Why religion and politics don't go together.

[Indus Pakistan]

The symptoms are. You fail to adjust to the host society. Then you end up being economically marginalized. Then you get stuck in some horrible ghetto with 99p chicken chips on every corner. Then you get angry at host society. Then you get some Arab/Nigger combo with frizzy beard who offers you salivation called ummah with a magical comical khalifa. And then you either can end up blowing yourself up in London if you have the balls or end up touting this ummah pipedream while gurgitating on 99p Chicken Chips while slupring on halal kola.

Then you buy you halal chewing gum seeing it has no trace gelatine in it while walking past a pub inhaling alcohol fumes.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

A discourse of this nature is not allowed in any Muslim majority country. As a whole, our political structures (be it secular or otherwise) are compromised by outside powers and interests to varying degrees. So, be it secular or an Islamic entity, the world's top powers will do their level best to prevent another competitor to rise.

In other words, any political discourse we have, it must reflect this reality as well, and any solution we propose, it must demand true unequivocal sovereignty for our countries. That's the only way we Muslims will be able to truly decide on our political, ideological, etc, etc framework, whatever that framework might be.

Otherwise, we'll see the status quo entities exploit popular sentiments (in any direction) to their benefit, and the cycle will continue. Today, folks will be suspicious of Islam, and then 50 years from now, we'll hate seculars, and back and forth we go without actually solving problems.

After WW2, China broke free of said shackles, and then it internally decided which course to take. We could have very well ended up with the ROC as our neighbour instead of the PRC, but in either scenario, it likely would have been an independent power.

@313ghazi @Indus Pakistan

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

It's about Muslim and you sir, are not a Muslim... so butt off.
And if you dream that Pakistan or Any Muslim country will end up a Kuffar nation... then just Forget about it...

ISLAM will prevail...whatever you like it or not...

You love political Islam so much that you left Tunisia to live in France? (Although one could argue that France is quickly becoming a Muslim country itself...)

 

[Yankee-stani]

The symptoms are. You fail to adjust to the host society. Then you end up being economically marginalized. Then you get stuck in some horrible ghetto with 99p chicken chips on every corner. Then you get angry at host society. Then you get some Arab/Nigger combo with frizzy beard who offers you salivation called ummah with a magical comical khalifa. And then you either can end up blowing yourself up in London if you have the balls or end up touting this ummah pipedream while gurgitating on 99p Chicken Chips.

You mean Fried Chicken man but I get your point

A discourse of this nature is not allowed in any Muslim majority country. As a whole, our political structures (be it secular or otherwise) are compromised by outside powers and interests to varying degrees. So, be it secular or an Islamic entity, the world's top powers will do their level best to prevent another competitor to rise.

In other words, any political discourse we have, it must reflect this reality as well, and any solution we propose, it must demand true unequivocal sovereignty for our countries. That's the only way we Muslims will be able to truly decide on our political, ideological, etc, etc framework, whatever that framework might be.

Otherwise, we'll see the status quo entities exploit popular sentiments (in any direction) to their benefit, and the cycle will continue. Today, folks will be suspicious of Islam, and then 50 years from now, we'll hate seculars, and back and forth we go without actually solving problems.

@313ghazi

Yeah it's the same debate over and over both sides are easily explouted to cause division in societies and it's people in the Muslim world

 

[Menace2Society]

The symptoms are. You fail to adjust to the host society. Then you end up being economically marginalized. Then you get stuck in some horrible ghetto with 99p chicken chips on every corner. Then you get angry at host society. Then you get some Arab/Nigger combo with frizzy beard who offers you salivation called ummah with a magical comical khalifa. And then you either can end up blowing yourself up in London if you have the balls or end up touting this ummah pipedream while gurgitating on 99p Chicken Chips.

Its called victim mentality coupled with delusions of grandeur. Good Muslims talk about pathway to heaven through compassion and acts of selfless kindness.

Hellfire scum talk about Islamic empire and oppressing non muslims, women, paedophilia through child marriages, jizya, arab only caliph, world domination, the secullaarrr weeeest while living their best lives in the west.

The fact he doesn't even know what ego is shows his capacity to think like a fully functioning human. Just same old tyranny loving salafist dogma. Its the reason why all the psychopaths went running to ISIS chasing this dream of absolute control of others through brute force. Im sure this specimen secretly cheered for them. How many Pakistanis died through this ideology? We went from Edhi to TTP brainwashing children to becoming suicide bombers.

 

[Yankee-stani]

But I think this debate should occur because the more we push it to the taboo harder to end the exploiters from using differences I think in Pakistan sense be it your a So called Islamists or so called Secularist for the most part what you label yourself as most folks want a prosperous or stable country

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

You mean Fried Chicken man but I get your point


Yeah it's the same debate over and over both sides are easilynexplouted to cause division in societies and it's people in the Muslim world

Exactly. The day the population says 'we want Islam,' we get mullah diesels. The day we say we want 'seculars,' we get the Bhuttos. Isn't it amazing how consistently we get trash no matter the choice we make? What that tells me is that we're not actually making a choice, we're just shifting the faces without really changing the system.

If we don't own political sovereignty, we will never get real change. Full stop.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You love political Islam so much that you left Tunisia to live in France? (Although one could argue that France is quickly becoming a Muslim country itself...)

Contradictions, contradictions. The best place to cry about virtues of teetoling is inside a club full of drunks. The best place to cry virtures of virginity is inside a brothel full of crackhead whores.

 

[Norwegian]

What is this gibberish? Secular and Islamic are two opposite things

No it is not. Norway is a secular monarchy with Christian values

 

[Yankee-stani]

Exactly. The day the population says 'we want Islam,' we get mullah diesels. The day we say we want 'seculars,' we get the Bhuttos. Isn't it amazing how consistently we get trash no matter the choice we make? What that tells me is that we're not actually making a choice, we're just shifting the faces without really changing the system.

If we don't own political sovereignty, we will never get real change. Full stop.

The problem with Muslim unity is every regional powerful Muslim country be it Turkey,Iran,GCC etc are just using religious affiliation for their hegemonic ways to gain traction sad part Pakistanis care about those countries than ourselves

Contradictions, contradictions. The best place to cry about virtues of teetoling is inside a club full of drunks. The best place to cry virtures of virginity is inside a brothel full of crackhead whores.

Oii oiiiii

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

But I think this debate should occur because the more we push it to the taboo harder to end the exploiters from using differences I think in Pakistan sense be it your a So called Islamists or so called Secularist for the most part what you label yourself as most folks want a prosperous or stable country

Agreed. We should unite on being 100% independent first, and then when we clear ourselves of outside interference, we should debate on how to run ourselves. Even the Nabi (saw) had walked away from a tribe that had a pact with the Persians. There's a value in independence and sovereignty that any Islamist or Secularist will appreciate.

 

[Mutakalim]

No it is not. Norway is a secular monarchy with Christian values

We are talking about Islamic republic of Pakistan, which is definitely not secular.

 

[Menace2Society]

We all need to look at India as an example who is descending into madness by its politics mingling with RSS hindu ideology. I will call them copycats. They are mimmicking your worst behaviour as an act of protest.

If you can see this as an injustice then you must apply the same ideals on other examples. Or is RSS doing the right thing ? Lets be consistent here.

Just zone out from non Pakistani Muslims for a moment, just had it with their interference, they couldn't care less about Kashmir or our welfare, they just want to make sure we keep looking up to them in attempt to maintain a master slave relationship. They think we and Indians are the same and should settle our differences and enjoy bollywood and laugh it out. How many fucking Kashmiris have died and women raped? And they just laugh and say bollywood.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

All this talk of cheap fried chicken 'n chips dripping in fats and slurped with sugary halal kola has made me hungry. I am off to get some along the way I will give some charity to my starving bros in Syria and oppressed sisters in Palestine.

 

[313ghazi]

You love political Islam so much that you left Tunisia to live in France? (Although one could argue that France is quickly becoming a Muslim country itself...)

Typical racist comment targetted at migrants. Everyone knows full well people left for economic opportunity. Perhaps it reflects that you can't argue the mans point so you're trying to deflect and troll.