Will rafale and s400 completely tilt balance

[The Maverick]

There's no such thing as JF-17 Block 4 cause the Block 3 is not even final yet and we just saw 1 prototype.

JF-17 Block 3 isn't sufficient to counter Rafales and Block 3 is answer to every threat.

TAI TFX is a long story India is inducting Rafales now and TAI TFX is not gonna happen before 2030-35

If THE thunder is not the answer .. Then would you agree F16/70 under a grant aided approach even for 18 fighters and the DRONES and long range cruise missles to take out s400

One country that is currently playing hide and seek wity S400 over SYRIA is the Israeli air force in their F35

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

There's no such thing as JF-17 Block 4 cause the Block 3 is not even final yet and we just saw 1 prototype.

JF-17 Block 3 isn't sufficient to counter Rafales and Block 3 is answer to every threat.

TAI TFX is a long story India is inducting Rafales now and TAI TFX is not gonna happen before 2030-35

Please enlighten us how is Thunder block 3 not enough to counter Rafael
It has
PL 15
PL 10
HMD
Better MAWS RWR
AESA radar
Better sensor fusion or information warfare as indicated by the Chinese sources
3 axis fbw
Internal EW suite
1 extra hard point for pods
Its better than block 52 due to AESA and PL 15
So how is it not a match for Rafael???

 

[The Maverick]

A recent article from Israel on S400 deployment over Syria and impact on Israeli air operations
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-air-superiority-in-syria-clouded-by-russian-s-400/

Even the mighty Israelis are changing tactics

I think PAF would do well to study there tactics

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

If THE thunder is not the answer .. Then would you agree F16/70 under a grant aided approach even for 18 fighters and the DRONES and long range cruise missles to take out s400

One country that is currently playing hide and seek wity S400 over SYRIA is the Israeli air force in their F35

We already have a stealthy ALCM RAAD 2 with 550km range so we got that covered it is also possible that Pakistan will get HQ 9B OR C . The threat is there but Pakistan is addressing them in a cost effective way

A recent article from Israel on S400 deployment over Syria and impact on Israeli air operations
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-air-superiority-in-syria-clouded-by-russian-s-400/

Even the mighty Israelis are changing tactics

I think PAF would do well to study there tactics

S400 does not have the advertised range of 400 km technically it is not possible for the track radar to maintain lock and guide the missile at a fighter sized target in a mountainous region like Kashmir the fighters can simply hide in terrain 200km is realistic but 400 is simply not possible

 

[The Maverick]

Please enlighten us how is Thunder block 3 not enough to counter Rafael
It has
PL 15
PL 10
HMD
Better MAWS RWR
AESA radar
Better sensor fusion or information warfare as indicated by the Chinese sources

With due respect to your Thunder its a budget $35 million dollar plane
The rafale is hyper expensive state of the Art $130 million dollar plane

For starters its Airframe is light year ahead in design thought and build materials
The engine is new generation crystal blade FADEC ENGINES x 2
its SPECTRA ew suites are fifth generation standard
it has superior climb more agilty better TWR
RBE2 aesa radar is the best in europe
meteore is ramjet BVR the PL15 has no ram jet
THE scalp land attack cruise missle can go 600km I think IAF version maybe only 300km

Its comparing a Porsche to a revamped Ford

Don't get me wrong block 3 is quatum upgrade to current PAF but its not rafale or Typhoon



Internal EW suite
1 extra hard point for pods
Its better than block 52 due to AESA and PL 15
So how is it not a match for Rafael??

 

[khansaheeb]

Guys at present my guess is at best Indian air power is marginally superior by a max 2 to 1
Ie India has around 400 4th gen fighters against paf 200 thunders and f16.
Paf has more awacs India better Sam's ie s300 and spider
My question is that $14 billion has been spent on 36 rafales and 5 regiments ofs400 long range Sam cover. Both systems arrive pretty much as we speak ie rafale next month onwards and s400 from January 2021.
To date the paf have answered this by ordering 50 block 3 and more awacs.
Simply is this keeping the ratio the same or have the Indians taken a decisive lead which needs to reduced by another new addition to paf and what does it need to be ie Sam or fighter

Seriously dude, what's with these number games of toys. So what if you have a numerical superiority, you are destined to be destroyed. Pakistan has A-bombs, H-Bombs, small sized field tactical nukes, neutrino bombs, Nuke mines, nuke artillery shells etc. When is India going to stop fantasising about defeating Pakistan, we will not only shatter your dreams but your country, within a day India will cease to exist should Pakistan Army decide so. The catastrophe that India is facing with COVID will be a million times less than what it will face with Pakistan's weapons of mass destruction. Get real and cut out the fantasia. The quicker you let your soldiers know the better that it is not worth dying for these Nazi Hinduvta monsters who are feeding of their insecurity and poverty and destining them for death.

 

[The Maverick]

Khansaab
Covid is threat to all of us including 200 million Pakistanis.
As for nukes we have other threads for this
This thread is to discuss is the current procurement of awacs and thunders block three the answer to rafale and s400.
Or should this solution be something else
My thinking was is block 70.falcons on grant aid around 18 planes
It's poss8ble

 

[Cornered Tiger]

Paf has more awacs India better Sam's ie s300 and spider

S-300: Indian Army or Indian Air Force does not operate any S-300 system at all.

Spyder SAM: Spyder is a Israeli origin system, and was unable to identify friend or foe during 27th February stand off. So this implies that system needs to have FFI system to perform better operations.

You missed that:
Pakistan Army is in process to acquire Air Defense systems as well.

HQ-16: 9 batteries were ordered in total and many are delivered to date.

HQ-9: Next acquisition inline is of HQ-9. Probably 3 to 4 batteries.

Apart from these two systems, we also operate Spada-2000 and HQ-7 SAM systems.

 

[Trango Towers]

So fighting falcon
In your eyes there is no change to gap despite Indian huge investment because paf once again have found solution at a fraction of the cost.

Rafale will.not enhance India enough and s400 is nullified because you already have missles to knock these out .

Am I reading this right

Necessity is the mother of all inventions.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Question is - Can India use it effectively?

Besides, only half of the Rafale will be put against Pakistan whereas the other half on the other side of India against China.

As for long range SAMs such as S-400, they are useless against low flying targets.

 

[MayaBazar]

Guys at present my guess is at best Indian air power is marginally superior by a max 2 to 1
Ie India has around 400 4th gen fighters against paf 200 thunders and f16.
Paf has more awacs India better Sam's ie s300 and spider
My question is that $14 billion has been spent on 36 rafales and 5 regiments ofs400 long range Sam cover. Both systems arrive pretty much as we speak ie rafale next month onwards and s400 from January 2021.
To date the paf have answered this by ordering 50 block 3 and more awacs.
Simply is this keeping the ratio the same or have the Indians taken a decisive lead which needs to reduced by another new addition to paf and what does it need to be ie Sam or fighter

You may want to delete this thread.

Rafales will not be operational until 2023.

S-400 deal is delayed, on hold, will be cancelled.

 

[TsAr]

how many threads do we need for this subject, @waz @Foxtrot Alpha can we please close this thread.

 

[waz]

We have had many such threads. Please search for them. Thread closed.