our sea based on International laws.

Red flag with golden star is rising in hand of USA President.

 

[REhorror]

No begging, kid.

China opened fire on Soviet Union border guard 1969 to begged Nixon came to Peking, when Soviet Army has liberated north China and handed to China PRC.

In Vietnam war, we are winner and USA is the loser. Is clear and USA is acepted the truth. US president came to Vietnam and begged us that to update the economy relation (deficit by USA), and USA has respect our country's severeignity in land and in our sea based on International laws.

Red flag with golden star is rising in hand of USA President.

LOL, they come to lecture Vietnam about human rights actually:

Harris says she urged Vietnam to free political dissidents

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris says she raised issues of human rights abuses and restrictions on political activism in her conversations with Vietnamese leaders this week, but offered no indication those talks bore fruit

abcnews.go.com

Literally go in and ask us to free any CIA traitors as they wish.

Then again, you too are CIA, that's why you don't know such news.

2, In 1958, the Soviet Union took the initiative to cut off diplomatic relations with China because China rejected the Soviet Union's request to garrison China through fleet and radio. The CCP and the CPSU are at the same level. And China is not a colony, no country is allowed to infringe on China's sovereignty.

That always seems like a such weird reason to me. Why would it infringe on China's sovereignty if China and USSR have a fleet alliance?
Both are allies, both should support each other.

 

[MH.Yang]

LOL, they come to lecture Vietnam about human rights actually:

Harris says she urged Vietnam to free political dissidents

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris says she raised issues of human rights abuses and restrictions on political activism in her conversations with Vietnamese leaders this week, but offered no indication those talks bore fruit

abcnews.go.com

Literally go in and ask us to free any CIA traitors as they wish.

Then again, you too are CIA, that's why you don't know such news.

That always seems like a such weird reason to me. Why would it infringe on China's sovereignty if China and USSR have a fleet alliance?
Both are allies, both should support each other.

From 1958 to 1972, the USA lost a lot of national strength because of the Korean War and the Vietnam War, and the Soviet Union was the most powerful country in the world.
If it wasn't for the excessive demands of the Soviet Union, why did China break off relations with the Soviet Union?
Before 1972, China was the enemy of the USA and the Soviet Union, and tens of thousands of nuclear bombs were aimed at China. Do you think we like this? We're not masochists.

The Soviet Union demanded the command of the joint fleet and the lease of Dalian. The Soviet Union also asked to lease a region in Hainan to build a long wave radio station.

Obviously, Khrushchev's understanding of China is far less than Stalin's. In fact, the legitimacy of the CCP does not come from communism. Its legitimacy comes from the inheritance and development of Sun Yat Sen's three people's principles, which is the basis for the CCP to unite all forces. Therefore, when the founding of the PRC, Mao Zedong said that the Chinese people stood up from now on, not the East Soviet was established. Khrushchev's request was to overthrow the legitimacy of the CCP, and to lease city, and command the Chinese army, and become a satellite state of the Soviet Union. You know, even the incompetent KMT government did not hand over the military command to the Americans, not even the Qing Dynasty. Therefore, the CCP has no choice.

 

[REhorror]

The Soviet Union demanded the command of the joint fleet and the lease of Dalian. The Soviet Union also asked to lease a region in Hainan to build a long wave radio station.

Uh, I don't think this compromises China's sovereignty at all, considering the Soviet and China were allies, and the Soviet would certainly not hold command of the fleet, but they would contribute the most since they have the bigger navies at the time.

In fact, it's kinda weird that China turns out like this considering the support for China in Soviet since olden times. I don't think the blame on Kruschev is warranted, considering Kruschev tried multiple times to help China. the reaction of Mao towards pro-Soviet chinese (like Li Shaoqi and Peng Dehaui) and the fact chinese started the physical aggression in Danmarky island.

In fact, the legitimacy of the CCP does not come from communism. Its legitimacy comes from the inheritance and development of Sun Yat Sen's three people's principles, which is the basis for the CCP to unite all forces

Yeah, I think you lost me there. This seems to be revisionism.

Anyway, this seems to be pointless talk since China is back to normal now with Xi Jinping and earns a high relationship with Russia.

 

[MH.Yang]

Uh, I don't think this compromises China's sovereignty at all, considering the Soviet and China were allies, and the Soviet would certainly not hold command of the fleet, but they would contribute the most since they have the bigger navies at the time.

In fact, it's kinda weird that China turns out like this considering the support for China in Soviet since olden times. I don't think the blame on Kruschev is warranted, considering Kruschev tried multiple times to help China. the reaction of Mao towards pro-Soviet chinese (like Li Shaoqi and Peng Dehaui) and the fact chinese started the physical aggression in Danmarky island.

Yeah, I think you lost me there. This seems to be revisionism.

Anyway, this seems to be pointless talk since China is back to normal now with Xi Jinping and earns a high relationship with Russia.

Yes, we owe Russia.
In fact, from 1958 to 1969, Mao Zedong waited for the Soviet Union for 11 years, hoping that the Soviet Union would find China to repair relations. However, in 1969, the Event on Zhenbao Island incident occurred. We are the Communist, if the Soviets weren't hopelessly stupid, we wouldn't want to go to the American camp.

The Chinese don't think China betrayed the Soviet Union, and we think the Soviet Union betrayed China, but we still thank the Soviet Union helped us. Therefore, we believe that the Soviet Union is our comrades, friends, teachers and enemies.
According to the Chinese tradition, hatred and help all must be returned. The Soviet Union is dead. We will give back to Russia what we owe him.

 

[REhorror]

In fact, from 1958 to 1969, Mao Zedong waited for the Soviet Union for 11 years, hoping that the Soviet Union would find China to repair relations. However, in 1969, the Event on Zhenbao Island incident occurred. We are the Communist, if the Soviets weren't hopelessly stupid, we wouldn't want to go to the American camp.

Just to make it perfectly clear, man, the chinese attacked the Soviet on Danmarky island, it was an ambush.
This was at the height of the Cultural Revolution where pro-Soviet chinese were demonized.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

China should be afraid. VN have far more than Afghanistan to contribute in the new US-VN relationship.

ofc, a country with no coastline is basically worthless to US, but aren't you supposed to have a certain level of resentment towards the commies in Hanoi personally

 

[MH.Yang]

Uh, I don't think this compromises China's sovereignty at all, considering the Soviet and China were allies, and the Soviet would certainly not hold command of the fleet, but they would contribute the most since they have the bigger navies at the time.

In fact, it's kinda weird that China turns out like this considering the support for China in Soviet since olden times. I don't think the blame on Kruschev is warranted, considering Kruschev tried multiple times to help China. the reaction of Mao towards pro-Soviet chinese (like Li Shaoqi and Peng Dehaui) and the fact chinese started the physical aggression in Danmarky island.

Yeah, I think you lost me there. This seems to be revisionism.

Anyway, this seems to be pointless talk since China is back to normal now with Xi Jinping and earns a high relationship with Russia.

You are Vietnamese.
You should have a certain understanding of Chinese history. When will the Chinese allow foreigners to command the Chinese army? The Qing Dynasty, gang raped by the Eight Power Allied forces, dared not do so.
And you should be able to understand that a country with Confucian culture cannot be without any nationalism.
Vietnamese are also a Confucian culture country. Dare you say you are a pure communist?

 

[REhorror]

You are Vietnamese.
You should have a certain understanding of Chinese history. When will the Chinese allow foreigners to command the Chinese army? The Qing Dynasty, gang raped by the Eight Power Allied forces, dared not do so.
And you should be able to understand that a country with Confucian culture cannot be without any nationalism.
Vietnamese are also a Confucian culture country. Dare you say you are a pure communist?

The chinese were led by mongol and then by manchu. They too were foreigners. China has always been multi-ethnic ever since the fall of the Song.
And yes, I'm not a Confucianist, I'm a communist or socialist. Mao was actually anti-Confucianist. Confucianism fails to resolve class contradiction in chinese societies (which is how the rich rule the poor during ancient times up to Qing).

 

[MH.Yang]

Just to make it perfectly clear, man, the chinese attacked the Soviet on Danmarky island, it was an ambush.
This was at the height of the Cultural Revolution where pro-Soviet chinese were demonized.

On January 5, 1968, the Soviet army crushed and killed four Chinese with armored vehicles. This is the earliest trigger of the incident.
In March 1969, PLA ambushed the Soviet army.