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Will Iran, Turkey and Iraq enter a war against Barzani?

Will Iran, Turkey and Iraq enter a war against Barzani?

  • Yes, if Barzani continues his ambitions and makes friendship with Israel

    Votes: 17 50.0%
  • No, Turkey has other goals

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Yes but only Iran will help Iraqi government

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • Total voters
    34
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An rouge country like kurdish area / zone region will just be a trouble maker in long run better to just occupy it before it causes problems

Not sure why they need a country for they have a country already it is called Iraq


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Looks like this whole drama of ISIS was created to steal land from
  • Turkey / Syria / Iraq / Iran
 
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The warrior Kurds will defeat them all if they try anything funky.
The best outcome would be a Turkey - Kurdistan confideration and Turkey should help the Kurds against Arabs who famously betrayed the ottomans. Turkey should help kurds unite the Kurdish territories of Syria and Iraq and join them with Kurdish areas of Turkey. The Kurds will never forget this favour of Turkey and they will become best buddies in the long run. The sticking point is the Turkish and Kurdish nationalist ego on both sides. Once the Turkish - Kurdish confideration is formed then the Kurdish areas of Iran should be the next objective thus uniting all kurds under one state.
 
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No I have a idea

Turkey retakes their lands and moves Kurds to Refugee camp
Syria kicks out Kurds and move them refugee camps
Iran Kicks out Kurds and moves them to refugee camps
Iraq kicks outs Kurds and move them to refugee camps

They can all apply for visa to USA :enjoy: Trump will resettle them some place in mid USA

Or they can thank Turkish government and kiss the Turkish passport
Or they can thank Syrian government and kiss the passport
Or they can thank Iranain government and kiss the passport
Or they can thank the Iraqi government and be part of Iraq and kiss the passport



Looks very shady , bombing in Turkey , War in Syria and War in Iraq and political isolation on iran just to make a new country called Kurdistan
 
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how can you compare it with Baluch problem bro, overwhelming majority of Baloch despite having grievances with central govt want to remain part of Pakistan and Iran. While majority Kurds despite having some kind of autonomy want to create their new homeland..
No two situations can be same in all aspects.

But there are many similarities that you are missing. Both are an ethnic group ( more so in Baluch case) that is dispersed in different modern states. They are a minority in their respective countries and can never actually get decisive power in that country, with 4% of the population you don't see any major political party of Pakistan giving much significance to Baluchistan. In case of Iran there is a sectarian angle to it as well.

When you say majority wants to stay within the federation, what can be the possible reasons for that. In my understanding there can be three reasons.

1. They believe in the state of Pakistan
2. They feel their interests will be looked after in a better way while staying within the federation.
3. They feel with such a large state security apparatus in place, a free Baluchistan will not be possible and such a movement will only result in bloodshed and will not yield results.

Yes there are many who believe in Pakistan, I have met quite a few of them who have their grievances but are ready to keep them aside for the sake of the unity of the Islamic republic.

There would be only a few who would feel that federation has their best interests at heart, not a single Baluch in my social circle believes that.

But there are many who feel a movement for the freedom of Baluchistan will only result in chaos and misery for their people. The state of Pakistan or Iran is too strong to take head on, so they feel staying within the system and working to improve the lives of their ethnic group makes more sense.

A free Kurdistan, against all odds, will inspire that third kind of people and give a new hope to the people aspiring for secession. Whether you like it or not, but not all the people that want an independent Baluchistan are Indian agents. There is a segment of Baluchs, although they are in minority, but they actually believe in a free Baluchistan.

Plus as I said it will be template that can be followed by the global powers. And when the global powers are hell bent on destroying you, a minority voice can easily be portrayed as a majority. A vocal minority will always take the center stage instead of a silent majority. In 71, majority of Bengalis did not want a complete secession from Pakistan, they wanted rights and they thought Mujib and AL will deliver them that after 70's election. But we know how that turned out.

Although we are not as weak as we were in 71, but we need to be careful. Such developments in the region needs to be closely monitored by the people that are at helm of things.
 
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People said the same thing when Pakistan got its independence from India. They were afraid Pakistani independence would inspire Kurds and Baluchs to claim independence . But the Shah still chose to support Pakistan. Nothing happened to Irans internal borders.
Sir that is a very strange example and I am really surprised that people said such a thing back then.

Pakistan was and is a multi-ethnic country that was created based on a theory that believes Muslims of Sub-Continent are a different nation than the Hindus. Having a multi-ethnic nation on your border should have made the Iranians a lot more happier than say if there was a free Baluchistan on your border.

In fact having Pakistan on your border instead of a united India with a population of 1.7 Billion and GDP of 3 Trillion should sound more attractive. So I seriously doubt anybody was afraid that creation of Pakistan will jeopradize your national cohesion.
 
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The warrior Kurds will defeat them all if they try anything funky.
The best outcome would be a Turkey - Kurdistan confideration and Turkey should help the Kurds against Arabs who famously betrayed the ottomans. Turkey should help kurds unite the Kurdish territories of Syria and Iraq and join them with Kurdish areas of Turkey. The Kurds will never forget this favour of Turkey and they will become best buddies in the long run. The sticking point is the Turkish and Kurdish nationalist ego on both sides. Once the Turkish - Kurdish confideration is formed then the Kurdish areas of Iran should be the next objective thus uniting all kurds under one state.

never understood why Afghans support Kurds that much
 
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never understood why Afghans support Kurds that much

We have very similar nature to the kurds being mountainious tribal people etc. We get on very well with Kurds. Not that we don't get on with Arabs (I have several family members married to Jordanians, Palestinians).
This is only my opinion though as I don't think its fair to divide Kurds into four countries based on colonial era boundries. I also think a kurdistan which has good relations with all its neighbours is the best solution for long term stability of ME and is less likely to be used as tool by foreign powers to cause trouble in ME.
 
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We have very similar nature to the kurds being mountainious tribal people etc. We get on very well with Kurds. Not that we don't get on with Arabs (I have several family members married to Jordanians, Palestinians).
This is only my opinion though as I don't think its fair to divide Kurds into four countries based on colonial era boundries. I also think a kurdistan which has good relations with all its neighbours is the best solution for long term stability of ME and is less likely to be used as tool by foreign powers to cause trouble in ME.

Nah, we need more escalation. Kurds have to burn our flags and wave Israeli flags. The more the better, hopefully Kurds start beating some Arabs and Turkmens in Iraq, it has to be on video. These non-Kurds should not have to live under a ethno based state that is racist to the core.
 
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Who does the average (nationalistic type) Kurds hate the most - Turks, Iraqis, Syrians or Iranians?

Why do Turks get mentioned the most in the news and around on online forums but not the other 3?
 
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Who does the average (nationalistic type) Kurds hate the most - Turks, Iraqis, Syrians or Iranians?

Kurdish nationalists from Iraq hate Iraq the most, Kurdish nationalist from Turkey hate Turkey the most etc.

Why do Turks get mentioned the most in the news and around on online forums but not the other 3?
Not true, that only says the type of news you follow.
 
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The regional countries are considering it like a dagger into their hearts!!!! And, looks like they want to move in a tandem this time - for a change!!!! Stakes are dead high - any wrong move and all will lose together!!!!
 
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Seems like a very planned move to destabalize 3-4 countries

Syria is already destabalized and 40-60% infrastructure is badly damaged
Iraq was already destabalized and 30-55% infrastructure was damaged
Turkey was booming economically but it's progress was Hurt by burden of Syria War
Iran while was not attacked directly but it is under sanctions

Initially world bodies stated oh , look the disturbance is due to some mysterious group but in background someone was supplying weapons to this secret Kurdish group becasue after all this war this particular group has gained more power and strength

So how is it possible that this group can just decide to form a new country and then it will of course demand more land from Iran/Turkey/Iraq or even Syria

The hidden agenda is to disturb peaceful relation between Turkey-Syria-Iran-Iraq

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And then view the Kurdistan map
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The close cooperation between Israel / Kudish rebel is obvious , as Israel will seek in future support from them to take over countries like Lebnoon/Jordan/Iraq part of egypt


And this LOVE affair is actually being orchestrated at ground level in news and media to change the mindset of people at ground level to accept IT
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It is really an attack on border integrity of Turkey / Syria and Iran + Iraq
 
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