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Will America be able to prevent the completion of Gwadar Port ?

Will America be able to stop Gwadar from completion?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • No

    Votes: 44 91.7%

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Are you really taking this idea seriously?

This idea is being propagated vigorously only to build up the hype of a leadership in grave danger that must be supported, more than ever. Usually, this buildup happens right before the military takes "major" steps it wants to take.

That is what I said in my post .
A stable Pakistan is US interests .That is why they didnt raid Pakistan even after they got number one terrorist from
Abottabbad .Even India dont want another Syria type situation in our western border .

India wont fall as long as she has good Indian children like us .
We dont want any others destruction nor we allow some others that looks for our destruction.

Yes, you did. I was referring to a sinister post above yours. :D
 
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The China Pakistan Economic Corridor runs through one of the most important and central geo-strategic locations in South Asia.
Gwadar is the largest and deepest sea port in this part of the world, its natural layout and depth enables largest tonnage ships to dock there, a characteristic which is absent in Dubai and Chahbahar ports.


The projects encompassing the CPEC are worth $46 billion initially, it is the largest investment by China in a foreign country, this amount is equal to a fifth of Pakistan’s GDP and more than twice the total amount of direct foreign investment here since 2008.
The plan is to use 35 to 38 billion US dollars on energy projects and the rest on development of infrastructure, according to a report placed on the website of China’s State Council Information Office.
It specifies $11.6 billion allocated for the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, $11.5 billion in Sindh, $ 7.1 billion in Balochistan and $ 6.9 billion in Punjab.
Gilgit Baltistan is the gateway of CPEC, projects to address energy issues are already in progress there.


Lesser developed areas of Punjab, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are also getting linked with the CPEC road network while Gwadar port will help decrease the congestion faced by Karachi Port which faces a glut of commercial, civil and military shipping, also ending the possibility of any naval blockade of Karachi port by India.
Any future issues between provinces regarding benefits and resources can be resolved by the Council of Common Interest, so that aspect is under control now.
The current elected government is elated with the prospect of taking the credit for CPEC in the coming elections in 2018.
The downside is that the general Pakistani public has little access to details of the project, more specifics regarding the CPEC need to be shared, Chinese firms are mostly involved in the execution and funding is arranged from EXIM bank and the Silk Road Fund.
The latest World Bank report evaluated Pakistan's economy with positive growth following the CPEC investment.


Chinese products and goods will flood Pakistani markets due to heightened accessibility, Pakistan needs to keep good quality standards to continue its trade unhindered.
The CPEC would generate thousands of jobs and revenue worth billions of dollars for both countries, it would also provide Pakistan with essential infrastructure, energy investment and development.
It is important that both China and Pakistan make sure that Balochi companies and workers play a prominent role and feel involved in the development project, locals should not feel that the demographics of the province will be affected.
A special security force comprising of 10,000 personnel will soon become completely operational from Gwadar to Karakoram Highway, to make sure that no unruly elements try to disrupt the project.


Gwadar is perceived as part of China’s 'String of Pearls' naval strategy and its most important strategic gambit.
China’s US$ 5 trillion worth sea-borne trade plies via the South China Sea where the Straits of Malacca become a choke point, Gwadar provides it the alternative trade route for the Gulf regions via the Arabian Sea, shorter and cost-efficient, it provides China an inter-connected infrastructure network to link its economy with the rest of the world, Chinese goods would now come down a 3000 km route to reach the warm waters of Gwadar.


CPEC is said to provide China the clout it needed to counter the U.S. agenda of 'Pivot to Asia' , traditional key players for containing the Dragon on behalf of the U.S are Japan, Indonesia, Singapore and India.
In this scenario, Pakistan emerges as a major player that can balance superpower rivalries and promote trade co-operation.
China-Pakistan relations have a particular synergy lacking in most strategic partnerships in the region, Beijing supports Pakistan’s military ambitions and perpetually blocks Indian efforts to be member of UN Security Council, NSG etc.



India has been keenly watching the progress of CPEC, looking for opportunities to subvert it as it fears encirclement by China and Pakistan, it views CPEC as a mega-scale naval mobilization program that threaten its security and puts global sea lanes at risk.
India worries as China invests in a new batch of nuclear reactors for Pakistan, giving it a total power capacity of 7,930 MW by 2030, it feels like China is moving next door to safeguard its $46 billion investment.
If viewed from the Indian perspective, CPEC looks like an ominous pact between two of its biggest enemies, it tried to counter the threat by investing in the Iranian port of Chahbahar which lacks the location, facilities and capacity offered by Gwadar.

Chahbahar’ s maximum planned capacity is only 10 to 12 million tons a year, it also cannot provide a safe passage for trade through Afghanistan as it remains in turmoil.


In 2016, Gwadar had a total traffic of half a million tons cargo which is expected to double in 2017, at completion it will handle 300 to 400 tons per annum and will be a city of 2 million residents according to planners.
All of India's 212 ports handle 500 million tons a year while Long Beach, America's largest port handles 80 million tons a year which is just 20% of the Gwadar port capacity.


India wants to deny Pakistan the advantage of its geo-strategic location, recently an Indian naval officer Kulbhushan Yadav was caught running terrorist cells within Pakistan.
Impervious to Indian objectives, Iran could have a $100 billion worth of energy deals with China in the near future, there is also a proposal to link the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline with China.

The importance of CPEC to China makes any Indian sub-conventional response very risky, India may not be able to handle the backlash from China.



The general perception is that Pakistan's relations with the U.S. will deteriorate due to the CPEC, U.S. investors have pulled out $71.9 million in the last 11 months whereas U.S. investment amounted to $197.1 million in the previous year, this is just one of the indicators of its displeasure, nowadays Pak-U.S. relations lack enthusiasm.

China increased its investment even more to cover the loss as other investors pulled out, EXIM bank is to pitch in $20 million for the Nawabshah - Sanghar road, it offset the decrease in investments from the rest of the world.

The CPEC has global trade implications, Pakistan must secure it's strategic and economic interests and learn how to balance the two major powers, U.S. and China, without upsetting the apple cart.
In the last 13 years, the U.S. gave Pakistan about $10.5 billion in economic assistance, $7.6 billion in security-related aid, and $13 billion in counterterrorism support, even recently the U.S. Senate passed $1.1 billion under the Security Enhancement Act on account of mutual strategic partnership, but somehow it never took interest in building dams, power plants, roads, bridges or ports.

China views its relationship with allies on a geo-strategic, and geo-economics basis, the purpose of the CPEC is to spur foreign investment and accelerate trade.
The United States could plan on a similar pattern and help put Pakistan on the road to financial security and political stability, it could direct some civilian assistance into CPEC-aligned projects such as improving Pakistan's national power grid.
The U.S. will most definitely continue to play a constructive role in Pakistan as it has since the last 70 years, it is an opportunity for tri-lateral co-operation and it already has heavy economic and trade ties with China.



Today even after striking a nuclear deal with Iran, the U.S. may not completely trust Iran or its new ally India, it cannot afford to lose its influence in Pakistan.
India’s all-time strategic partner is Russia and not the U.S., Modi calls Russia ‘ a pillar of strength’ and India’s ‘most important defence partner', this angle will upset the India-U.S. equation in the long-term as Washington cannot tolerate Moscow.
The U.S. Senate recently rejected an amendment designating India as a "major defense partner" even though India had high hopes after Modi's address to U.S. Congress.


The Chinese government has expressed the hope that work on the CPEC projects will be completed before scheduled time, it is at top priority in the next Chinese five year plan, according to the SCIO report, Pakistan, s profile has improved as an economic destination and economic indicators have risen.
The CPEC project has moved ahead according to schedule and Pakistan seems poised to take it onwards to completion.

Hey

With all due respect i have to disagree with you on your assumption that America is against the CPEC. It does not concern them that much. Yes its a back up for china to route oil in case of war, but, will china and the USA go to war? Highly doubtful. The US just wants to slow them down. That's about it. Contain the dragon. But, having lived in China for 4 years i can tell you one thing, if America keeps pushing the Chinese the way there are in the SCS, the Chinese can snap. I have a feeling, that's what the USA wants, for China to snap and do something irrational. Place sanctions and slow down their economy.

Moving on towards Pakistan, USA just wants to keep a strict vigilant eye on us. Although the US might allow India to take us on. That is what i feel Modi and Co. have convinced the US, that they can, provided the USA turns a blind eye(like in Afghanistan, this was Plan A). India has big plans for its stature in world politics, it does not want to play second fiddle to any country, it wants to be a super power in its own right. So for that reason alone, the USA is not the one we should be worried off, Its India. The US has already stated its position on CPEC, they are OK with it. The title should be "Will India be able to prevent the completion of Gwadar Port?

The Indians need to solve the Kashmir dispute to get that recognition of being country to be taken seriously and they have chosen the most stupidest option of them all, by claiming all of Kashmir, the part where the CPEC is supposed to run through to enter China. Hence we need to be on our toes and remain vigilant for any intrusion, they are practicing in Myanmar and honing their skills, and they might attempt such an operation in Pakistan. Or it could well be a full invasion into Azad Kashmir(highly unlikely), obviously after a massive terror strike in India. God alone knows when this will be, but it is possible. Or, the most plausible scenario will be to push us to do something by damming the Indus and so on, it could might as well be a war for our survival and we will have to do something about it, or in other words draw first blood. They will try and push us to do something. That is the way they work. Many articles have come up about how the next war will be on water, wont be surprised if it is.

From my personal experience with Indians, they thrive on numbers. When they(these were Indians who had lived their whole life in India and were just there for studies) were 4 to 5 they would never pick a fight with me but the moment they were ten or so, they were always trying to piss me off(swearing under there breath when i would pass by or purposely bumping into me) so i do something or say something. And trust me i never backed out even once! Always made sure i gave the guy who started it a good thrashing, but then, all hell broke loose on me..LOL(fights don't last more than a minute) So, since they believe they are more they feel its impossible for them to lose. Its the Indians we have to worry about not the Americans. And with Modi, Ajit and Parrikar at the helm it seems more and more plausible that they intend on disrupting the CPEC and pushing us to go to war.

P.S I have a feeling i have gone way off topic, sorry if that is the case.
 
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I agree with you that the U.S. is resigned regarding the CPEC, I have discussed that in my previous article on Gwadar and Chahbahar.
US needs Pakistan for balance in this region.

Hey

With all due respect i have to disagree with you on your assumption that America is against the CPEC. It does not concern them that much. Yes its a back up for china to route oil in case of war, but, will china and the USA go to war? Highly doubtful. The US just wants to slow them down. That's about it. Contain the dragon. But, having lived in China for 4 years i can tell you one thing, if America keeps pushing the Chinese the way there are in the SCS, the Chinese can snap. I have a feeling, that's what the USA wants, for China to snap and do something irrational. Place sanctions and slow down their economy.

Moving on towards Pakistan, USA just wants to keep a strict vigilant eye on us. Although the US might allow India to take us on. That is what i feel Modi and Co. have convinced the US, that they can, provided the USA turns a blind eye(like in Afghanistan, this was Plan A). India has big plans for its stature in world politics, it does not want to play second fiddle to any country, it wants to be a super power in its own right. So for that reason alone, the USA is not the one we should be worried off, Its India. The US has already stated its position on CPEC, they are OK with it. The title should be "Will India be able to prevent the completion of Gwadar Port?

The Indians need to solve the Kashmir dispute to get that recognition of being country to be taken seriously and they have chosen the most stupidest option of them all, by claiming all of Kashmir, the part where the CPEC is supposed to run through to enter China. Hence we need to be on our toes and remain vigilant for any intrusion, they are practicing in Myanmar and honing their skills, and they might attempt such an operation in Pakistan. Or it could well be a full invasion into Azad Kashmir(highly unlikely), obviously after a massive terror strike in India. God alone knows when this will be, but it is possible. Or, the most plausible scenario will be to push us to do something by damming the Indus and so on, it could might as well be a war for our survival and we will have to do something about it, or in other words draw first blood. They will try and push us to do something. That is the way they work. Many articles have come up about how the next war will be on water, wont be surprised if it is.

From my personal experience with Indians, they thrive on numbers. When they(these were Indians who had lived their whole life in India and were just there for studies) were 4 to 5 they would never pick a fight with me but the moment they were ten or so, they were always trying to piss me off(swearing under there breath when i would pass by or purposely bumping into me) so i do something or say something. And trust me i never backed out even once! Always made sure i gave the guy who started it a good thrashing, but then, all hell broke loose on me..LOL(fights don't last more than a minute) So, since they believe they are more they feel its impossible for them to lose. Its the Indians we have to worry about not the Americans. And with Modi, Ajit and Parrikar at the helm it seems more and more plausible that they intend on disrupting the CPEC and pushing us to go to war.

P.S I have a feeling i have gone way off topic, sorry if that is the case.
Hey

With all due respect i have to disagree with you on your assumption that America is against the CPEC. It does not concern them that much. Yes its a back up for china to route oil in case of war, but, will china and the USA go to war? Highly doubtful. The US just wants to slow them down. That's about it. Contain the dragon. But, having lived in China for 4 years i can tell you one thing, if America keeps pushing the Chinese the way there are in the SCS, the Chinese can snap. I have a feeling, that's what the USA wants, for China to snap and do something irrational. Place sanctions and slow down their economy.

Moving on towards Pakistan, USA just wants to keep a strict vigilant eye on us. Although the US might allow India to take us on. That is what i feel Modi and Co. have convinced the US, that they can, provided the USA turns a blind eye(like in Afghanistan, this was Plan A). India has big plans for its stature in world politics, it does not want to play second fiddle to any country, it wants to be a super power in its own right. So for that reason alone, the USA is not the one we should be worried off, Its India. The US has already stated its position on CPEC, they are OK with it. The title should be "Will India be able to prevent the completion of Gwadar Port?

The Indians need to solve the Kashmir dispute to get that recognition of being country to be taken seriously and they have chosen the most stupidest option of them all, by claiming all of Kashmir, the part where the CPEC is supposed to run through to enter China. Hence we need to be on our toes and remain vigilant for any intrusion, they are practicing in Myanmar and honing their skills, and they might attempt such an operation in Pakistan. Or it could well be a full invasion into Azad Kashmir(highly unlikely), obviously after a massive terror strike in India. God alone knows when this will be, but it is possible. Or, the most plausible scenario will be to push us to do something by damming the Indus and so on, it could might as well be a war for our survival and we will have to do something about it, or in other words draw first blood. They will try and push us to do something. That is the way they work. Many articles have come up about how the next war will be on water, wont be surprised if it is.

From my personal experience with Indians, they thrive on numbers. When they(these were Indians who had lived their whole life in India and were just there for studies) were 4 to 5 they would never pick a fight with me but the moment they were ten or so, they were always trying to piss me off(swearing under there breath when i would pass by or purposely bumping into me) so i do something or say something. And trust me i never backed out even once! Always made sure i gave the guy who started it a good thrashing, but then, all hell broke loose on me..LOL(fights don't last more than a minute) So, since they believe they are more they feel its impossible for them to lose. Its the Indians we have to worry about not the Americans. And with Modi, Ajit and Parrikar at the helm it seems more and more plausible that they intend on disrupting the CPEC and pushing us to go to war.

P.S I have a feeling i have gone way off topic, sorry if that is the case.
 
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US knew China is on the Back of CPEC, as well as Russia and other central Asian estates.
so US knew Pakistan is not the only One.

and my perception, after completion of CPEC, US willl get very very tough time in Afghanistan.
 
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in order to destroy CPEC America has many options at hand
  • support Indian subversion in Baluchistan via Afghan border
  • bring up the Baloch independence in American congress
so though terrorism and political pressure making the both the route and the port itself economically less viable and unstable
  • instigate Islamic unrest/ terrorism in Chinese Sinkiang
thus not only disrupting the trade rout but also causing rift between China & Pakistan. CIA has the option of using the proxy terrorists for that purpose.

  • outsource the killing of Afghan Taliban negotiation leadership to TTP and BLA
the ambush on Mullah Mansoor and beheading him after killing & burning everyone except the Pakistani passport was evident that CIA felt at ease to openly use its proxies. although it doesn't seem to directly affect the CPEC , but antagonising the Afghan Taliban and discrediting Pakistani peace negotiations would mean that Afghan Taliban would also join other proxies against Pakistan , disrupting peace and engaging Pakistan army.

  • Support Indian aggression against Pakistan in case of any planned Mumbai style terrorism in India
America might build political pressure against Pakistan and join India in a prepared and pre-worked blame against Pakistan even before the the terrorist incident finishes in any of the Indian metropolis. supporting Indian navy to block Gawadar and its force concentration along the borders.

degradation of Pakistan is India's right of passage to become a world power and this is a mission assigned by USA to India to show its worth and be a worthy contender and opponent of China. therefore USA has no problem in supporting Iran-India rival port deal although it hates the Ayatullah regime with a passion.

Irfan Bey, if executing plans were that easy, do you think the USA would have failed in Vietnam? Even a relatively successful operation to take out one single guy like OBL couldn't have been done without offering the Chinese with the stealth technology on a golden plate. IMHO, for the Chinese CPEC is an issue of honor, and for the US policymakers it may be just another fringe part of a "game", which is subjected to all sorts of flexibilities. The situation has turned out like that the major US companies are now working for the Chinese - not the other way round - and it's generally accepted that a economically growing China is imperative for the well being of the US economy itself. The USA is not fool enough to disturb this balance, and is ready to show immense flexibilities/understandings in this regard. As for the Paks, CPEC is like a life and death issue, and when the nations reach that stage history has shown us how desperate (Inna llillahi Ve Inna Ilahi Rajeun moment) they can be, and everything else fades in front of that burning rage!! As for India, her redemption lies in Pak's destruction, but how far they're ready to go in the face of growing Pak-China relationship is there to be seen...

*With a fine army like Pak Army, who has the tradition of getting the highest gallantry wards even for fighting on behalf of the British, fighting within their own territories against proxies is not an easy treat to watch for her adversaries. Compare this with the South Vietnamese or South Koreans or Afgan Mafias during the wars fought by the USA. Chinese are damn lucky....
 
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And of-course it will happen just you wait and see maybe not a false flag of the scale of 911 but still it will happen sooner or later.

So tell me about all the oil we got from Afghanistan in return for all the money we spent in the "false flag" operation there. It was all about oil wasn't it?
 
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LOL If any one else was involved then perhaps US could, but since it's China, all the US can do is diddly-squat. :nana:
 
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A stable Pakistan remains in US national interests, fraudulent fear-mongering and conspiracy theories as indicated above notwithstanding. India will rise and fall on its own without any perceived rites of passage needed, as will Pakistan, on its own.

Edit: Funny how the title was changed. :D

Discriminating knowledge as nothing more than conspiracy theories specially when it concerns an event of the magnitude of 911 that shaped the very fabric of history, disregarding such an event without actually doing any form of research, analysis or critical thought is criminally biased and an extreme sense of Intellectual dishonesty, but why am I wasting my time pouring water on someone's teacup which is already filled with garbage.

So tell me about all the oil we got from Afghanistan in return for all the money we spent in the "false flag" operation there. It was all about oil wasn't it?

First tell me how did building 7 collapsed on it's own in free fall motion without any plane hitting it, on live television larry silverstein (owner of the twin towers) said that building 7 was brought down in controlled demolition with explosive (building 7 collapsed about 7 hours after the twin towers and the official investigation which took place 8 years later on peanut budget said that building 7 collapsed because of normal office fire), where was the wreckage of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon and why was there only a hole where was the damage from it's wings?.

You are a hypocrite, you are biased and you are either intellectual stupid or dishonest, or maybe it's your American nationalism or maybe it's your hatred for Islam or Muslims that compels you from looking this up and searching for the truth.
 
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First tell me how did building 7 collapsed on it's own in free fall motion without any plane hitting it, on live television larry silverstein (owner of the twin towers) said that building 7 was brought down in controlled demolition with explosive (building 7 collapsed about 7 hours after the twin towers and the official investigation which took place 8 years later on peanut budget said that building 7 collapsed because of normal office fire), where was the wreckage of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon and why was there only a hole where was the damage from it's wings?.

You are a hypocrite, you are biased and you are either intellectual stupid or dishonest, or maybe it's your American nationalism or maybe it's your hatred for Islam or Muslims that compels you from looking this up and searching for the truth.

The building was on fire and beams weakened...I'm not a structural engineer...




I bet you believe it wasn't even on fire since you weirdly only mentioned the plane...but some @#$ people with big mouths are ignorant of facts.

where was the wreckage of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon and why was there only a hole where was the damage from it's wings?.
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Video of plane wreckage inside the flooded Pentagon...you @#$!
 
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A stable Pakistan remains in US national interests, fraudulent fear-mongering and conspiracy theories as indicated above notwithstanding. India will rise and fall on its own without any perceived rites of passage needed, as will Pakistan, on its own.

Edit: Funny how the title was changed. :D

A stable perhaps yes but must stay poor and violent. Think central America for example.
 
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CPEC doesn't concern America. Its just a loan to create infrastructure in hopes of attracting Investment.

It's up to the Pakistani establishment, political and military to set the environment for that Investment.



Yes.

Blaming USA is the fashion-du-jour in Pakistan these days, but Gawadar could just as easily end like this story:

"Some of the finest infrastructure to be found between Singapore and Dubai lies in the south of Sri Lanka, close to the crashing waves of the Indian Ocean. Broad highways connect a deep-sea harbour to a silvery, angular convention centre and, further inland, to an elegant airport terminal with vaulted wooden ceilings. But it does not take long for visitors to see that something is awry. Wild peacocks scampering across the roads easily outnumber the people using the state-of-the-art facilities. The port sees less than a ship per day and the airport, which has been open for three years, no longer offers regular flights. The Sri Lankan government’s debt on the complex runs to at least $1.5 billion, or nearly 2% of the country’s GDP. And almost all of that is owed to Chinese banks.

Sri Lankan officials are careful not to blame China for the mess. It was the previous president, Mahinda Rajapaksa, who wanted all these facilities built near his home town of Hambantota, even though there was little commercial justification for them. But privately they feel that the lender must also bear responsibility. Were it not for Chinese banks extending vast amounts of credit with minimal safeguards, Sri Lanka would never have been saddled with these debts. Moreover, the Chinese banks charged unusually high interest rates on at least some of the loans. The term “odious lending” comes to mind, says a Sri Lankan government adviser. Partly because of its debt load and big looming repayments, Sri Lanka turned to the International Monetary Fund this year for a bail-out."

http://www.economist.com/news/speci...ts-financial-system-good-and-ill-nowhere-hide

A stable perhaps yes but must stay poor and violent. Think central America for example.

USA has provided Pakistan with billions in aid to alleviate poverty and improve law and order to help its stability, in addition to supporting the military to keep Pakistan secure.
 
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