Will Scrap 'Triple Talaq' Law If We Come To Power, Says Congress Leader

[El Sidd]

Much before the BJP spoke of this topic I have been speaking of it on PDF.

The problem is not Talaq but "Instant Triple Talaq".

Divorce in Islamic law is done over a period of three months and not over three seconds as it is being done by bad-intentioned husbands over Whatsapp, SMS etc.

The Congress must not speak for scrapping of the law but must support it.

@Jf Thunder

aww if only you had a parliament to discuss laws based on Quran and Sunnah.

Now these are Muslims who have interpreted differently than you. They seem to be more in numbers. Thats what democracy is.

Are you suggesting that the current Indian system be completely rebuilt to fit modern needs?

 

[Sugarcane]

Divorce in Islamic law is done over a period of three months and not over three seconds as it is being done by bad-intentioned husbands over Whatsapp, SMS etc.

There's no concept of triple-talaq in Qur'an to begin with, Rules of divorce have been laid out clearly. Here is what Qur'an say
1. Pre-condition
For those who swear not to have sexual relations with their wives is a waiting time of four months, but if they return [to normal relations] - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And if they decide on divorce - then indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. (2:226-227)

2. After divorce (Doesn't matter how many time one say Talaq word, it's one)

Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
Divorce is twice. Then, either keep [her] in an acceptable manner or release [her] with good treatment. And it is not lawful for you to take anything of what you have given them unless both fear that they will not be able to keep [within] the limits of Allah . But if you fear that they will not keep [within] the limits of Allah, then there is no blame upon either of them concerning that by which she ransoms herself. These are the limits of Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah - it is those who are the wrongdoers. And if he has divorced her [for the third time], then she is not lawful to him afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him. And if the latter husband divorces her [or dies], there is no blame upon the woman and her former husband for returning to each other if they think that they can keep [within] the limits of Allah . These are the limits of Allah, which He makes clear to a people who know. And when you divorce women and they have [nearly] fulfilled their term, either retain them according to acceptable terms or release them according to acceptable terms, and do not keep them, intending harm, to transgress [against them]. And whoever does that has certainly wronged himself. And do not take the verses of Allah in jest. And remember the favor of Allah upon you and what has been revealed to you of the Book and wisdom by which He instructs you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is Knowing of all things.
And when you divorce women and they have fulfilled their term, do not prevent them from remarrying their [former] husbands if they agree among themselves on an acceptable basis. That is instructed to whoever of you believes in Allah and the Last Day. That is better for you and purer, and Allah knows and you know not.
(2:228-232)

 

[Crixus]

Thanks for the proper explanation ..... but in India everything turn into political game , such statements has nothing to do with improving laws but to create a vote bank

Muslims are treated nothing more then a vote bank in India

There's no concept of triple-talaq in Qur'an to begin with, Rules of divorce have been laid out clearly. Here is what Qur'an say
1. Pre-condition
For those who swear not to have sexual relations with their wives is a waiting time of four months, but if they return [to normal relations] - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And if they decide on divorce - then indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. (2:226-227)

2. After divorce (Doesn't matter how many time one say Talaq word, it's one)

Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
Divorce is twice. Then, either keep [her] in an acceptable manner or release [her] with good treatment. And it is not lawful for you to take anything of what you have given them unless both fear that they will not be able to keep [within] the limits of Allah . But if you fear that they will not keep [within] the limits of Allah, then there is no blame upon either of them concerning that by which she ransoms herself. These are the limits of Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah - it is those who are the wrongdoers. And if he has divorced her [for the third time], then she is not lawful to him afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him. And if the latter husband divorces her [or dies], there is no blame upon the woman and her former husband for returning to each other if they think that they can keep [within] the limits of Allah . These are the limits of Allah, which He makes clear to a people who know. And when you divorce women and they have [nearly] fulfilled their term, either retain them according to acceptable terms or release them according to acceptable terms, and do not keep them, intending harm, to transgress [against them]. And whoever does that has certainly wronged himself. And do not take the verses of Allah in jest. And remember the favor of Allah upon you and what has been revealed to you of the Book and wisdom by which He instructs you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is Knowing of all things.
And when you divorce women and they have fulfilled their term, do not prevent them from remarrying their [former] husbands if they agree among themselves on an acceptable basis. That is instructed to whoever of you believes in Allah and the Last Day. That is better for you and purer, and Allah knows and you know not.
(2:228-232)

 

[jamahir]

How can a secular state decide what clearly is a religious issue?

I presume it was implemented in socialist Muslim-majority countries like Iraq, Libya, Algeria etc in a progressive manner.

India's constitution preamble declares India to be a socialist, secular republic.

aww if only you had a parliament to discuss laws based on Quran and Sunnah.

Now these are Muslims who have interpreted differently than you. They seem to be more in numbers. Thats what democracy is.

Are you suggesting that the current Indian system be completely rebuilt to fit modern needs?

India certainly needs a change in its day-to-day working and become the socialist state that the constitution preamble promises.

And if he has divorced her [for the third time]

That is what I meant by Triple Talaq. Not Instant Triple Talaq but one carried out over three months. But I am confused about the initial part in your quoting :

1. Pre-condition

For those who swear not to have sexual relations with their wives is a waiting time of four months

 

[El Sidd]

I presume it was implemented in socialist Muslim-majority countries like Iraq, Libya, Algeria etc in a progressive manner.

India's constitution preamble declares India to be a socialist, secular republic.

I like your ambitions man. You are already 3rd on the terror list. With more gems like you, progress is only inevitable.

India certainly needs a change in its day-to-day working and become the socialist state that the preamble promises.

But the people in the parliament have a better understanding on how to implement this change. Or do you have a mob you can rely on to get this change through?

 

[jamahir]

I like your ambitions man. You are already 3rd on the terror list. With more gems like you, progress is only inevitable.

Who are the first two ??

But the people in the parliament have a better understanding on how to implement this change. Or do you have a mob you can rely on to get this change through?

I was told by the State Secretary of the CPI-M ( Communist Party of India ) branch in my state that his party wants to work within the confines of the Constitution.

And then there is the AAP ( Aam Aadmi Party ) which intends to bring Direct Democracy to the country. Direct Democracy is a truer form of Democracy than the Representative Democracy of the Anglo-Saxon sort that most of the world follows.

So the CPI-M and the AAP must work together even with a status quo party like Congress under a progressive umbrella.

 

[Crixus]

Communist party has no future in India ....they will end up establishing the re education camps for muslims if they come to power in India like China.........

Who are the first two ??



I was told by the State Secretary of the CPI-M ( Communist Party of India ) branch in my state that his party wants to work within the confines of the Constitution.

And then there is the AAP ( Aam Aadmi Party ) which intends to bring Direct Democracy to the country. Direct Democracy is a truer form of Democracy than the Representative Democracy of the Anglo-Saxon sort that most of the world follows.

So the CPI-M and the AAP must work together even with a status quo party like Congress under a progressive umbrella.

 

[Sugarcane]

That is what I meant by Triple Talaq. Not Instant Triple Talaq but one carried out over three months. But I am confused about the initial part in your quoting :

If person decide to divorce than he should first end sexual relationship for four months before giving divorce. Four months before divorce and three months after divorce are enough period for both parties to reconcile. Once three months period after divorce pass and they don't reconcile than 1 divorce is done. But they can remarry (Without cuckold adventure aka Halala invented by Mullahs), this can happen twice, third divorce is last.

 

[Jackdaws]

What a bunch of nonsense. It's really pathetic to see the Congress do this. It was these double standards which reduced them to 40 odd in the Lok Sabha. I want Modi and Shah to go but I certainly can't support Congress either. Looks like NOTA for me.

 

[jamahir]

Communist party has no future in India

Well, as long as the words "Intellectual" or "Intelligentsia" are present in their real sense in India, the communists will remain here. Fewer numbers maybe but very much here.

....they will end up establishing the re education camps for muslims if they come to power in India like China.........

Let us remember that Markandey Katju had said that most Indians are fools. So it is not like the non-Muslim rest of the population, especially the average middle class school/college-goer or jobnik is enlightened ??

Also, unlike say the Cubans who welcomed the revolution of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, do you think the average middle class Indian has enough intellect to welcome re-education camps for Muslims, Hindus etc ??

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Good news. A 'secular' state has no business dictating us our faith.

Not that instant talaqs are even allowed. But even then, this is something that we as a community are perfectly capable of sorting among ourselves. We don't like or need your assistance.

 

[Crixus]

You are a perfect mascot for RSS

Good news. A 'secular' state has no business dictating us our faith.

Not that instant talaqs are even allowed. But even then, this is something that we as a community are perfectly capable of sorting among ourselves. We don't like or need your assistance.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

You are a perfect mascot for RSS

I dont count myself among swine.

 

[Crixus]

I know but RSS cash on people with views like you ...... even if citizens like @Jackdaws wants to change the govt they cant because of views like yours ......

I dont count myself among swine.

 

[Sugarcane]

Thanks for the proper explanation ..... but in India everything turn into political game , such statements has nothing to do with improving laws but to create a vote bank

Muslims are treated nothing more then a vote bank in India

Triple-Talaq provision was enforced by Caliph Omar R.A to curb the misuse of original divorce law (which I quoted) and abuse of wives. So, in India if Muslim men are abusing that provision than Indian government must make laws to stop practice like Caliph Omar R.A did.