Bro , I dont understand You ,Foinikas and BON PLAN ...
Turkiye has its own defense industry to produce almost everything
Iraq and Yugoslavia were so weak without national defense industry against super power USA-The UK
in 1991 Iraq was so weak with 30-40 years old Soviet AD Systems
45 km SA-2
35 km SA-3
24 km SA-6
12-15 km SA-8
and 8 km Franco-German ROLAND short range Air Defense System
Today Turkiye has most modern state of the art Air Defense Systems , Radars , AEWCs , EW Systems to create great A2/AD capability to intercept Hellenic Air Force 24 RAFALE - 150 F-16 Fighter Jets and 90 SCALP Cruise Missiles
Turkiye produce its own AD Systems , AESA Radars and EW Systems
( only USA,Russia,China,Turkiye,France,Israel in the world )
Great A2/AD capability with most modern Weapons
-- S400
-- SIPER
-- HISAR-O
-- HISAR-A
-- GOKDEMIR
-- GURZ
-- SUNGUR
-- KORKUT 35 mm SPAAG
-- 600 km BIG BIRD Radar
-- 450+ km ERALP AESA Radar
-- 600 km MESA Radar on Boeing E-7T AEWC
-- REDET-II next gen Radar EW System to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 200 km away
-- HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircraft to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 400 km away
Also Turkiye modernize 200 F-16 Fighter Jets .... ( block70 standart )
Also KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet mass production start in 2024
Also ANKA-3 flying-wing deep strike stealth UCAV on the way
NO S-200 , NO S-300
Only 30-40 years old Pathetic Air Defense Systems
45 km SA-2
35 km SA-3
24 km SA-6
12-15 km SA-8
and 8 km Franco-German ROLAND short range Air Defense System
in 1991
USA had 80-150 km HARM anti radiation Missile easly to destroy all outdated Soviet AD Systems SA-2 , SA3 , SA-6 , SA-8
and 8 km Franco-German ROLAND short range Air Defense System was useless against Fighter Jets
Turkish industrial capability is noted but Turkey is not geographically huge like Russia or geographically distant like USA to safeguard its factories in case of a full-scale war with a capable side. You need to come to terms with this vulnerability.
Range is but one metric to evaluate a weapon system but NOT instructive
on its own. You declared ROLAND useless due to its claimed range of 8 KM but see
post # 233.
Do you study war and battles? I am not getting this impression from your posts.
Iraq had created a command and control infrastructure with a large number of radar systems to alert and provide cues to its SAM systems, AA guns, and jet fighters to work in tandem for the defense of the country like a cohesive fighting machine. Each asset had its strengths and shortcomings when viewed in isolation but would compliment each other in war. This is how an integrated Air Defense system is supposed to work. Iraq was one of the earliest countries to develop and operationalize this capability - very impressive on this count alone.
Credited to RAND
US focused on HOW TO
prevent Iraq from acting like a cohesive fighting machine in war:
Credited to RAND
US came up with an excellent combination of
strategy, tactics, and
technologies that could get the job done. This was the key to winning the war.
Distant observers such as USSR and China were shocked. Much of the world was shocked in fact because most were FIXATED on the Vietnam War instead of understanding how American war-machine had evolved in time. President Bush was like a strongman as well who expected results from people under his command.
You mentioned S-200 and S-300 systems. What can these systems do on their own? You can expect results from an integrated Air Defense system, not systems in isolation.
The mighty Turkey could handle Iraq and liberate Kuwait in 1991
on its own? Do
NOT declare a country weak for loosing a full-scale war to a foe like USA. This sounds ridiculous.
Domestic industrial capability is welcome and desired by the Public but a country might need allies and supplies to handle a capable side in war if or when the time comes. This is how Ukraine is able to handle Russia in war in the present, Russia would have wiped out Ukraine otherwise.
Now you understand the bigger picture?
