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By Tom Rogan
September 19, 2021 - 1:20 PM


The United States would achieve three objectives by purchasing a number of Shortfin Barracuda submarines from France and then giving them to Vietnam.

First, the Biden administration would repair relations with America's oldest ally. Second, it would supply a rising security partner with newly potent means of challenging China's imperialism. Third, it would test President Emmanuel Macron's commitment to international security in the South China Sea.


This option bears note as France rages over Australia's cancellation of a submarine contract worth tens of billions of dollars. France is mixing justifiable anger (it has lost a lucrative contract worth thousands of jobs) with a healthy degree of hypocrisy (France's government-owned Naval Group was playing games with its timetable, cost estimates, and production/sourcing commitments).

Still, these submarines would provide outsize value to the U.S. and broader international security interests were they built for Vietnam. The Shortfin Barracudas would be very quiet and a major threat to the People's Liberation Army Navy.

Vietnam remains in the control of a communist authoritarian government. That said, its people enjoy a degree of freedom and a heavily capitalist-influenced economy. In 2021, Vietnam is defined by a strong export market and a young, internationally connected population. This population is also hostile toward China — angered by Beijing's arrogant claim that the South China Sea is its own private swimming pool and angered more by Beijing's not-so-veiled expectation that Vietnam exists as its feudal state.

Recognizing China's challenge, the U.S. and Vietnam are moving closer together. Though her trip was overshadowed by the chaos in Afghanistan, Vice President Kamala Harris recently visited Hanoi. Top line: the U.S. knows that Vietnamese sentiments, Vietnam's proximity to China, and its possession of a deepwater port at Da Nang (capable of forward basing for the U.S. Navy) make the former enemy an ideal security partner for the future.
China's threat is growing: The U.S. needs partners.

China says that the South China Sea and all its fishing and resource deposits belong to Beijing. These waters see at least $3.5 trillion in annual trade flows. By militarizing control over the South China Sea, China can extort political fealty from regional states and, gradually, international powers relying on the waters for trade. This is a profound threat to the post-World War II U.S. international order. China cannot be allowed to succeed.

So even as the U.S. rightly consolidates Australia with the new AUKUS security agreement, so too should Washington pursue strong relations with France. While France's pursuit of economic ties with China has undermined Macron's credibilityas a leader for democratic values, he has shown sub-surface support for upholding the South China Sea's international status.

From a U.S. perspective, Macron is certainly preferable to the isolationist-minded and pro-China Marine Le Pen, who seems set to be the president's major challenger in next year's elections.

Absent U.S. efforts to consolidate Macron, he risks being caught between an ever-present well of domestic anti-American populism (now being fueled by his foreign minister) and Chinese investment offers. Xi Jinping is no idiot. He will sense that now is the time to offer Macron vast new investments in return for his rejection of U.S. overtures targeting China. At the same time, Beijing is holding firm on its threats to Australia. China's message to U.S. allies:

Choose between its easy economic boosts and its uncomfortable coercive pressure.
Biden should use the two leaders' upcoming phone call to offer to buy some of Naval Group's Shortfin Barracudas — but only on the condition that most of the submarines are transferred to Vietnam (others can be used for U.S. Navy training and special operations purposes).

China would be enraged by such a deal, seeing it as a means of dramatically strengthening Vietnam's Navy and thus the strategic depth of the PLA's South Sea Fleet. Macron would face a choice: accept an economic boon and support the international values he so eloquently salutes, or show that his rhetoric is paper-thin.

Either way, Biden should make the offer, then let us know what Macron decides. The stakes in the South China Sea demand it.

 
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What a bizzare article.... US buying critical tech for a comminist country joined in the hip with china to counter china!!! Not remotely feasible.
 
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Vietnam shows weakness Chinese will come and take our islands. We have nothing to stop them.
Your Ak is useless.
Lol, Mr Viet, You have clearly lost yourself, your priority is to win the war against delta in your biggest city.
 
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Buying some of our drones to surveillance South China sea would be more feasible than this bs article.
 
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Under US taxpayers money, Vietnam -> South Vietnam....

One South Vietnam is enough.....
 
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Going total nuts. Trying to salvage an already impossible situation LOL Talk about desperation. The damage is complete. The rift is wide in the open. The humiliation is complete.
 
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What a silly article by Vietnam... like everyone else - they can buy their own submarines..
 
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Soft-Warning
In such case, Vietcongs will have to supply millions of mail-order brides to the rest world to get enough money to operate these expensive machines.

Instead of vietcongs should stick to affordable weapons that only consume banana.
 
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Asking USA to buy French submarines for its former enemy, the Red Communist Vietnam in order to support USA geopolitical ambition in the region???

:sarcastic::sarcastic:

How amateurish and desperate can these people gets? Are they mad or have they gone crazy?
It is beginning to sound like school boys gathering together to devise a childish prank rather minus the maturity of adults
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Yes. Anotony Blinkems, Sherman, Jake Sullivan and even Biden himself acted so amateurish in all these episodes.

No wonder Chinese President Xi gracefully decline the US President request for a summit. Yes. Xi is right. What is it for?
No wants ever dare to turn down aUSA President request. The world has changed. Who are the real superpowers today?
No wonder UK FM said, USA is no longer a Superpower.

As I have often pointed out and cited, in event of a conflict between the dragon and the bald head eagle, the best strategy is to take the opportunity and reannex and reunite Vietnam as its former lost Province of Annam.

Then immediately USA lost its Vietnam card and will be shut out of the South China Sea.
The 7 stars or island strategem by China is proving to be very effective today. Let not go into the details like SOSUS, etc :coffee:
 
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Last time Chinese rant out from annam in 1979.

Malaysian can take back the Island called in Malay Singapura and deport all Hua ethnic back to China.:smitten:

First of all, let me remind you that I don't debate with trolls.
Do you get it?

FYI Vietnamese elite Flying Tiger regiments was completely annihilated during the war and now its flag is now on display hanging inside the wall of China Guangzhou Border Guards Garrison gor all to see. That is Vietnamese best of the best.
It is quite humiliating.

Khmer Kroms from the vanished Kingdom of Kampa like you will never understand the significance of this nor the flattening of a city called Langson in North Vietnam.

Give you a hint.
It is of historical significance.

Meanwhile
you can continue to propagate and drum up your historical victory over America with the photo of US helicopter hovering over US Embassy.

Of course, laced with glorifying tales of Vietcong sniper shooting down B52 bomber, its 10,000 US warplanes and the killing of the 1 million GI soldiers in songs and dances.

Like the evidence your ancestors left in ita records written on banana leaves.

:omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha:
 
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Unable to have any meaning discussing with this "Viet" guy. Not sure why he is wasting his time here.

Yes. Don't waste your time.

His hero is fellow country man, the famous and legendary Killing field Khmer Rouge Pol Pot, They are the same ethnicity.

He hate all North Vietnamese who theu regarded as Chinese and are in fact Chinese.

Interestingly, a recent joint research and studies by two Japanese Universities confirmed that the DNA extracted from a 2000 year old body found in Japan confirmed modern Japanese are in fact descendents of Han.
Hence Chinese themselves.

This is something we already knew but many Japanese are in denial.

That is why I believe after the fall of Qing Dynasty, Japan launched its unprovoked attack on North China in September 18, 1931. The intention was to claim the rightful throne for themselves as descendants from Qin Empire or the mentality which I refer to as super Chinese over slaves Chinese.

Now you know why Japanese army practice of bowing and beheading their enemies. In history that is what the cruel Qin Emperor did to his enemies.
 
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