Why pronounce Urdu words wrong on purpose to ape Bollywood accents

[Jaanbaz]

See you cant do that.

There is No particular place where you can Limit or award the language.

Actually you can, we Pakistanis have adopted Urdu as our first language, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[El Sidd]

Sahi ratta lagaya hay aapnay bhai. kamazkam aapnay ye to mana kay har zaban ''evolve'' hoti hay.

Haha lo Haar maan li hahaha

Mannay na mannay ki Kia baat hai. Aqal bhi yahi kehti hai.

Actually you can, we Pakistanis have adopted Urdu as our first language, there is nothing wrong with that.

For a reason

Stats tell a different story,
70-80% of total Urdu speakers globally are Indians,
Pakistanis might understand Urdu but there are very few having Urdu as mother tongue,

Again you are totally wrong when you say it has nothing to do with Indians,
Apart from some words/adjectives/vocabs entire sentence structure/ formation, grammar, verbs are taken from Hindi or Prakrit,

Hahaha i Love your Propaganda.

 

[Hamza913]

I have really noticed that offlately in Pakistani showbiz industry and even amongst common pakistanis pronuncing Urdu words wrongly and in Bollywood accents is becoming a fashion, despite the fact that pure Urdu accent sounds very refined in its sound and impact and feels classy. Also copying bollywood ;and mind it indians pronounce the words the way do due to their local accents or absence of some phonetic alphabets in hindi, most of the actors nowadays are seen pronouncing sound "KH" خ as "K-KHA" کھا

First video is of a popular Pakistani singer alicia diaz. While talking she pronounced word Khud as K-khud

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=108932159968027

Second clip is from trailer of a film released two days back. At first it looks its just a scene from film but the actor Ali kazmi shared backstory to it. During this scenes shoot sohai actually used word K-khaas which led to ali correcting her on the spot.The director liked the correction part so much that he chose to make it a part of film.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=108961706631739

Now this actress has been part of pakistan drama industry for last five six years and stars in lead roles. So now we are going to have people work in "Urdu" shows who despite being around for several ,6-7 years (same for above alicia) can not pronounce sound of KHAY correctly and have to say it bollywood style?

Learn to speak proper Urdu or just learn malayalam if its so hard to utter urdu words correctly. Terrible part is its not just the showbiz people now , common pakistanis are also following suit.

Asalamu Alaikum

I'm just happy my mother was and still is very strict about this issue, she only wanted me to speak pure Urdu.

@Ocean Pakistan has been culturally conquered. It has been a while now to be honest. Women from upper middle and elite class even apply bhindi when dressing up for wedding functions.

If someone in my family did that I would literally disown them.

I hate to burst your bubble - but both Hindi and Urdu are from Central India. Of course it is great that Pakistanis speak good Urdu. Bollywood speaks a dialect called Hindustani.

Back then it was ruled by Muslims, so that objection is invalid.

Bollywood speaks some butchered version that looks like a bunch of squiggles and sounds even worse.

 

[t_for_talli]

Haha lo Haar maan li hahaha

Mannay na mannay ki Kia baat hai. Aqal bhi yahi kehti hai.



For a reason



Hahaha i Love your Propaganda.

Prove me wrong, I can list credible sources to support my claim,

 

[El Sidd]

Prove me wrong, I can list credible sources to support my claim,

I dont need to

 

[t_for_talli]

I dont need to

then accept facts based on actual data points and move on.......

 

[El Sidd]

then accept facts based on actual data points and move on.......

Why?

I dont need to accept it either

 

[Jackdaws]

By that logic even Latin has Sanskrit origin.

Humans have enough Information nowadays to say all human languages evolved from one first language.

You cant pick and choose your narrative



Qayamat ka concept khatam hojaega

Certainly Inuit has nothing to do with Sanskrit. Don't argue for the heck of it. I guess you can to reinforce your beliefs or you can have an open mind.

 

[TMA]

That's the case everywhere in the world, written and refined language of elite is always slightly different to how a common man speaks. Its hard to convince Pakistanis though, they have attached Islam with Urdu, the moment you mention Urdu & Hindi are actually separate dialects not languages you get insulted by being called a kafir or Indian agent. Do Pakistanis know that there are millions of native Hindu Urdu Speakers in India too?

Well the difference between "common Urdu" and "refined Urdu" is a lot more than between common English and refined English. Indeed I would say that "common Urdu" should be called Hindustani and "refined Urdu" just Urdu.
As Urdu is refined dialect of Hindustani.

Most people don't speak Urdu in Pakistan anymore, maybe once upon a time they did...sometimes when I visit Pakistan and use words, they look at me weird...once I used the word siyah and the shop owner understood it but said to me you are from abroad, as everyone now says black, not even kala.

Regarding Islam and Urdu, true that people have associated Islam and Urdu together in the Subcontinent. This is not a bad thing as there is a lot of Islamic literature in this language and Islam came to the Subcontinent via the Persian language which is closer to Urdu than Hindi. As long as people realise that Hindi is not "evil" and that Islam can be taught in any language and is for every language speaker. But Pakistan's language is Urdu (dialect) so this should be promoted over Hindi (dialect). Pakistan should teach Persian and Arabic as well as it will help people understand Urdu better....you will not realise how much my urdu comprehension has improved after taking arabic classes for Quran...

Also the Urdu dialect is older than the Hindi dialect, I think that when the British ruled, the followers of Vedic Dharm wanted to make Hindustani their own language (as it evolved under the auspices of the Persianized Dehli sultanate) and so they incorporated a lot of sanskrit into Hindustani and made Hindi.

 

[El Sidd]

Certainly Inuit has nothing to do with Sanskrit. Don't argue for the heck of it. I guess you can to reinforce your beliefs or you can have an open mind.

Oh dear Lord the irony

 

[Hamza913]

It is not a question of numbers - it is a question of where the language originated. Americans speak English; that doesn't mean it didn't originate in England.
We are happy one of our many languages is flourishing in Pakistan. But except for a small minority of Pakistanis who migrated to Pak from present day India - it is not a native language of its residents.

Regarding breeding like Easter bunnies - let me know the latest fertility rate numbers.

It's not the native language of Hindustanis, it was made by the Muslim conquerors, which makes it ours (the Muslims of South Asia):


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3163234

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19809480

"Overall, our results support a model according to which the spread of Islam in India was predominantly cultural conversion associated with minor but still detectable levels of gene flow from outside, primarily from Iran and Central Asia"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20067368

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both (Sunni and Shia) Muslim populations"

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009168

"Altogether, haplogroups restricted to the Indian Subcontinent were observed at an average frequency of 63% in Indian Muslim populations as compared with 74% among the non-Muslim neighbors. The average contribution of haplogroups of West Eurasian origin to Indian Muslims was 18%, which is not significantly higher than the value observed in non-Muslim populations (14%)"

"The sub-Saharan African- and Arabian-specific paternal lineages E1b1b1a and J*(xJ2) were present in three Muslim populations (Indian Shia, Indian Sunni and Mappla) with an average frequency of 2 and 8%, respectively, whereas they were rare or absent among non-Muslim populations. Haplogroup G, which is common in the Middle East and rare or absent in Indian non-Muslim populations, was also present in three Muslim populations with an average overall frequency of 5%."

"The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive"

 

[TMA]

Stats tell a different story,
70-80% of total Urdu speakers globally are Indians,
Pakistanis might understand Urdu but there are very few having Urdu as mother tongue,

Again you are totally wrong when you say it has nothing to do with Indians,
Apart from some words/adjectives/vocabs entire sentence structure/ formation, grammar, verbs are taken from Hindi or Prakrit,

No taken from Hindustani which evolved under the Persianized Dehli sultanate and the refined dialect of Hindustani is Urdu. The Hindi dialect came into being later when the followers of the Vedic Dharm wanted to make Hindustani their own and added in a lot of Sanskrit words. But true Dehli sultanate headquarters are in what is now Bharat not Pakistan. . . and true most Pakistanis don't have Urdu as their mother tongue...

You know most Pakistanis don't speak Urdu, they just think they do, rather they speak Hindustani. If they were to go and learn Urdu literature then they would know...Go and read Iqbal and you would know....
and in Punjab they speak a mash up of Punjabi and Hindustani and call it Urdu...madness....

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

150 years later there's still a debate going on where Urdu originated from. Does it matter ? Everyone speaks their own verdion of Urdu. And I do sort of agree that I've seen some celebrities speak the "India version" of Urdu with the hard K, who the hell cares ? I can believe how stuck up people are about culture over here. Culture isn't stagnant. No you won't "lose" culture simply by wearing western clothing or speaking in an Indian accent (cringey but whatever).

You type in the English language, your phone was mass produced in China and designed in Korea, your car is Japanese, the food you eat has Indian influence, your religion is Arabic but YOU are Pakistani. Stop making a big deal out of non-issues.

 

[Hamza913]

Didn't answer my question about fertility rates. Anyways.

Had to find a Pakistani source to correct you since you would ridicule an Indian source -
https://www.dawn.com/news/681263/urdus-origin-its-not-a-camp-language

"Urdu nouns and adjective can have a variety of origins, such as Arabic, Persian, Turkish, Pushtu and even Portuguese, but ninety-nine per cent of Urdu verbs have their roots in Sanskrit/Prakrit."
99%.

Do the math.

Hahaha, what a load of crap.

Just look at the script Urdu is written in FGS, does it look like Sanskrit to you?

Stats tell a different story,
70-80% of total Urdu speakers globally are Indians,
Pakistanis might understand Urdu but there are very few having Urdu as mother tongue,

Again you are totally wrong when you say it has nothing to do with Indians,
Apart from some words/adjectives/vocabs entire sentence structure/ formation, grammar, verbs are taken from Hindi or Prakrit,

It was made by the Muslims who ruled the region, it's ours not yours. End of story.

 

[Jackdaws]

It's not the native language of Hindustanis, it was made by the Muslim conquerors, which makes it ours (the Muslims of South Asia):


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3163234

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19809480

"Overall, our results support a model according to which the spread of Islam in India was predominantly cultural conversion associated with minor but still detectable levels of gene flow from outside, primarily from Iran and Central Asia"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20067368

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both (Sunni and Shia) Muslim populations"

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009168

"Altogether, haplogroups restricted to the Indian Subcontinent were observed at an average frequency of 63% in Indian Muslim populations as compared with 74% among the non-Muslim neighbors. The average contribution of haplogroups of West Eurasian origin to Indian Muslims was 18%, which is not significantly higher than the value observed in non-Muslim populations (14%)"

"The sub-Saharan African- and Arabian-specific paternal lineages E1b1b1a and J*(xJ2) were present in three Muslim populations (Indian Shia, Indian Sunni and Mappla) with an average frequency of 2 and 8%, respectively, whereas they were rare or absent among non-Muslim populations. Haplogroup G, which is common in the Middle East and rare or absent in Indian non-Muslim populations, was also present in three Muslim populations with an average overall frequency of 5%."

"The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive"

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Hahaha, what a load of crap.

Just look at the script Urdu is written in FGS, does it look like Sanskrit to you?



It was made by the Muslims who ruled the region, it's ours not yours. End of story.

You do realize scripts and languages are 2 different things, right?

Nah - it is an Indian language adopted by Pakistanis. And that's perfectly fine. The genesis of 1971 was because of imposition of Urdu on East Pakistanis. West Pakistanis were fine with accepting an Indian language, East Pakistanis were not.