Why religion and politics don't go together.

[Indus Pakistan]

Come to the topic. Present your argument against the Quran, if you have any.

Okay, haha your obvious slippery replies confirms your a born/bred UK ghetto jihadi.

 

[Lincoln]

In my personal opinion, we have really corrupted religion by using it as a political tool.

There exists no country right now which is on a path to prosperity under a political system governed by religion. That speaks volumes.

Let people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. Who are we to judge when even God has promised not to judge until the judgement day.

And like someone else already mentioned, separation of religion from politics will only give rise to religion in its purest form. People will be religious for God, not for politics or society benefits.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And like someone else already mentioned, separation of religion from politics will only give rise to religion in its purest form. People will be religious for God, not for politics or society benefits.

I don't follow this logic, because history has shown that in every society with this separation, religion has become irrelevant and functioning only as a tool for government.

The Islamic system was well established during the time of Prophet Muhammad saws and 4 Rashidoon. Quran and Sunnah are very clear on that.

 

[Menace2Society]

I don't follow this logic, because history has shown that in every society with this separation, religion has become irrelevant and functioning only as a tool for government.

How so?

On my street there are Muslims,Christians and Hindus all practising. On their religious celebrations they will give out food, maybe not the christians.

So what history are you looking at? I am looking at current reality.

You are from US correct? I travelled through California in the summer. San Francisco to LA via yosemite, Fresno and Bakersfield. Met Sikh and Muslims all doing their thing.

It gives them space to concentrate on their spirtual journey on a personal level rather than some blood lust world domination slay all the non believers ideology. Their happy, society is happy, everybody happy.

So I struggle to understand what history you are looking at. Unless you want to present medieval europe as an example? That is old news friend, so is the zenith of the Islamic empire. Its all relative.

 

[HannibalBarca]

How so?

On my street there are Muslims,Christians and Hindus all practising. On their religious celebrations they will give out food, maybe not the christians.

So what history are you looking at? I am looking at current reality.

You are from US correct? I travelled through California in the summer. San Francisco to LA via yosemite, Fresno and Bakersfield. Met Sikh and Muslims all doing their thing.

It gives them space to concentrate on their spirtual journey on a personal level rather than some blood lust world domination slay all the non believers ideology. Their happy, society is happy, everybody happy.

So I struggle to understand what history you are looking at. Unless you want to present medieval europe as an example? That is old news friend, so is the zenith of the Islamic empire. Its all relative.

It's about Muslim and you sir, are not a Muslim... so butt off.
And if you dream that Pakistan or Any Muslim country will end up a Kuffar nation... then just Forget about it...

ISLAM will prevail...whatever you like it or not...

 

[Norwegian]

Islam. Islam mine. Islam yours. Real Islam. True Islam. And it goes on. While there maybe one Islam but the human ability to interpret things in million ways means often my take on Islam won't be same as the next guy. Indeed two people could end up up fighting and killing each other because they are so sure Allah is on their side. Whose actual side Allah is is never found out and something only to be seen in hereafter and since once you go over no one has yet come back to tell us "hey I was right Allah was on my side". Instead the two sides will keep praying on the graves of their dead and claim they died fighting for "the Islam". The only way out of this madness is everybody pulls back and instead focus on their own perspective of Islam and use that to better themselves as they will face account for their own actions. For instance when I leave the world non of you guys will be able to remedy or help the accountability I face. I will face it for my actions. NOT OTHERS.


What I am saying is we need to remove Islam from the dirty, grubby world of politics. Because when religion fuses with politics it only creates more schism and chaos. All it manages to do is turn Islam into a slogan. A cheap tool to be used for gread and power.

A great example of this can be seen by the Azadi March of JUI-F by Maulana Diesel. This is a man who claims to represent Islam and has considerable support in some parts of the country. Yet is he face of Islam? That can't be it. I know it is reasy to dismiss him but we can't ignore that he has plenty of support and will claim as vocally as any others that he is the carrier of the banner of Islam. You can say no but this only goes back to my opening paragraph.

Thoughts people?

Jinnah envisioned Pakistan as a secular republic with Islamic principles the classic "Riyasat Madinah".

 

[Menace2Society]

It's about Muslim and you sir, are not a Muslim... so butt off.
And if you dream that Pakistan or Any Muslim country will end up a Kuffar nation... then just Forget about it...

ISLAM will prevail...whatever you like it or not...

Here comes the salafist brigade trying to hide the truth from everyone.

You know my father took me to Sheikh Nazim gathering when I was young, all these adults kissing his hand like fools. I youtubed him when I got older and he was peddling some BS political predictions that never came true. Man is a fool and so are you.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Here comes the salafist brigade trying to hide the truth from everyone.

You know my father took me to Sheikh Nazim gathering when I was young, all these adults kissing his hand like fools. I youtubed him when I got older and he was peddling some BS political predictions that never came true. Man is a fool and so are you.

No wonder you went astray... When you don't even know what is Islam about...
Seems you mistaken Idol Worshipers/Saint Worshipers for Islam, boy...

 

[313ghazi]

It gives them space to concentrate on their spirtual journey on a personal level rather than some blood lust world domination slay all the non believers ideology. Their happy, society is happy, everybody happy.

You do realise that the bit in bold isn't what anyone of us refer to when we talk about an Islamic society or a caliphate?

 

[HannibalBarca]

You do realise that the bit in bold isn't what anyone of us refer to when we talk about an Islamic society or a caliphate?

it doesn't matter for him... His desires/emotions is what rule his thinking...

 

[Menace2Society]

No wonder you went astray... When you don't even know what is Islam about...
Seems you mistaken Idol Worshipers/Saint Worshipers for Islam, boy...

Seems like you can't differentiate God from your ego boy. Maybe they are one for you thats why you are the way you are.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Seems like you can't differentiate God from your ego boy. Maybe they are one for you thats why you are the way you are.

So...
now you think Islam is some Sadhguru teachings/Christianity look alike...
Well... tell me more about what you think Islam is...
I will be even more surprised...

 

[Mutakalim]

Okay, haha your obvious slippery replies confirms your a born/bred UK ghetto jihadi.

I am a born and bred Pakistani Muslim. It is you who are effected by foreign ideology.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am a born and bred Pakistani Muslim.

But you are UK resident. Probably some inner city ghetto and your showing all the symptoms. And we can get the Mods to confirm your residency.

 

[Mutakalim]

Jinnah envisioned Pakistan as a secular republic with Islamic principles the classic "Riyasat Madinah".

What is this gibberish? Secular and Islamic are two opposite things.

But you are UK resident. Probably some inner city ghetto and your showing all the symptoms. And we can get the Mods to confirm your residency.

Oh please, proceed.