Why Rajapaksa is good for economy
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Your theory of energy management is not effective for a country like SL. That is mainly due to the fact massive cost of power generation using renewable energies such as solar, wind, thermal etc., (except hydro of course). Currently coal is the most economical method or energy generation in SL. Maybe in future we ca move to Nuclear plants. But that is more than decades ahead. Until then we need to generate enough energy to meet the demands of the emerging nation without breaking sweat. Coal is the best option.
There are many advantages of using coal against diesel and hydro power.
1) Coal is cheaper than diesel
2) Coal power generation can be obtained 24x7 regardless of the weather conditions.
The main drawback of the hydro power generation is that it's unpredictability. Rain is not a good source to rely on for continues power generation.
Don't say N'cholai is a disaster. According to your own reports the main culprit is the bad coal used. We just need to use good quality coal to the plant. Then the problem is solved.
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Come to the point. EE's in CECB knows about it's operations like their backs of hand. But new EE don't know that much. That is the issue. Even we employ new batch of EE's it will take some time for them to understand the procedure. That crucial "time" is what the politicians are fear about. No politician like to see the country with severe electrical shortages during their tenure. People will blame them just like you with out considering anything for the electrical failures.
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This is very startling. When a project is started we usually have a contractor and a consultant to run the project. It is the consultants duty to check whether the project is going as specified. Consultants are also advice the client on the technical issues. So there is no doubt that our EE were well informed prior to the handing over of the project.
Anyway it is bound to have failures also because this is our first experience in coal power production. However having said this here you also blame some other place that N'cholai broken down this much time and this much time. Can't you see through.
Don't try to compare N'cholai with Mahaweli. When Mahaweli was handed over we had very good experience on handling hydro power plants. But our first hydro power plant the Wimalasurendra plant face as many break downs as the N'cholai. If you were there then you would've surely cursed it too. So don't just blame politicians and look at the whole picture.
Power devolution and the national issue are two different subjects. Do not get confused. The stance on national issue is that MR has not moved towards giving excessive powers to Tamil politicians to create their own Eelam. This is true for the Muslim politicians also.
Well of course they are big countries. They have higher GDPs.
That doesn't mean they are better than us.
When you cannot believe it the statistics are wrong. What a theory.
For 30 years there were some one who wanted it. Now there are none. And also during those 30 years there were people who said give what the other side wants and let's live in peace.
Of course TNA don't want the proper implementation of 13A. That is the main issue. They don't need to see any reconciliation between Tamils and Sinhalese. That is the problem.
And how do you suggest SLG should cope with them?
Because of that two countries, UN cannot use force against us. Because of that two countries, UN cannot implement what they want on us. Do you understand.
Apart from 18th amendment. Child rapers was also in UNP governments. One notorious person called Gonawala Sunil happened to be the right hand of your beloved Ranil Wikramasinghe. Atleast Child rapers go to jail in this government. But UNP government gave them JP status.
Oh yeah. Just because we propose to build bridge over the Sethu India will stop their project. Even then they would have built draw bridges allowing ships to pass it at will. What stupid arguments you have?
BTW we already have enough problems with India even without land link. RW was willing to create one to multiple the issues we have. What a leader.
That is why the roads are carpeted. That is why expressway is extended. That is why rail line is extended. That is why airport was built. Do you understand.
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and MR's lover boy Sajin Vaas >>>>>>>>>>>.Chris Nonis
අනේ තෝ වගේ ගොන් මෝඩ හරකෙක්!It is not my theory. That is the standard energy management plan adopted by every country. තෝ දන්න මගුලක් කතා කරපිය. For your information I am an energy engineer. The ones who criticized the energy management plan were Prof Rathnasiri of UoM, Sri Lanka energy forum director and another expert called Anil Cabraal. All of them said this plan is not good and very costly for SL.
And මැට්ටෝ, so called Mahinda Chinthana also said of an energy management plan similar to what I said. Did MR find it not effective all of a sudden?
The reality is this coal centric powerplants were part of business deals of MR and his family and friends. Because one of their companies are importing coal for SL.
Imagine you have coal power plants all over and you also has the monopoly to import coal.
අනේ ඇයි මගේ රටේ තොපි වගේ හරක් ජාතක වුණේ?And again talk about things you know. How production cost for solar, wind and thermal is are high? I guess you have no idea about what you are talking about but choosing tid bits to defend this unimaginably corrupt government. Production cost for these are low, but capital cost is high. But if you have regular sunshine and wind energy potential it is always good.
How is it is not effective for SL? Receiving sunshine 365 days a year is itself makes it effective. Even Scandinavian countries like Sweden (which lack sunshine) invest in solar. Saying solar power is not effective in SL is one of the stupidest things to say. And the research and development in this area is huge. We will not have solar plants today, but by the time we have it in 20 years it will be much more effective and profitable.
:O your stupid government built a coal plant that broke 12 times within the first year and you want this gover to build Nuclear plants. අනේ මැටි පුතේ, nuclear power plants are not toys. A small irrugularity and bad design of it can wreack havoc and as a small country it will be hard to bear. You are talking things having NO idea on energy systems and the manner SL works. If SL go for nuclear and looking at how the coal plant functions, people in SL will get extinct.
“more than decades ahead” - මහින්ද හිටියොත් නම් ලංකාව එච්චර කල් තියේද කියන ප්රශ්නය තියෙනවා.
Yeah yeah coal is the best option, because your MR thinks so….coal is the best option for businessmen who has monopoly in coal imports (MR’s relatives) යකෝ තොට මහින්දයා හොරකම් කරන ඒවා වලින් හාල් ඇටයක් වත් හම්බෙනවාද මෙච්චර පුක දෙන්නේ?
Hydro power is always a BETTER source than coal. තෝ දන්න බලශක්තිය!
Coal is cheaper than diesel, and where have I said NO? The issue is the energy management plan is STUPID!! One can say coal is a better substitute for diesel in terms of cost (not quality). But as I said earlier,
1. When diesel price goes up, coal price goes up as well
2. The cost predictions of coal are done only in American dollar and not in SLR and thereby avoiding price fluctuations. That is planners have deliberately ignored the fact that SLR depreciates against dollar thereby the anticipated prices are much lower than they should be.
When rain falls down we shift to non renewable energy sources. That is how it functions. When we have rain we use it, when we don’t we shift it. That is how energy management works. Are you saying we should shut down all our hydro plants because they are unpredictable? You don’t know a sh1t about how these plants work.
SL is a country with a high rain fall, for such a country hydro power is an important factor that cannot be written off. In 2013, 51% of our electricity production was done using hydropower..
Hydro power production cost is 4 SLR per unit while it is 8 (as stated by gov but actual is higher) for coal. When we have the option one anyone with a common sense will go for 1.
And මොට්ට පාල, understand what I say.
1. I am NOT saying we should not have coal plants or I have anything against coal plants. The over dependence of coal power plants as suggested by SL government is wrong.
2. Coal is not cost effective as gover says, and there is deliberate attempt to manipulate anticipated figures.
3. All countries that look to the future invest in renewable energy. Actually the countries that has access to renewable energy are lucky, SL is geographically in such position. SLG does not do that because proper energy management is the last thing they care.
මහින්දයා, උගේ පවුලේ අයයි, උගේ යාළුවොයි පුළුවන් තරම් මේවලින් හම්බ කරලා මේ රට අනාත කරලා පුළුවන් තරම් සැප විඳලා රට පනී....තෝ වගේ මෝඩයෝ ඉන්නකම් ඌට හොඳයි.
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From where does N' cholai gets its coal.
Just curious.
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අනේ තෝ දන්න මඟුල.
I too am an engineer and what you say can never ever happen given that people involved in it is very small number out of the total. The only argument which you fail at every attempt is, ‘we cant take action against engineers because country would go dark’…..ඉංජන්ට තියෙන බයක්! අනේ යකෝ !
CECB is the biggest employer of electrical engineers in SL and they have hundreds of them. The persons reported to have involved in it are few people. CECB can very well function without them even while SLG takes action against them. According to your theory lets assume if engineers were involved in a murder plot, SL criminal law won’t take action against them because SL can go dark! It is pathetic and a tragedy you have to depend on extremely stupid theories to defend corruption and mismanagement in this country.
And ගොන් පුතේ as i said in a previous post a few number of EEs are not the problem in Norochcholai, but its agreement, its execution, gover’s not inspecting its building and NOT selecting a suitable builder were all reasons. These are not related to few EEs sabotaging operation in few instances in Kukuleganga.
yeah what can you say? As people who defend every corruption ආණ්ඩුවේ ඕනම බලු වැඩක් in SLyou should have some stupid theory.
About bolded part: This shows how much you are ignorant on power plants. EEs are NOT informed because they need not. EEs are not the consultants in such projects. EE’s scope is a different one and their consultancy is required only when electrical field is needed. The consultants for such a project should be energy engineers, mechanical engineers or chemical engineers. The point is such a consultation has NOT been sought. That is what I mentioned last time. Please use your grey matter when reading. That was the poor planning from gover side.
The existing consultants did not have the right according to the agreement to check whether it is going well. I repeat consultants were blocked by the agreement. The agreement was between the two governments which your MR blindly signed.
We making a mistake in coal power production is a separate thing. This is not the first time SL sought foreign help in a big scale power plant installation.
Project planning, reading and understanding an agreement, seeking expertise and forming a proper consultation group does not require experience in handling coal power plants. That is a simple trait expected in carrying out any project. The exact plan SLG did NOT follow. Had SL acted with professionalism this could have been avoided.
And another thing, if we are doing it for the first time, should not we look into it MORE and do it with MORE cautiousness? It is just plain stupid and pathetic to say hey we wasted 1350 m dollar (much more considering recommissioning and repairing) because it is our first time…
And it was not our first time only. The construction company which built it has not done a coal power plant before. (who the hell will have agreement with it?) SL was their trial with our money!! Your stupid gover could not come with a proper agreement even after selecting the worst contractor!
It was you who compared Mahaweli with N’cholai, not me.
What breakdowns did Wimalasurendra plant faces? Please tell me? Was it also due to gover’s improper agreement and improper planning?
_|_Power devolution is the national question idiot!
What are excessive powers? Where have you drawn the line?
In this very forum you were threatening SL will not implement 13A and if he did you will turn this country upside down. But MR did implement it and did not hear even a sound of a fart from your side.
And no muslim politicians (if they have any brain) will ask for separatism at the moment and muslims will go against it. හැබැයි ලංකාව ඇතුළේ ඊළමක් හැදෙන පෙර නිමිති ආවොත් ඉල්ලයි.
The reason you come up with this stupid theory is because you have nothing left to say…
You were thinking and hoping MR will not implement 13A. All your heros Gunadasa Amarasekara, nalin de silva, Weerawansa are anti 13 people. But MR did implement it and in the future will have to implement land and police powers as well.(ඉන්දියාවේ බල කිරීම මත)
මහින්දයා ඊළම දිහාටයි වැඩ කරන්නේ.......තොපිට ඒක තේරුම්ගන්න මොලේ නෑ....මහින්දයා දැන් යවා ගත්තේ නැත්තම් යන්නේ රට දෙකඩ කඩලා බංකොලොත් කරලා.....අපිට ඉල්ලලා ඉන්දියාවේ ප්රාන්තයක් වෙන්න වේවි...
How does it mean they are not better than us if they have better economies? What were you smoking?
Better theories unlike your EE theory.
The notion that SLG manipulates statistical data is a question raised by many.
I told you I have friends in Central bank who tell us how the manipulation is done. Inflation calculation is misleading. Even Champika himself said gover’s revenue is 25% less than the given figure ….
But we did not give.
The peace processes were required in a sense we as a country had to prove there was no gain in talking with LTTE. That is how indian support came. That was a costly but a necessary period SL had to undergo.
And even people who had stood for a military solution had left MR government and joined the opposition ne. Because they themselves know the real deals (which you are blind) inside the gover.
ලංකාවේ ප්රශ්නය විසඳුනේ නැත්තම් ලංකාවට අවාසියි, කොටින්ට වාසි....ඒ නිසා 13 ක්රියාත්මක කරන එකටබාධා කරනවා..රණ්ඩු පටන් ගන්නවා...සම්බන්ධම් කියලා තියෙනවා එක්සත් ලංකාවක් තුළ සරිලන විදිහට බලය බෙදා හැරීමක් නොලැබුණහොත් ජාත්යන්තරය තුළ ඊළමකට යන්න ඒ ගොල්ලන්ට හැකියාවක් එනවා කියලා...ඒ නිසා 13 හරිහැටි ක්රියාත්මක නොවීම උන්ට වාසි....ඒ වගේ වෙලාවක අපි කරන්න ඕනි කොහොම හරි ඒක ක්රියාත්මක කිරීම...එතෙන්දි දරදඬු විදිහට වැඩ කරන්න බෑ......... හැබැයි ආණ්ඩුවත් සම්බන්ධයි. 13 හරිහැටි ක්රියාත්මක නොවීමට ආණ්ඩුවත් වග කියන්න ඕනි....
මොකද මෙතන තියෙන ප්රශ්නේ බැරෑරුම්කම ආණ්ඩුවට තේරෙන්නේ නෑ...
And MR did not implement 13A as promised. He held elections after 4 years and that too after indian pressure. So naturally it questions gover’s real motive and sincereity in implementing it. And MR has NO credibility in the eyes of international world including india. They don’t trust MR anymore. They would trust TNA and not MR. This is a situation MR created himself.
The reason MR did not implement it at first is because of stupid elements like you in gov. Had MR implemented it soon after war EPDP will have power in NPC giving us time to finish off TNA. But stupidity of MR made us lose that goldern opportunity.
They have already.
Lets see what they can. යු එන් එකෙන් සැන්ක්ෂන්ස් දාන්න බෑ..චීනෙයි රුසියාවයි නිසා....කියමු..නමුත් යුරෝපය, ඇමරිකාව අපිට වෙන වෙනම සැන්ක්ෂන්ස් දැම්මොත් ලංකාව ඉවරයි. මොකද අපේ ආර්ථිකය රැඳී පවතින්නේ ඒ රටවල් මත නිසා..අපේ බඩු චීනේ ගන්නේ නෑ...අනික ඇති තරම් ඇමරිකාවෙන් පෙළඹවීම් කළොත් චීනය අපිට උදව් කරන්නේ නෑ...ලංකාව හින්දා තමන්ගේ ඇමරිකාව එක්ක සම්බන්ධය කඩාගන්නේ මොකටද?
ඉන්දියාවත් දැම්මොත් මොකද කරන්නේ? එතකොට සුබ්රමනියම් සාමි පැත්තේවත් නැති වෙයි.
මහින්දයා ගොනා වගේ වැඩ කරලා මෙතෙන ලොකු ලේ වැගිරෙන සිද්ධියක් වුණොත් ඇති තරම් යූ එන් එකට මැදිහත් වෙන්න අවස්ථාව ලැබෙනවා...
ඉන්දියාව හවුල් වුණොත් චීනය මැදිහත් වෙන්නේ නෑ....
මහින්දට මොළේ කල්පනා කරලා තියෙන තත්වය විසඳගන්න තිබ්බා අගේට. ඒ හරකා ඒක කළේ නෑ...අරයා අපිව පරිස්සම් කරයි කියලා හිටියා....
And aren’t you ashamed to depend on others? Why makes our destiny depend on others? What if others don’t help? What are you going to do..
And remember in resolution against Russia regarding Ukraine, ලංකාව රුසියාවට විරුද්ධව ඡන්දය දුන්නා....ඇමරිකාවේ එක දා ගන්න!
තමුසේ හිතනවාද රුසියාව ඒවා බලන්නේ නෑ කියලා?
How is apart from 18th? Did unp bring 18? Wasn’t it MR? so how can you say ‘Apart from’?
If child rapists were in UNP what the hell UPFA did for 20 years and what the hell MR did for 9 years? Were they afraid of now powerless, obsolete UNP? Gonawala Sunil was Rajitha’s man not Ranil’s. And Rajitha was in MR gover all these years…why?
Akuressa PS chairman raped a child and later found out accused of raping 100+ women.. but MR and his gover did not act against it? When MR shield rapists, murderers, child molesters, and thugs to you seek justification from how UNP violated laws 20 years back? So if Ranil and UNP does wrong it is perfectly ok for MR and his fellas to repeat them and you don’t care what happen to this country?
Have you ever seen a ship and a bridge? Do you know the depth of the see in that region?
මැටි මෝලෝ පාලමක් හැදුවාට පස්සේ නැව් යන්න බෑ....අනික හදන්නේ පොඩි ඒවාවලට පවා යන්න බැරි දිහට.
What did you think such a bridge is? These are well protected areas and will give us chance to monitor SL-Ind sea border better. That is while generating foreign exchange. බයගුල්ලෙක් වෙලා රටක් කරන්න අමාරුයි. අනික පාලම එන්නේ මන්නාරමට, යාපනයට නෙමෙයි...එතකොට මන්නාරම අවට සිංහල මුස්ලිම් මිනිස්සු පදිංචි කරන්න ඕනි...එතකොට ප්රශ්න තවත් අඩුයි.
How is extending rail line, carpeting roads and building highways going to introduce only going to attract investment? Are you this much stupid? Read what I said against. I said infra development is good, but it will not give the edge to attract investments because production cost remains high….And stability and good governance is needed. MR has done everything to keep away investors from SL. That is the problem මැට්ටෝ!
ගිහින් බලනවා කොයි තරම් නම් ආයෝජන වෙනත් රටවලට ගලාගෙන එනවාද කියලා...ලංකාවට එකක් නෑ....වරායක් හදලා පාරවල් හදලා කට බලියං හිටියා කියලා හරියන්නේ නෑ....
i have tackeld with Norochcholai issue broadly and i see no response from Heinz to them and totally ignoring the post as he could not bear what is said there.
well ppl who love their country truly research a lot...
@Gibbs i hope you understand this...
@HeinzG , @Azizam
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I dunno mate. Bet they are not from good source though. There's some racket going on.
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So we can hazard a guess that it is not from SL itself.Every country in South Asia is the same saga. Lobby groups inside gov'ts looting the public.
BTW why isn't the SL gov't working on renewable energy.Your country do possess a mass potential in Hydro,tidal and wind energy.
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We do have hydro power plants and smaller number of wind plants but not tidal. However hydro and wind is not very dependable. So we need some back up for emergency. Diesel and now Coal power plants fills the gap now.
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Producing by diesel is quite costly as compared to coal.
BTW best of luck to the people of SL in the coming elections.
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Actually the most are heavy fuel power plants. Diesel is only used for the start and stop.
Apart from combined cycle ones, diesel plants are typically used for the peak loads.
These days, hydro plants are much reliable due to rainy season.
Let's see. That war has just begun.
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Ok, we already have a renewable energy expansion plan to raise it up to 20% of total generation by 2020.
Tidal power is not a viable solution yet. Even though, we have a 24000 MW wind potential in the island itself, the most are unusable. There are various completed and ongoing wind power projects from Puttalm to Mannar along the coastal regions.
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SL import coal from Indonesia
The said racket is apart from the official way of importing coal, a private company that has links to MR is importing low quality coal. And gover allows it to continue and supports it
In india when a mega scale corruption is revealed doesnt your media reveal everything? Do ppl in your country attempt to defend corruption and mismanagement with passion?
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If one thing we should give credit to our media for going after leaders irrespective of their popularity.
Is Sri Lanka's media actively supporting corruption?
Suprised to know.
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