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Will IAF have an edge over PAF in advanced air weaponry?
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Hello PC,
You are a good kid----the issue about grippen's high tech status was stated by the ACM----his interview is somewhere on the board here---older members have read it---he stated that PAF was not capable of absorbing grippen's technology---it was too much for PAF---he stated it in BLACK AND WHITE-----members here have made it whatever they wanted to.
Sometimes the kids need to grow up and think like men---its time for you now---just because you can drive your dad's honda accord at break neck speed and do stunts on your kawasaki motorcycle---that would send shivers down someone's spine---doesnot mean that you have developed the ability to absorb the technology----.
As a pakistani---just like you own the PAF----I am a pakistani as well---it is my air force as well---just because I don't agree with what they are doing---does not make me a bad person or un-patriotic---just because you are singing their praises all the time---doesnot mean that you are more patriotic than me.
Mean-Bird,
My good man, I appreciate your candor---we are talking intelligent now----you mentioned about integrating mirage 2000 and time it would take to do so---a plane that we are somewhat familiar with----how about integrating JF 17----a totally unproven system---a brand spanking new plane that has yet to be paired with weapons systems---we are putting the nation, the people---the welfare of the country---everybody's welbeing in a basket called JF 17----
You tell me----think like a commander---would you trust your flank with an unproven weapons system against a world proven top notch system---if you are the general of the army---Suppose you are the KHALID BIN WALID of the pakistani army---what would you have giving you protection---a Mirage 2000-5 / 9 or a JF 17 / FC 20.
Qatari and UAE mirages will number between 50--70---on our turf, we don't need a 400 hi-tech plane umbrella today to compete with IAF ( it will change in the coming years ) a 60 plane of the calibre of mirage 2000 5 / 9 capability will put the PAF flyer at a totally different pleateau---they will be the guardians of the skies----that would totally liberate the rest of the planes and their pilots to do what they do best. They will act as force multipliers----just think about it for one moment---if with today's armament---the IAF is hesitant in striking selected targets in pakistan keeping in view what is available---think what they would have gone through if we had mirage 2000's.
In the early 90's somebody spooked the PAF buyer of mirage 2000 about bribes---there were no bribes involved at all----it was a propaganda and mis-information by the indians to keep pakistan in control----and the fools that we are---we fell into that trap head first---and chopped are very legs by ourselves----by an individual who claimed to be a God fearing and honest air vice marshall---sick of these self-righteous fools---nobody thought of pakistan----nobody thought---when we stop this purchase----does our enemy benefit.
Yes there were constraints on the PAF---but being a defence force---dealing in death and destruction---they had to be prepared for the day when the sanctions would come off---what they would buy---it was their job to be prepared and ready that moment.
They should have prepared a two year plan---if today the sanctions came off---these are the two planes that we would go for----and so on for the next two years after the first two ended----the sanctions were not for a lifetime----they would have to come off one day----I just want to share with you the thought process of the PAF----they were too angry with their failure of not getting the F 16's----in their anger they made bad judgements one after the other----they compounded on the mistakes time and again----never admitting their fault to this day that they knew going in that the sanctions were acoming---.
You are a good kid----the issue about grippen's high tech status was stated by the ACM----his interview is somewhere on the board here---older members have read it---he stated that PAF was not capable of absorbing grippen's technology---it was too much for PAF---he stated it in BLACK AND WHITE-----members here have made it whatever they wanted to.
Sometimes the kids need to grow up and think like men---its time for you now---just because you can drive your dad's honda accord at break neck speed and do stunts on your kawasaki motorcycle---that would send shivers down someone's spine---doesnot mean that you have developed the ability to absorb the technology----.
As a pakistani---just like you own the PAF----I am a pakistani as well---it is my air force as well---just because I don't agree with what they are doing---does not make me a bad person or un-patriotic---just because you are singing their praises all the time---doesnot mean that you are more patriotic than me.
Mean-Bird,
My good man, I appreciate your candor---we are talking intelligent now----you mentioned about integrating mirage 2000 and time it would take to do so---a plane that we are somewhat familiar with----how about integrating JF 17----a totally unproven system---a brand spanking new plane that has yet to be paired with weapons systems---we are putting the nation, the people---the welfare of the country---everybody's welbeing in a basket called JF 17----
You tell me----think like a commander---would you trust your flank with an unproven weapons system against a world proven top notch system---if you are the general of the army---Suppose you are the KHALID BIN WALID of the pakistani army---what would you have giving you protection---a Mirage 2000-5 / 9 or a JF 17 / FC 20.
Qatari and UAE mirages will number between 50--70---on our turf, we don't need a 400 hi-tech plane umbrella today to compete with IAF ( it will change in the coming years ) a 60 plane of the calibre of mirage 2000 5 / 9 capability will put the PAF flyer at a totally different pleateau---they will be the guardians of the skies----that would totally liberate the rest of the planes and their pilots to do what they do best. They will act as force multipliers----just think about it for one moment---if with today's armament---the IAF is hesitant in striking selected targets in pakistan keeping in view what is available---think what they would have gone through if we had mirage 2000's.
In the early 90's somebody spooked the PAF buyer of mirage 2000 about bribes---there were no bribes involved at all----it was a propaganda and mis-information by the indians to keep pakistan in control----and the fools that we are---we fell into that trap head first---and chopped are very legs by ourselves----by an individual who claimed to be a God fearing and honest air vice marshall---sick of these self-righteous fools---nobody thought of pakistan----nobody thought---when we stop this purchase----does our enemy benefit.
Yes there were constraints on the PAF---but being a defence force---dealing in death and destruction---they had to be prepared for the day when the sanctions would come off---what they would buy---it was their job to be prepared and ready that moment.
They should have prepared a two year plan---if today the sanctions came off---these are the two planes that we would go for----and so on for the next two years after the first two ended----the sanctions were not for a lifetime----they would have to come off one day----I just want to share with you the thought process of the PAF----they were too angry with their failure of not getting the F 16's----in their anger they made bad judgements one after the other----they compounded on the mistakes time and again----never admitting their fault to this day that they knew going in that the sanctions were acoming---.
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Hahahaha
Who told u that?? At that time when pak was giong to default, and was seeking imf's loan, pak's economy was growing with 3.25% positive, and its improving day by day!! And after 2012 imf's loan will be returned, and that time pak's economy is expected to grow with minimum 7%!!
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Hahahaha
can you provide a link plz
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For the guys who think that paf is inferior, i want say to say that paf is defensive force, and IAF is agressive force, and 75% of indian strike strategy depends on IAF, and for pak 75% strike strategy depends on missile force!! So PAF don't need air force superior to IAF, we only need SAM's, and air defence to kill their MKI's and MIG's. And PAF would act as only interceptor in case of war, and IAF will have both responsibilties, strike and defence!! 
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GDP growth rate may drop below 1pc: official
Pak GDP growth < 1%
GDP growth rate may drop below 1pc: official
Thursday, February 05, 2009
By Khalid Mustafa
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is feared to experience negative growth this year in all sectors of economy except the agriculture sector, a senior official at Ministry of Finance confided to The News.
Growth in agriculture sector is expected around 4.5 per cent depending on wheat production, if this target was missed the Gross Domestic Product growth rate would be even less than one percent, he said.
Pakistan experienced negative growth in 1952 and if the agriculture sector does not perform up to expectations, then once again the country would be exposed to negative growth of 0.3 per cent.
In the last fiscal year, the agriculture growth was 1.5 per cent and now the country is expecting 4 to 4.5 per cent growth, which is to be the only factor that would take the GDP growth into positive zone.
We are expecting negative growth by the end of the ongoing fiscal in all sectors of economy except agriculture. The massive negative growth is to hit Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) and Construction, the official said keeping in view the preliminary estimates worked out with regard to the expected GDP growth by the end of ongoing fiscal.
Electricity & and gas distribution, Transport And Communication, Wholesale and Retail Trade, Finance and Banking, Public Administration and Defence and Social and Community Services are also not likely to perform, but the Agriculture sector would be in the positive zone with no major positive impact on overall GDP growth, he said.
The government is alarmed over the performance in the said sectors of economy and is all set to revise the targets of GDP growth, tax revenue, inflation and exports with International Monetary Fund (IMF) which has extended to Pakistan the 23 months $7.6 billion bailout package under Stand By Arrangement (SBA).
For the ongoing fiscal, the official said, IMF had earlier fixed the target of 3.4 percent GDP growth, 21 percent average inflation, 12 percent growth in export and Rs1,360 billion tax revenue.
Pakistan and IMF would revise the targets during the appraisal process by IMF review mission that is to be held in Dubai during February 14 to 24 period.
Pakistan and IMF would revise downward the target of GDP to about less than one percent, as the global economic outlook has entirely changed from the world scenario during the October-September 2008 period because of the massive decline in oil and commodity prices in the international market.
The official said that Large Scale Manufacturing has 19 per cent weight in GDP growth and it is expected to experience negative 6.5pc growth in this fiscal.
Construction sector with 2.7pc weight on GDP would witness six per cent negative growth against 15pc growth in 2007-08.
Electricity and gas distribution has 1.6pc weight in GDP and its growth is likely to decline 5.5pc from 14.7pc in last fiscal. Mining and Quarrying has 2.5pc in GDP growth and it is likely to experience 3pc growth in this financial year. This means the overall growth in industrial sector would be in negative zone, the official said.
Transport and communication sector growth dropped to 1.5pc from 4.4pc in last financial year. Likewise zero growth in wholesale and retail trade is likely to decline to zero per cent from 6.4pc in 2007-08. This particular sector owns the weight of 17 percent in GDP growth of the country.
Finance and banking sector depicting 17pc growth in last fiscal is expected to show negative growth of 4.5pc. The weight of this vital sector stands at 6.5pc in GDP.
The government is expecting status quo in growth of 3.5 percent in ownership of dwellings sector. This sector carries the weight of 2.6 percent in GDP growth. Public Administration and Defence, which has weight of 6.5pc in GDP is likely to witness 5pc growth against 10.9pc in last fiscal year.
GDP growth rate may drop below 1pc: official
Pak GDP growth < 1%
GDP growth rate may drop below 1pc: official
Thursday, February 05, 2009
By Khalid Mustafa
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is feared to experience negative growth this year in all sectors of economy except the agriculture sector, a senior official at Ministry of Finance confided to The News.
Growth in agriculture sector is expected around 4.5 per cent depending on wheat production, if this target was missed the Gross Domestic Product growth rate would be even less than one percent, he said.
Pakistan experienced negative growth in 1952 and if the agriculture sector does not perform up to expectations, then once again the country would be exposed to negative growth of 0.3 per cent.
In the last fiscal year, the agriculture growth was 1.5 per cent and now the country is expecting 4 to 4.5 per cent growth, which is to be the only factor that would take the GDP growth into positive zone.
We are expecting negative growth by the end of the ongoing fiscal in all sectors of economy except agriculture. The massive negative growth is to hit Large Scale Manufacturing (LSM) and Construction, the official said keeping in view the preliminary estimates worked out with regard to the expected GDP growth by the end of ongoing fiscal.
Electricity & and gas distribution, Transport And Communication, Wholesale and Retail Trade, Finance and Banking, Public Administration and Defence and Social and Community Services are also not likely to perform, but the Agriculture sector would be in the positive zone with no major positive impact on overall GDP growth, he said.
The government is alarmed over the performance in the said sectors of economy and is all set to revise the targets of GDP growth, tax revenue, inflation and exports with International Monetary Fund (IMF) which has extended to Pakistan the 23 months $7.6 billion bailout package under Stand By Arrangement (SBA).
For the ongoing fiscal, the official said, IMF had earlier fixed the target of 3.4 percent GDP growth, 21 percent average inflation, 12 percent growth in export and Rs1,360 billion tax revenue.
Pakistan and IMF would revise the targets during the appraisal process by IMF review mission that is to be held in Dubai during February 14 to 24 period.
Pakistan and IMF would revise downward the target of GDP to about less than one percent, as the global economic outlook has entirely changed from the world scenario during the October-September 2008 period because of the massive decline in oil and commodity prices in the international market.
The official said that Large Scale Manufacturing has 19 per cent weight in GDP growth and it is expected to experience negative 6.5pc growth in this fiscal.
Construction sector with 2.7pc weight on GDP would witness six per cent negative growth against 15pc growth in 2007-08.
Electricity and gas distribution has 1.6pc weight in GDP and its growth is likely to decline 5.5pc from 14.7pc in last fiscal. Mining and Quarrying has 2.5pc in GDP growth and it is likely to experience 3pc growth in this financial year. This means the overall growth in industrial sector would be in negative zone, the official said.
Transport and communication sector growth dropped to 1.5pc from 4.4pc in last financial year. Likewise zero growth in wholesale and retail trade is likely to decline to zero per cent from 6.4pc in 2007-08. This particular sector owns the weight of 17 percent in GDP growth of the country.
Finance and banking sector depicting 17pc growth in last fiscal is expected to show negative growth of 4.5pc. The weight of this vital sector stands at 6.5pc in GDP.
The government is expecting status quo in growth of 3.5 percent in ownership of dwellings sector. This sector carries the weight of 2.6 percent in GDP growth. Public Administration and Defence, which has weight of 6.5pc in GDP is likely to witness 5pc growth against 10.9pc in last fiscal year.
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I read it in news paper!! But i will find for you!!
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Pak's inflation rate is near 20%. And pak also have achieved 25+ revenue growth from july 2008-january2009, and you are saying that GDP will grow <1!! And pak's revenue for year 2007-2008 was 1000bn, and will 1250-1300bn for 2008-2009!!
I also read today in news paper that pak's spending on defence has rise 42% bcoz of war of terror!!
I think you are out of mind bro!!
Tell me what is GDP!!
I also read today in news paper that pak's spending on defence has rise 42% bcoz of war of terror!!
I think you are out of mind bro!!
Tell me what is GDP!!
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You know gross domestic product is not the accurate way to calculate real growth of a country..You have to negate average inflation through out year with your gdp growth then you will get actual growth ..which is negative in this case..
Revenue can be increased with taxing..So it should not indicate growth..
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42percent increase in defence experditure bcoz of war on terror!! But written in urdu!!
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Yes bro Revenue can increased by taxing but do you any country can increase 30% in one year without economy growth??
Most unlikely..but can be done with vigourous taxing..Yes bro Revenue can increased by taxing but do you any country can increase 30% in one year without economy growth??
I think it is not the right way to see economic growth..The apropriate index should be GDP along with inflation or currency value (i.t.o.$)
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Macroeconomic indicators - Pakistan GDP growth seen at 3.5% Dated Sunday, 25 Jan 2009
Steel Guru : Macroeconomic indicators - Pakistan GDP growth seen at 3.5%
Pakistan GDP growth seen at 3.5-4.5 pct - c.bank Sat, Dec 6 2008, 06:53 GMT
Pakistan GDP growth seen at 3.5-4.5 pct - c.bank
Indian Source- Pak expecting 3.7%rise for year 2009!! Dated 7-feb-2009
World Bank to lend $2 bln to Pakistan in 2009 | Reuters
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