Will Al Qaeda Fail in India?

[Indrani]

Muslims staying on in newly created Dominion of India and non Muslims staying in the nascent Dominion of Pakistan had NO relevance to their allegiance to the States just created. They stayed or left as per convenience. Rich people on both sides of the border, especially those with a lot of land (non transferrable) preferred to to stay.

That is plain rubbish. Given that India keeps citing the moving of the rich and the elites among Indian Muslims to Pakistan as a reason for the lack of leadership among the Muslims of India to this date, that reason does not hold. Those who stayed back in India did so because of economic compulsions, plus there was an extended timeframe given to move, they were just bidding their time until they could wrap up their business in India and move. By then stories of Mohajir treatment started to trickle in.

For example many non Muslims in Pakistan had no idea about the intolerance they would be witness to. The idea was similar here as well. The people were the same - they had seen numerous conflicts between and among each other. There was a feeling that they will go back to living together again soon. There were many Muslims who stayed during the partition itself but left in the following years. The trickle of non Muslims from Pakistan to India is still happening even today!

The excuses you give just do not hold. The partition witnessed one of the most severe genocide both leading to it and after it and yet you claim people had no idea about the intolerance they would witness? Then you go to say that they had seen numerous conflicts. If numerous conflicts do not give an idea of what future holds, then pray what does?

So the idea that Hindus or Sikhs living in Pakistan stayed because they supported the Two Nation Theory is absurd, just like Muslim staying in India rejecting it. Wherever people felt safe, they escaped. A substantial Hindu population stayed on in East Pakistan. Not because they necessarily chose Pakistan over India, but because they chose a future of security as opposed to one of insecurity, uncertainty and lack of identity. In the South both communities were largely untouched because there was little incentive to leave everything and start from scratch. In Punjab and Sindh on the other hand there were plenty of reason to cross the border to respective safeties.

No the same reason cannot be applied to the Hindus because they were not the ones demanding an independent Pakistan. Please try logic at least sometimes. The Muslims voted 97% for Muslim League in the run up to partition knowing fully well what that entailed. The Hindus were not asked. The Hindus stayed on in Pakistan because that land is intrinsically connected to their history. Majority still left. You cannot make a case that majority of Hindus felt unsecure but minority of them did not.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That is plain rubbish. Given that India keeps citing the moving of the rich and the elites among Indian Muslims to Pakistan as a reason for the lack of leadership among the Muslims of India to this date, that reason does not hold. Those who stayed back in India did so because of economic compulsions, plus there was an extended timeframe given to move, they were just bidding their time until they could wrap up their business in India and move. By then stories of Mohajir treatment started to trickle in.



The excuses you give just do not hold. The partition witnessed one of the most severe genocide both leading to it and after it and yet you claim people had no idea about the intolerance they would witness? Then you go to say that they had seen numerous conflicts. If numerous conflicts do not give an idea of what future holds, then pray what does?



No the same reason cannot be applied to the Hindus because they were not the ones demanding an independent Pakistan. Please try logic at least sometimes. The Muslims voted 97% for Muslim League in the run up to partition knowing fully well what that entailed. The Hindus were not asked. The Hindus stayed on in Pakistan because that land is intrinsically connected to their history. Majority still left. You cannot make a case that majority of Hindus felt unsecure but minority of them did not.

The Hindus left in Pakistan understood that later. You always have a hope against hope that the cute neighboring Mirwaiz would not turn a rabid Hinduphobe.

My point was this - most Musilms stayed in India because of economic/social compulsions and not patriotism.

 

[IND151]

Its plans must be thwarted.

 

[Indrani]

The Hindus left in Pakistan understood that later. You always have a hope against hope that the cute neighboring Mirwaiz would not turn a rabid Hinduphobe.

My point was this - most Musilms stayed in India because of economic/social compulsions and not patriotism.

Oh we are both saying the same thing then. Sorry for flying off the handle earlier. Well there is no shortage of fools and perhaps god had a purpose when creating fools. They serve as an example for the rest of the population as to what the wages of foolishness is going to be. I mean just look at our Marxists and the mire they got us into.

 

[Manindra]

Cleanisng... sterilizing..whatever you wanna call it, began in ayodhya first.IMO
Now stop confusing the Al-qaeda guys, they have to first get their geography right.

In NDTV when anchor asked to Sushant Sareen about this video that how much it would seriously affect India he answered you can simply calculate with their knowledge of India's geography :p

 

[mujhaidind]

My point was this - most Musilms stayed in India because of economic/social compulsions and not patriotism.

Why would leave a country which our ancestors created? There was country such as India before Muslim rule.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Why would leave a country which our ancestors created? There was country such as India before Muslim rule.

Relax. No one is asking you to leave your motherland. Certainly not one that your ancestors created.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Why Al Qaeda will fail in India :-



Al Qaeda Middle East Operative to Indian Operative Salim over telephone :

"Salim, you have a bag of explosives and a machine gun. Go to Khan Market and blow up the area and then kill as many people as you can with the gun. Then raise our flag in the area. Do all this on Friday !"

Salim : Ai nay Baboo. Friday is plenty customers in shop. Plus I have to collect ration cards for resale

Al Qaeda ME Op : But Salim, you must start the Intifada in Hindustan by Friday ! That is the orders from HQ !

Salim : No can do yara. Friday I said is profitable day. All the Hindus buying pooja stuff for Laxmi prayers. Shop berry busy

AQ ME Op: Pooja Schmooja ! Do you want 72 virgins or not you dumb Indian ???

Salim : 72 virgins ??? Yara , we spoke about 72 crore. Now you trying to rip me off. No deal. You renegotiate price. I too must renegotiate price then. I say 144 crore now. I must still hire auto to take stuff.

AQ ME Op: You f'cuking Indians only think money ! You are all the same ! We will keel all of you !

Salim: Sorry , I go now. Plenty customers in shop. I sell all the stuff you sent me for costs of listening to you. I sell it to some Pakistani customers saying they TTP jihadis. Bye

 

[Arya Desa]

What's up with muslims and terrorism? No other people are more inclined to violence.

 

[RiazHaq]

Al Qaeda will fail only if Modi's Hindu Nationalist govt do not aid its recruitment effort by framing more and more innocent Muslims on trumped up terror charges.

Read the following: Haq's Musings: India's Guantanamos and Abu Ghraibs

 

[IndoCarib]

Al Qaeda will fail only if Modi's Hindu Nationalist govt do not aid its recruitment effort by framing more and more innocent Muslims on trumped up terror charges.

Read the following: Haq's Musings: India's Guantanamos and Abu Ghraibs

Nobody frames innocent Muslims for no reasons. It is up to our court to decide if they innocent or not. If they are, they are let off.

 

[RiazHaq]

Nobody frames innocent Muslims for no reasons. It is up to our court to decide if they innocent or not. If they are, they are let off.

 

[qamar1990]

Our only long term hope is a Reform Movement in Islam.

Quite like the Salafis Wahabbi Movement. Even that was a reform movement, only in the opposite direction. The world needs a reform movement that will transport the thinking into the present times. Something along the lines of Swami Vivekananda's thinking vis a vis Hinduism or European Renaissance ....

This movement must eclipse the growing Wahabbi influence. Otherwise these conflicts will continue as these are the manifestations of a disease only - just the symptoms.


Yeah India supports us too


That I am afraid is largely true

And I agree, it's mostly Muslims who suffer from this menace. That is beyond doubt.

there is no such thing as reform in islam….

 

[scholseys]

Judging by the lack of any Muslim making any comment on this 4 page threat, it appears the Hindus are running scared

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Al Qaeda will fail only if Modi's Hindu Nationalist govt do not aid its recruitment effort by framing more and more innocent Muslims on trumped up terror charges.

Read the following: Haq's Musings: India's Guantanamos and Abu Ghraibs

What a troll!