Will Turkey be added to European list of undemocratic countries?

[Brutas]

Very true, EU is a Christian Union so Turkey will never join.

Turkey will not be allowed to join. Same goes for Albania-Kosovo-Bosnia. All politics are local. Race/Identity politics is the bread-butter of almost all political parties (left - right and center) !

 

[Vortex]

Turkey will not be allowed to join europe. Few years ago, when discussions emerged about it, many politicals parties said that it is not possible because..... They cannot accept a muslim population n Europe.

I then understood why they did let muslims be massacred in Yougoslavia in 1995...

 

[Deliorman]

Turkey will not be allowed to join. Same goes for Albania-Kosovo-Bosnia. All politics are local. Race/Identity politics is the bread-butter of almost all political parties (left - right and center) !

Like a third of the population of Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia is already working and living in the EU and believe me that it won't be a problem for the remaining ones to be made a part of the union. The Western Balkans are the next to join the EU even though there might be some problems in doing that as there are still some territorial disputes between the countries there. There is a similar case with South Cyprus though but they had no problem with making them a member state... only the Greek Part of course. Countries in the Western Balkans are too small, poor and easy to control to be a threath for the big economies in Western Europe- those who really control the Union. Eastern Europe is mostly a source of cheap labour force for the Western companies and a place where they sell their lower quality products and outsource some of the work thay can do for cheeper... and still I think it is great for those countries from Eastern Europe to be part EU as we can travel, work, study and settle in every part of Europe without a problem.

On the other hand Turkey is a growing economy and a big Muslim nation of around 80 million people, with strong military forces and a huge diaspora all around Europe, a country with huge potential (which is wasted because of the bad management of the country by a bunch of delusional and greedy people). Turkey is a country with important geostrategical location and ambitions to be a big player in this part of the World but let's forget the fact that we are Muslims for a second... Of course that Turks are hated by most Europeans (which makes me really happy because I know the reason ) but money and power have a bigger role here. Making Turkey a part of the EU means that automatically it will become one of the decision makers of the Union. Plus it will be a huge shock for the whole Union as millions of Turks will basically flood Europe in the scale of Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Slovakia combined. Turkey will require hundreds of billions of euros to be spent by the EU which will be a huge burden for it's budget. Turkey as a huge market will be a place where a lot of companies can move their production, a country which can expand it's economic might easily in an open market like the EU. There isn't many people who are willing to share the Empire they have created and even to give it away to someone they are afraid of and who they think is a rival.

EU and Turkey can achieve a lot of things if they work together and if they try for once to be equal partners instead of enemies. For Turkey it will be always good to learn from and to work with the best (The Western World and Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China- the places where inovations are created) instead of isolating itself from them for a fake friendship with a bunch of countries living in the 15th century. There isn't such a thing as Muslim Brotherhood, Ummah or whatever you call your fantasies. I see that a lot of Pakistanis and other Muslim people around here talk about how much Europeans hate us, how much they hate Muslims and etc. but aren't Christians and Westerners also hated in the Muslim world too, huh? Aren't muslims killing other muslims on a daily basis all around the globe? Tell us more about that.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Turkey will not be allowed to join europe. Few years ago, when discussions emerged about it, many politicals parties said that it is not possible because..... They cannot accept a muslim population n Europe.

I then understood why they did let muslims be massacred in Yougoslavia in 1995...

Somehow NATO countries intervened to help Muslims in former Yugoskavia,
while Muslim countries on the whole ignored them.

 

[xenon54 out]

Somehow NATO countries intervened to help Muslims in former Yugoskavia,
while Muslim countries on the whole ignored them.

Well Turkeys role as NATO partner is obvious but there was also Iran with quite a lot help for Bosnia.

Aside from the Sunni and Wahabi mujahideen, Shia Iran was one of the very first Muslim countries to provide support for besieged Bosniaks (predominantly Sunni Muslim, that ascribe to the Hanafi school of thought). Iran supplied two-thirds of the total received in weapons and ammunition by the Bosnian Muslim forces during the 1992-95 war. From May, 1994 to January, 1996, Iran transported over 5,000 tons of weapons and military equipment to Bosnia.[9] Iran not only sent much needed supplies but also fighters. Lebanese Shia Hezbollah had also its fighters in the Bosnian war.[10] Robert Baer, a CIA agent stationed in Sarajevo during the war, later claimed that “In Sarajevo, the Bosnian Muslim government is a client of the Iranians . . . If it’s a choice between the CIA and the Iranians, they’ll take the Iranians any day.” By war’s end, public opinion polls showed some eighty-six percent of the Bosnian Muslim population expressed a positive attitude toward Iran.[11] All Shia foreign advisors and fighters withdrew from Bosnia at the end of conflict.

According to some US NGO reports, there were also several hundred Iranian Revolutionary Guards assisting the Bosnian government during the war.[12] Other foreign Muslim fighters also joined the ranks of the Bosnian Muslims, including from the Lebanese guerrilla organization Hezbollah.[10] These were however reserved for duties requiring close combat engagements, simply because their skill and experience was too valuable to be wasted in other less complicated duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_fighters_in_the_Bosnian_War

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well Turkeys role as NATO partner is obvious but there was also Iran with quite a lot help for Bosnia.

Aside from the Sunni and Wahabi mujahideen, Shia Iran was one of the very first Muslim countries to provide support for besieged Bosniaks (predominantly Sunni Muslim, that ascribe to the Hanafi school of thought). Iran supplied two-thirds of the total received in weapons and ammunition by the Bosnian Muslim forces during the 1992-95 war. From May, 1994 to January, 1996, Iran transported over 5,000 tons of weapons and military equipment to Bosnia.[9] Iran not only sent much needed supplies but also fighters. Lebanese Shia Hezbollah had also its fighters in the Bosnian war.[10] Robert Baer, a CIA agent stationed in Sarajevo during the war, later claimed that “In Sarajevo, the Bosnian Muslim government is a client of the Iranians . . . If it’s a choice between the CIA and the Iranians, they’ll take the Iranians any day.” By war’s end, public opinion polls showed some eighty-six percent of the Bosnian Muslim population expressed a positive attitude toward Iran.[11] All Shia foreign advisors and fighters withdrew from Bosnia at the end of conflict.

According to some US NGO reports, there were also several hundred Iranian Revolutionary Guards assisting the Bosnian government during the war.[12] Other foreign Muslim fighters also joined the ranks of the Bosnian Muslims, including from the Lebanese guerrilla organization Hezbollah.[10] These were however reserved for duties requiring close combat engagements, simply because their skill and experience was too valuable to be wasted in other less complicated duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_fighters_in_the_Bosnian_War

Agree on Turkey...
To clarify, no Muslim country sent enough to make a difference, just enough that they were not completely overrun.

 

[Azadkashmir]

republic is man made law not allahs law. plus you must get rid of rothchild banking system.
plato himself said democrazy is fraud.

if you get rid of rothschild bank then you be like germany or japan, just like they were in world war a super power. advancement in science and technology and education for all etc.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

republic is man made law not allahs law. plus you must get rid of rothchild banking system.
plato himself said democrazy is fraud.

if you get rid of rothschild bank then you be like germany or japan, just like they were in world war a super power. advancement in science and technology and education for all etc.

And a little later, You will hang from the neck, if You remember the end result of WW2.

 

[Azadkashmir]

And a little later, You will hang from the neck, if You remember the end result of WW2.

Those days are gone where america can bully nations. petro dollar crash.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Those days are gone where america can bully nations. petro dollar crash.

I am quite sure your Nazi idols were of the same opinion,
but in this case, the hangman is probably going to be Chinese,
and their way is a bullet in the head, after the victim payed for the bullet.

 

[Azadkashmir]

I am quite sure your Nazi idols were of the same opinion,
but in this case, the hangman is probably going to be Chinese,
and their way is a bullet in the head, after the victim payed for the bullet.

i am not talking about nazi idols. i am talking about state creation money (debt free) to fund your own country projects and about bringing relief from economic slavery. reason why national socialism are hated was becuase they throw out rothschild bank slavery for abrief period. Maybe you love being a slave for the rothschild.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

i am not talking about nazi idols. i am talking about state creation money (debt free) to fund your own country projects and about bringing relief from economic slavery. reason why national socialism are hated was becuase they throw out rothschild bank slavery for abrief period. Maybe you love being a slave for the rothschild.

Another warped pseudo-historian.
National Socialists are loathed because of their behaviour during WW2.
You just entered my ignore list.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Another warped pseudo-historian.
National Socialists are loathed because of their behaviour during WW2.
You just entered my ignore list.

you just brainwashed assole yes they did bad things but that what not i am talking i am talking bout throwing out rothschild slavery usury. just like libya's gaddafi wanted his own currency and hard currency too, just like saddam wanted to switch to euros. now libya has a rothschild central bank.

 

[azzo]

In 30 years Europe will be Islamic (or at least controlled by Islam) so why delay the inevitable?

 

[HannibalBarca]

In 30 years Europe will be Islamic (or at least controlled by Islam) so why delay the inevitable?

MOST optimistic numbers of Muslims in Europe is around 10-12% in 2050...
Meaning around 75Mil muslims against around 750Mil non muslims.

So you need to get around 50% of muslims to say Europe could be "islamic"
Meaning 300-400Mil more Muslims, so you need to send to Europe the pop of "Turkey+Egypt+All GCC countries+Algeria+Tunisia+Morocco+Lybia+Jordan+Iraq+Lebanon" Right now to Europe...

But if demography stay at it is, with today numbers... you'll need at least 400-500 years...