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India includes Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians... So its an Indian Languages

Mughals are not from Pakistan region, so they are not your people,
It was made by people who came from West Asia, settled in India, became Indian and contributed to art, culture, the literature of Indian region,
Stop using your inclusive bullshit argument.

The reality is Pakistan can claim the Mughals more than India can.

India can claim the Gupta dynasty for all I care for.
 
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India includes Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians... So its an Indian Languages

Mughals are not from Pakistan region, so they are not your people,
It was made by people who came from West Asia, settled in India, became Indian and contributed to art, culture, the literature of Indian region,

We have always considered ourselves different from you people, and many of us left in Hindustan still do (e.g have their own laws, don't drink from the same utensils as other Hindustanis, won't marry other Hindustanis, study at their own school, etc).

Mughals were in Pakistan long before Hindustan, and Akbar (the one who made the Mughal empire what it was) came from Sindh. Shah Jahan also came from Lahore, and Lahore itself has more Mughal monuments than Delhi. Their languages were Urdu/Farsi, the former of which is Pakistan's national language, and the latter of which is the language of our national anthem as well as the language of many of our prominent posts such as Iqbal. We are also descended from these Islamic conquerors, unlike you guys (I've given ample proof in numerous posts of mine).

The Mughals were Muslims of the sub-continent who did not view themselves as the same as the Hindustanis, spoke Urdu, ate qeema and wore Shalwar Kameez. If that's not Pakistani I don't know what is.
 
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We have always considered ourselves different from you people, and many of us left in Hindustan still do (e.g have their own laws, don't drink from the same utensils as other Hindustanis, won't marry other Hindustanis, study at their own school, etc).

Mughals were in Pakistan long before Hindustan, and Akbar (the one who made the Mughal empire what it was) came from Sindh. Shah Jahan also came from Lahore, and Lahore itself has more Mughal monuments than Delhi. Their languages were Urdu/Farsi, the former of which is Pakistan's national language, and the latter of which is the language of our national anthem as well as the language of many of our prominent posts such as Iqbal. We are also descended from these Islamic conquerors, unlike you guys (I've given ample proof in numerous posts of mine).

The Mughals were Muslims of the sub-continent who did not view themselves as the same as the Hindustanis, spoke Urdu, ate qeema and wore Shalwar Kameez. If that's not Pakistani I don't know what is.

whatever you say, actual statistics/ ground reality is different, you can go on with your narrative but the official figures tell a different story

Language 2008 estimate 1998 census Areas of Predominance
1 Punjabi 76,367,360 44.17% 58,433,431 44.15% Punjab
2 Pashto 26,692,890 15.44% 20,408,621 15.42% Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
3 Sindhi 24,410,910 14.12% 18,661,571 14.10% Rural Sindh
4 Saraiki 18,019,610 10.42% 13,936,594 10.53% Punjab
5 Urdu 13,120,540 7.59% 10,019,576 7.57% Urban Sindh and urban Pakistan
6 Balochi 6,204,540 3.59% 4,724,871 3.57% Balochistan

only 10 million Pakistanis have Urdu as mother tongue, and 70-80 million Indians have Urdu as mother tongue,
 
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whatever you say, actual statistics/ ground reality is different, you can go on with your narrative but the official figures tell a different story

Language 2008 estimate 1998 census Areas of Predominance
1 Punjabi 76,367,360 44.17% 58,433,431 44.15% Punjab
2 Pashto 26,692,890 15.44% 20,408,621 15.42% Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
3 Sindhi 24,410,910 14.12% 18,661,571 14.10% Rural Sindh
4 Saraiki 18,019,610 10.42% 13,936,594 10.53% Punjab
5 Urdu 13,120,540 7.59% 10,019,576 7.57% Urban Sindh and urban Pakistan
6 Balochi 6,204,540 3.59% 4,724,871 3.57% Balochistan

only 10 million Pakistanis have Urdu as mother tongue, and 70-80 million Indians have Urdu as mother tongue,

And how many of them are Muslim? Also, it doesn't change the fact that our people (South Asian Muslims) are the ones who made the language. So this is just another example of you guys trying to steal our achievements.
 
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And how many of them are Muslim? Also, it doesn't change the fact that our people (South Asian Muslims) are the ones who made the language. So this is just another example of you guys trying to steal our achievements.
Muslim or not, out of 100, 80 million Urdu speakers are Indians
There is nothing call out people, your people moved across the border in 47, those who chose to stay are Indians,

So the real facts are
- Urdu was developed in UP/ Delhi region
- It was used by people who at that time stayed in Indian region
- Out of 100 Million Urdu speakers, 80 Million are Indians, 10 Million are Pakistani and 10 Million spread across the globe,
- Urdu News Paper circulation in India is 40 Million+ (at third position after Hindi and English), greater than complete circulation in Pakistan (all languages combined)

You are free to believe whatever your delusional world, but the reality is different
 
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Muslim or not, out of 100, 80 million Urdu speakers are Indians
There is nothing call out people, your people moved across the border in 47, those who chose to stay are Indians,

So the real facts are
- Urdu was developed in UP/ Delhi region
- It was used by people who at that time stayed in Indian region
- Out of 100 Million Urdu speakers, 80 Million are Indians, 10 Million are Pakistani and 10 Million spread across the globe,
- Urdu News Paper circulation in India is 40 Million+ (at third position after Hindi and English), greater than complete circulation in Pakistan (all languages combined)

You are free to believe whatever your delusional world, but the reality is different

Muslim or not is VERY relevant, that language did not come from pure bred Hindustanis, it came from Muslims who migrated to the region. We are not the same people, and since Urdu came from us, that completely shatters any claim you may think you have to it.

Your Urdu statistics are purely number based, ever considered viewing it through percentages? Aggregate numbers is a poor measure since there are several times more for you than there are of us. The percentage of Pakistanis speaking Urdu in their first language is 8%, how does your country compare?

Don't be silly, we came, conquered and now you are trying to act like us while simultaneously slandering us. It's comical.
 
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Urdu is not even native to Pakistan which Pakistanis are wailing and moaning to claim . Putting lipstick on a pig won't make it Mona Lisa. Urdu will always be a foreign language which is Native to *some mohajirs* who migrated to Pakistan rest are the result of cross graft over generations.

Don't be silly, we came, conquered and now you are trying to act like us while simultaneously slandering us. It's comical.

Which we ? Arab? Mongol ? Turk or Iranian? . Matter of fact will be always be that you are none no matter how hard you cry.
 
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Don't be silly, we came, conquered and now you are trying to act like us while simultaneously slandering us. It's comical.

Again silly claim, I guess you like getting humiliated again and again, Please do some research before posting crap
Everyone knows who remained a slave to rules from east or west,

here is a myth buster for you, time lines of the rulers of Pakistan

Now if you look at the history of the land called Pakistan (rulers of land)

Mauryas, pre Ashoka (~300 BC , Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Mauryas, Post Ashoka (~260 BC, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Indo/ Greek Kingdom (~150 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Indo/ Scythians (~55 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Kushans (~50-300 AD, Ruler Origin : Afgan/ Cuntral Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Huns (~350 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Guptas (~400 AD, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Huns (~500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism

Gazanivids (~1000 AD,Ruler Origin : Turk, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Ghaurids (~1200 AD,Ruler Origin : Persian, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Delhi Sultanate(~1200-1450 AD, Ruler Origin : Turkic, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Moughls (~1500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Durrani and Sikh Empires (~1700 AD, Ruler Origin : Sikhs (India), Durranis (Afgans) , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

British (~1850 AD, Ruler Origin : Europeans , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

Pakistanis ( After 1947 AD, Ruler Origin : Pakistani , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam)

People of the land call Pakistan adopted whatever was imposed by foreign invaders in last 2000 years,
Only time when Pakistanis ruled Pakistan Lands happened after independence (1947)
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Again silly claim, I guess you like getting humiliated again and again, Please do some research before posting crap
Everyone knows who remained a slave to rules from east or west,

here is a myth buster for you, time lines of the rulers of Pakistan

Now if you look at the history of the land called Pakistan (rulers of land)

Mauryas, pre Ashoka (~300 BC , Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Mauryas, Post Ashoka (~260 BC, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Indo/ Greek Kingdom (~150 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Indo/ Scythians (~55 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Kushans (~50-300 AD, Ruler Origin : Afgan/ Cuntral Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Huns (~350 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Guptas (~400 AD, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Huns (~500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism

Gazanivids (~1000 AD,Ruler Origin : Turk, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Ghaurids (~1200 AD,Ruler Origin : Persian, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Delhi Sultanate(~1200-1450 AD, Ruler Origin : Turkic, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Moughls (~1500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Durrani and Sikh Empires (~1700 AD, Ruler Origin : Sikhs (India), Durranis (Afgans) , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

British (~1850 AD, Ruler Origin : Europeans , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

Pakistanis ( After 1947 AD, Ruler Origin : Pakistani , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam)

People of the land call Pakistan adopted whatever was imposed by foreign invaders in last 2000 years,
Only time when Pakistanis ruled Pakistan Lands happened after independence (1947)
cjz_OFETO3m5kXrZelEXAPmS4aPxUcvhkhqprR2TDpzQYmHRAthUNNhQPYCCF3YpnUOQZwX_CIi4Ouvhp1ddHQFC8tT444UkS7tTIEuVYG4vni-gujLTTbz17g=s0-d-e1-ft

Hahaha, what stupid crap.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3163234

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19809480

"Overall, our results support a model according to which the spread of Islam in India was predominantly cultural conversion associated with minor but still detectable levels of gene flow from outside, primarily from Iran and Central Asia"


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20067368

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009168

"Altogether, haplogroups restricted to the Indian Subcontinent were observed at an average frequency of 63% in Indian Muslim populations as compared with 74% among the non-Muslim neighbors The average contribution of haplogroups of West Eurasian origin to Indian Muslims was 18%, which is not significantly higher than the value observed in non-Muslim populations (14%). "

"The sub-Saharan African- and Arabian-specific paternal lineages E1b1b1a and J*(xJ2) were present in three Muslim populations (Indian Shia, Indian Sunni and Mappla) with an average frequency of 2 and 8%, respectively, whereas they were rare or absent among non-Muslim populations. Haplogroup G, which is common in the Middle East and rare or absent in Indian non-Muslim populations, was also present in three Muslim populations with an average overall frequency of 5%."


Many of the the major foreign conquerors prior to Islam settled within Pakistan and influenced our gene pool significantly, this includes the Greeks, Kushans, Hephtalites, Scythians, Parthians, etc. This is displayed by our significantly higher levels of Eurasian DNA as compared to you guys (see previous picture for proof). Many tribes are also said to be descended from these groups, such as the Kalash, Burusho, Gujjars, Durranis, Jats, etc.

As for the Muslim conquerors, again, they have also quite clearly influenced the gene pool of Muslims in the region. What's more, their cultural influence has been immense, we eat their food, wear their clothes, speak their language, etc.

To put the final nail in the coffin, let's go through those empires you listed:

Mauryans - Kautilya came from Taxila and Chandragupta Maurya also studied there. The empire had many soldiers from modern day Pakistan, and the empire started in Pakistan. The Mauryans also had KPK ancestry (their name comes form the Mor clan of ancient KPK).

Gupta's - Came from Bangladesh, they aren't Hindustani.

Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Kushans - Their major cities were based in Pakistan (most notably Peshawar and Taxila, among others), and we are descended from them as explained earlier. Not to mention Huns, Kushans and Scythians were mostly Iranic confederations, this is the same racial classification as Pashtuns and Baluchis, and many Pakistanis have ancestry or belong to these ethnic groups (I've got partial Baluchi ancestry).

Ghaznavids and Ghurids - Lahore was their winter capital and 2nd largest city, they also had many Punjabis and Pashtuns fight in their military and work in their administration, and we are also descended from them as explained earlier. Also, KPK/FATA and Baluchistan were historically considered part of Afghanistan, and Baluchis/Pashtuns are Iranic people just like the Ghurids.

Delhi Sultanate - We are descended from the Muslim conquerors who came to the region. Also, the Khilijis were Pashtuns (they are still to this day a major Pashtun tribal confederacy), the Tughlaqs came from the Punjab and intermarried with ethnic Punjabis, and the Lodi's were Pashtuns from the Punjab who intermarried with ethnic Punjabis. The Delhi Sultanate also invented Urdu. The Delhi Sultanate also came to Pakistan before Hindustan.

Mughals - They had assimilated into local culture almost immediately, and intermarried frequently with local Rajputs. Lahore was also a major city of their empire with more Mughal monuments than Delhi, and Shah Jahan and Akbar came from modern day Pakistan. We eat their food and wear their clothes, Urdu matured under their empire and was the language they spoke (along with Farsi), we are also descended from them. The Mughals were also in Pakistan before they entered Hindustan.

Durranis - They were Pashtuns, and KPK/FATA along with Baluchistan were historically associated with Afghanistan. Abdali was also born in Multan, and Peshawar was a major city of the empire. The Durranis are also a major Pashtun tribal confederation in Pakistan.

Sikhs - They were Punjabi, and came from modern day Pakistan.

To sum up: We are a mixed people, descended from many foreigners who came to our lands and assimilated into our fold, but the ones we most identify with are the Islamic conquerors since they are the reason our nation exists today, and were ideologically the most similar to us.




Which we ? Arab? Mongol ? Turk or Iranian? . Matter of fact will be always be that you are none no matter how hard you cry.

See previous post you dumb ape.

Also, by we I meant Muslims. As a close minded Hindustani who will not accept anyone from outside his country (to the point of denying the Indo-Aryan migration) and who's mind revolves around race whilst simultaneously not following an ideology that extends beyond his own borders (Dharma), I wouldn't expect you to understand why Muslims consider Muslims of other ethnic groups as one of their own.
 
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Old Urdu name was Hindavi. It seems Urdu lies in the middle of Persian and Hindi. And you can tip the balance towards one of them. This is also Urdu ghazal, I would like Hindi speakers to tell me how much of it they understand. I doubt many Pakistanis speak most of these words in their common speak.

I don't know why Pakistanis mess up 'kh' sound, Wouldn't they supposed to have learn't Urdu at school?
 
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I wouldn't expect you to understand why Muslims consider Muslims of other ethnic groups as one of their own.

No matter how much a yelping dog consider himself a wolf he never will be one.
 
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No matter how much a yelping dog consider himself a wolf he never will be one.

You should definitely use that advice, no matter how much you bark about being the next galactic power, you will always be living in our shadow and forced to steal our achievements and claim them as your own.
 
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You should definitely use that advice, no matter how much you bark about being the next galactic power, you will always be living in our shadow and forced to steal our achievements and claim them as your own.

LOL , how easy it was to deconstruct your entire argument . None of your wailing and yelping will make you a Turk or Mongol or Arab or Iranian .
 
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LOL , how easy it was to deconstruct your entire argument . None of your wailing and yelping will make you a Turk or Mongol or Arab or Iranian .

Never said we are Turks, Arabs or Iranians, but we do have Turkic, Arabic and Iranic (especially the last one) ancestry. I've given clear cut evidence, only beings with inferior intelligence such as yourself would reject it.
 
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I've given clear cut evidence, only beings with inferior intelligence such as yourself would reject it.
Lol. You know what inferiority complex actually is? A person drooling over internet whole day obsessed with genes finding ways to prove of having a miniscule percentage of DNA with certain people while completely ignoring other major chunk of DNA.
 
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