Why?

[Yankee-stani]

Dear @Indus Pakistan ,i said what was needed to be said. We can continue this debate about American ideology which conflicts basis of Islam.
The end point of these discussions is that you could say USA is militarily and economically super power so we need to be their pets.
I'd reply, we can build our own civilization Based on our own culture. No need to bow to American hegemony.

No one is saying Pakistan should be a American client state IMAO it's part of reason Pakistan is in the bad state of affairs it's in right now

Very much so. But you tell point your fingers at Turks today and call them "pets of West" watch the reaction. They will also like the Japanese remind you that they fought like warriors against the West and gave them a bloody nose. Which is why the Wrest also respects Turks for being true warriors.

Is it not interesting as I said earlier that those culture who had the balls to fight, fight and fight the West. Indoing so losing millions but also killing 100,000s of westerners are today quite comfortable with the west.

On the other hand those who did jackshit or even became slaves today scream the loudest about respect and Islam.

The irony ....

Partially correct both Japan and Turkey have similarities in that regard former Empires that were adversary's to the west but they are just pets or just bidding time to break away as Multipolar world approaches

 

[Iltutmish]

A single ohio class sub can do the job. They don't even need to land on your soil.

Ok bro. Then please teach us how to become good slaves. Something like this?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

we had a Revolution

Where did that get you. I have recently become mates with a Iranian in my local gym who migrated recently. He tells me the state the country ius in. You could have been the "Germany on the Persian Gulf" by now if not for the 'revolution'.

 

[Yankee-stani]

America has won the vietnam war. They may have lost the battle. But they won the war. Because they were right and all the commies were wrong.

@Viva_Viet

Where did that get you. I have recently become mates with a Iranian in my local gym who migrated recently. He tells me the state the country ius in. You could have been the "Germany on the Persian Gulf" by now if not for the 'revolution'.

Meh I don't know about Germany of the Persian Gulf but I think Iran would have been a 2nd Turkey at least but the Shah was massive buffoon if it weren't for operation Ajax or the 1953 coup against Mossadegh Iran would not have theocracy it has today another US "Cold War" policy that backfired badly

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Ok bro

Please stop playing childish games. Nobody said here be slave of anybody. Japan, Turkey, Singapore or Vietnam are not slaves of anybody. It is Pakistan that is slave of IMF and begging with 4th worst Passport on earth. The world looks at Japanese passport with utter respect, ditto Singapore or Turkish.

 

[Muhammed45]

they didn't interefere in your affairs until you interfered in theirs.

They tried to puppetize us under shah dictatorship, we had a Revolution o

Where did that get you. I have recently become mates with a Iranian in my local gym who migrated recently. He tells me the state the country ius in. You could have been the "Germany on the Persian Gulf" by now if not for the 'revolution'.

Once an Arab analyst called us Japan of Middle with an slight difference, we have honor. His name was Atwan if im not mistaken. We can build submarines, aircrafts, turbojet engines despite conflicting western hegemony. We are currently on Israeli borders ready to destroy them once and for all. We have influence all over the Middle East without western asisstance. We are a regional power on our own.

 

[Iltutmish]

It is Pakistan that is slave of IMF and begging with 4th worst Passport on earth. The world looks at Japanese passport with utter respect, ditto Singapore or Turkish.

What have you done to make Pakistan a better place? You are 24/7 bitching about Pakistan and Islam but you haven’t done anything. All we get from you is that we are basically Hindus who should worship the Indus River?

Islam is not the reason for our downfall and fun fact: legalizing alcohol and gay marriages won’t fix our problems either.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

2nd Turkey

No, they would have been way ahead of the Turks. In 1970s Iran was ahead of Turkey. Shah of Iran got a few things right. Literacy, female rights and scientific education. Even today Iran has remarkable scientific pool and their female literacy can match if not outdo Sweden. Iran is a progressive, coiled spring that could match some Western European counries was it not for the Mullahs and revolution.

On another note you know how great it would have been for Pakistan? Millions would have migrated next door for jobs and th Taftan border would have $10s of billions of trade. Leave alone cheap gas, oil pipelines.

Alas ...

 

[Yankee-stani]

They tried to puppetize us under shah dictatorship, we had a Revolution o

Once an Arab analyst called us Japan of Middle with an slight difference, we have honor. His name was Atwan if im not mistaken. We can build submarines, aircrafts, turbojet engines despite conflicting western hegemony. We are currently on Israeli borders ready to destroy them once and for all. We have influence all over the Middle East without western asisstance. We are a regional power on

I really do admire the Iranians and their "struggle" against American hegemony but I think there has to be some self critical analysis Iran needs one thing nukes seriously also I think the theocracy interferes with the personal lot of people this gives the opposition in the west fire to propagandize their efforts against Iran.

No, they would have been way ahead of the Turks. In 1970s Iran was ahead of Turkey. Shah of Iran got a few things right. Literacy, female rights and scientific education. Even today Iran has remarkable scientific pool and their female literacy can match if not outdo Sweden. Iran is a progressive, coiled spring that could match some Western European counries was it not for the Mullahs and revolution.

On another note you know how great it would have been for Pakistan? Millions would have migrated next door for jobs and th Taftan border would have $10s of billions of trade. Leave alone cheap gas, oil pipelines.

Alas ...

The "Revolution" was inevitable I mean the Shah was overthrown twice in terms of the Pahlavi dynasty Reza Pahlavi father was the most based nationalist but he was overthrown by the British and Soviets in 1941 for his weak son

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

They tried to puppetize us under shah dictatorship, we had a Revolution

And hows that going bro? A theocracy that's repeatedly failing its people. And sanctions that are keeping you behind. It doesn't seem to be going well at all.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

@Viva_Viet



Meh I don't know about Germany of the Persian Gulf but I think Iran would have been a 2nd Turkey at least but the Shah was massive buffoon if it weren't for operation Ajax or the 1953 coup against Mossadegh Iran would not have theocracy it has today another US "Cold War" policy that backfired badly

families in the hinterlands got shocked that women were sauntering around in mini skirts in Tehran...That provided the fuel for the Revolution..who are we kidding?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Yankee-stani Fun fact: 60% of Iranian university students are females. Iran now produces more scentific talent then many European countries. This alludes to massive human capital in the country that is castrated by mullah Iran as the country is sanctioned.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Please stop playing childish games. Nobody said here be slave of anybody. Japan, Turkey, Singapore or Vietnam are not slaves of anybody. It is Pakistan that is slave of IMF and begging with 4th worst Passport on earth. The world looks at Japanese passport with utter respect, ditto Singapore or Turkish.

Exactly. Vainglorious countries call logical decisions as 'slaves' and what not. What exactly is so wrong in liberalizing the economy when it gets your people prosperity? India was saddled with a socialist system for 40 years- EVERY YEAR WE WENT DEEPER INTO THE DUMPYARD. What exactly was so wrong in dumping it anyway?

 

[Yankee-stani]

families in the hinterlands got shocked that women were sauntering around in mini skirts in Tehran...That provided the fuel for the Revolution..who are we kidding?

That's the difference with the Turks and Iranians,in their strive to modernize the Turks had a war hero in form of Mustafa Kemal the Iranians had a "overglorified" monarch a US "Cold War" puppet Turkey until the 40s was relatively independent it only became closer to the US because of the Soviet Union and the US needing to court both Greece and Turkey as bulwark against Moscow hence both getting NATO membership in 1952

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

That's the difference with the Turks and Iranians,in their strive to modernize the Turks had a war hero in form of Mustafa Kemal the Iranians had a "overglorified" monarch a US "Cold War" puppet Turkey until the 40s wa relatively independent it only became closer to the US because of the Soviet Union and the US needing to court both Greece and Turkey as bulwark against Moscow hence both getting NATO membership in 1952

the shah was degenerate. But capitalism is the only viable system for your people.